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Old Aug 18, 2013, 2:36 pm
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For details of suitable hotels for those doing a last flight/first flight turnaround, please see this thread:
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Order: Back-to-back Transfer Landside Notes
[so Excellent for back to back usually means an easy airside transfer with few risks]
ABZ: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
ACE: Reasonable if off season, there is a transfer channel just before passports Reasonable Reasonable
AGP: Excellent for Schengen, Risky if not. Schengen - immediate turnaround possible at gate area. Non-Schengen - There is a transit passageway back to airside on the left after passports, but there can be long delays at passports, achievable if you are willing to politely push in the queue.
see here.
ALC: Reasonable if off season, but you do need to go fully airside if non Schengen. Small and efficient airport. Peak time: see here.
ALG: Impractical due to visa and immigration processes. See post 2224.
AMS: Excellent Excellent Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
ANE: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk. You may want to telephone the airport to let them know since there's no OLCI facility.
ARN: Excellent Good Reasonable (arriving pax should watch for sign to gates 70-82) * see posts 593, 238 & 1298 for more details.
ATH: Reasonable but don't hang about, you need to enter Schengen immigration, then leave Schengen, and a fairly efficient security check. Distances aren't great.
BCN: Good to excellent - bit of a walk - small flight connection facility to the left of passport control, dedicated security but no passports Good if non-Schengen, Reasonable if Schengen Reasonable
BGO: Excellent Excellent Excellent, borderline foolproof though only restricted number of flights Arrivals decant into departure hall.
BHD: Excellent - use stairs upwards between gates 5 and 6, against flow Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable
BIO: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
BIQ: Reasonable, involves going through passports to landside, security and passports again, but you need to be off early since passport checks are thorough.
BJV: Not really feasible, there is no online check-in or App facility, you must check in at the gate.
BOD: Reasonable but does involve going landside and back again. However it's a small airport and efficient.
BLL: Good (there is a clear transfer route after passport control to avoid a security check Good Good
BLQ: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable (bus gates)
BRI: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable
BSL: Good Good Good (Bit of a walk to landside, but it's not a huge airport. See this post for info).
BRU: Excellent on the transfer route, reasonable if not Reasonable Poor (see comments in post #246, also 64 onwards)
CAG: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
CDG: Hopeless
CFU: Near impossible, no OLCI, you must present yourself at check-in. Process involves bus, passports, out to landside, short walk to departures building on right, security and bus. Security is bad on peak days.
CGN: No OLCI, but on some dates it is still possible. See this post for details.
CHQ: Near impossible despite being a small airport, no OLCI so you can only get a boarding pass at the airport, and bus to and from gates.
CMB: Easy to do airside. Arriving and departing pax are not segregated. If you have your return boarding pass, just walk directly from arrival gate to departure gate.
CMF: Generally Good, involves going landside. Best avoid Saturdays, the main changeover day, when security is stretched.
CPH: Excellent Good Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
CTA: Reasonable, there is a transfer route signed but seems obsolete. However small and efficient airport so still do-able if going via landside.
DBV: Impractical - there's no online check in here, you have to go landside and collect a boarding pass. Otherwise a very small airport.
DUB: Good (if ex-LHR), Reasonable if ex-LCY (quicker plane turnaround) Good if Common Travel Area, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable May require passing security, so Fast Track helps. See this post for a photo guide. (As of June 2017 increased risk due to pax segregation at 200 gates and ongoing building work)
DUS: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate, though risk of bus to baggage hall.
EDI: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally, risk of bus to baggage hall.
EGC: Impractical. Bergerac has its own check-in system and is currently not on App/OLCI, so boarding passes must be obtained in person, no later than 45 minutes before departure.
FCO: Reasonable (return shuttle to main terminal) Reasonable Reasonable
FDH: Impractical due to delays during ski season - see here.
FLR: Poor due to use of bus transfers and airport layout Poor - no transfer track Reasonable
FNC: Reasonable due to small airport and long turnarounds. You do need to go landside and return to airside. Note high risk of weather related diversions. Bus from aircraft, passports, security, passports, walk to aircraft.
FRA: Reasonable to Poor Poor (particularly if coming off Schengen) Reasonable
FSC: Uncertain - if boarding passes can be issued in advance then it will be an easy landside transfer in a tiny airport. If boarding passes can only be collected in FSC then it's impossible.
FUE: Reasonable if out of the peak season, airbridges used. Have to go via passports landside and security, behind check in. Try Canaries+Families security if desperate.
GIB: Good Good Good Must go landside, bearing right and back up through security. Turnaround can be long. Leave the aircraft early so as to beat the queue at passport arrivals.
GLA: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
GNB: Good Good Good: Walk to/from aircraft. Must go landside, outside and right back into departures. Long turnaround times make this feasible though Saturdays busy.
GOA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable
GOT: Excellent Excellent Excellent Borderline foolproof. Arrivals decant into departure hall.
GVA: Excellent Good Good (but can be poor during ski season) Turn left in arrival lane to go back up to departures area.
HAJ: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate. See posts 1670 and 1671 below.
HAM: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall, though sometimes bus to baggage hall.
HEL: Good Good Reasonable Incoming passengers can reverse direction just before Schengen passports. If a bus from gate, you will need to rush.
HER: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, it's a bus transfer and arrivals / departures are in separate buildings.
INN: Good Good Good - you have to go landside, and there is a bus transfer to/from the aircraft, but the airport is very small and highly efficient.
INV: Good to Excellent Good Good - you have to go landside and through security. See here for more info.
IOM: Good Good Good (no flight connections but small airport)
IST: Good (visa not required) Good Poor (also note you may need to buy a visa as a result of going landside). More details in this post.
JER: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall, sometimes you need to double back to the BA lounge.
JMK: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.
JTR: Impossible: bus transfer, slow passports.
KEF: Excellent Excellent if non Schengen, Good otherwise Good BA flights tip arriving passengers into the departure gate. Foolproof. NB LCY flights pax use a bus from a remote stand, still easy as dropped off less than 100M from the departure gate.
KLX: Moderately risky due to boarding passes only being issued at check-in. No buses used normally, walk off plane straight into very small building.
LBA: Good Good Good have to go landside for any connection or b2b but small airport, see here for further details
LCA: Good Good Reasonable There is a "Connecting Flights" channel on the left of the arrivals corridor, half way along, well before passports.
LEI: Moderate to risky: you have to go via landside, and you need the return boarding pass before travel. But it's a small and efficient airport. No buses are used, it's similar to LCY in operation.
LHR T3: Good Good Reasonable Follow connecting flights route, which can be as quick as 11 mins from disembark to through security. No conformance unlike T5.
see here.
LIG: Good to Excellent Good Reasonable See this post for more information
LIS: Good Good Reasonable There is a security check to the right, immediately before and avoiding the passport desks. Risk of bus gates, but still OK.
LIN: Good Good Reasonable to Poor (bus gates)
LPA: Possibly OK if off peak. Some flights are bus gates, but it's a relatively small and efficient airport. OLCI and App check in both work.
LUX: Very Good Good Good Borderline excellent, no known fatalities. Landside route is described here: Airside transfer door described here.
MAD: Very good Good to Reasonable depending on arriving terminal Reasonable See this post for full details.
MAH: Good to excellent, see post number 563.
MAN: Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor
MCT: Excellent - direct transfer route [ ] [ ].
MJV: Good Good Good provided you avoid a peak time More information here.
MLA: Good Good Good This this post and linked blog for details.
MRS: Good Good Good There is a transfer and security point just before going down to passports. Use the phone on the post to ask for it to be opened it for you; however, there is no guarantee that it will and you may have to exit to landside and re-enter through departures security.
MUC: Very good Good but note 2 terminals Good Transfer point after passport, details in this post
MXP: Good - bit of walk to Transfer facility Good Good Thread links here.
NCE: Reasonable Poor Good [There is a direct transfer route by turning into the door way on the right before the slope up to passports]
NCL: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall.
NTE: Good Good Good see this post.
NUE: Impractical unfortunately due to no OLCI, all check in done at the airport
OLB: Excellent Excellent Excellent Arriving into Olbia is via jetty to the departure gate, no passports or security. Note no OLCI via the App, more info here.
ORK: Good, do need to clear passports and security but very small and efficient airport.
ORY: No recommended due to fast turnarounds on LCY services. You have to go fully landside and back in again, via 2 passport checks and a security check.
OPO: Excellent [Look for grey escalator going up] Good (reasonable if Schengen) Reasonable
OTP: Excellent as at April 2019. Poor as of 29 Dec 18, see post #2660 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30586858-post2660.html.
Excellent - See post #1919 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29017017-post1919.htmlGood - look for Connection facility on right after leaving aircraft Reasonable Poor (can be Good if all everything works)
OSL: Good on the whole Reasonable Reasonable (See experiences in this post, this post, this post and this post.)
OVD: Not really suitable. This is really an Iberia Express route but leaves T5 under BA code. The aircraft is based in OVD not LHR. Small efficient airport though.
PFO: Good on the whole, but you do need to go landside. However it is a small airport. May not be so good on a busy Saturday during school holidays. Note bus transfers however.
PMO: Airport is currently being rebuilt. Once completed potentially a good option due to airbridge. Departure security is two floors above arrivals (use lift)
PMI: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof - you are landed direct into boarding area.
PRG: Excellent ?? ?? For back-to-back the LHR-PRG arrival dumps you right into the main corridor of that pier; walk 100 ft. to security check for the BA boarding lounge and you'll be good to go.
PSA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable (not the best location since there are a lot of LCC and you have to reclear security from landside). (August 2018 review and comment)
PUY: Unrealistic, due to the bus transfer process followed by passport control.
RAK: Terrible Unknown See post #1353 below
RHO: Infeasible - no OLCI or App check in, bus transfers from gates. Also airport very busy on Saturday PM and Sunday AM.
RTM: Good Good Good (Reasonable during morning/evening peaks)
SEZ: Excellent, use the Transit desk at the right side of the immigration hall, opposite end to passport control, see this post.
SKG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable but note bus transfers on apron.
SOF: Excellent Excellent Reasonable arrivals decant into departure area.
SPU: Reasonable but there is a bus transfer and then landside Reasonable but transfer routes seems to be from Star Alliance Reasonable
STR: Reasonable - stairs from baggage hall back to security. Can't avoid security/passports Reasonable Reasonable Report here.
SVG: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof, though only restricted number of flights
SVQ: Reasonable but need to exit landside and go up through departures, security. and passports is by the gate. Compact airport, fast security even if queuing.
SZG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable no transfer channel and note bus transfers, but small airport.
TFS: Reasonable but in all cases involves going landside. May be tricky to reclear security in peak holiday season.
TIA: Probably impractical. There is a bus transfer process and passport checks/stamps takes a while (Albania isn't in the EU).
TLL: Very good Good Reasonable see this post.
TLV: At your own risk. There is a transfer route with security on the way to passport control just after the rotunda.
TNG: No transfer or B2B route. Have to pass immigration, customs and security again. Airport is tiny (think 10 flights a day) and B2B is perfectly doable provided no problems at immigration.
TRN: Reasonable to Good Good Reasonable No short cuts to avoid going landside via passports x2 and security, apart from Fast Track security, but a small and efficient airport.
TXL: Good - security takes place in limited area by arriving gate Good Good Security is at gates, if using A gates. NB: Currently, this usually includes LCY flights, which now mostly use A gates like LHR flights.
UIP: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk.
VCE: Very good Good at offpeak times Reasonable See this post for details
VIE: Excellent (BEWARE see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29579878-post2190.html ) Good Reasonable
VLC: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go via landside. Departures is straight up from the arrival point. Disagree with the previous two sentences. For me, a direct turnaround from gates 12-14 was possible without going landside. Took less than a minute.
VNO: Excellent Good Reasonable arriving passengers enter departing passenger area. [BA have codeshare and also has TP Run options via AY]
VRN: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go landside but it's a very small airport and there is Fast Track.
WAW: Good - small connection facility on left after airbridge Good Reasonable
ZAG: Very good Good Reasonable ask to use the International Transfer channel on the left side of the passport hall, you need a boarding pass/App. NOTE: New terminal just opened, so this info needs updating.
ZRH: Generally good but see this post and the replies for more information.
ZTH: Infeasible due to buses and no online check-in possibilities. Somewhat unfortunate given the small airport. No transfer route, you must enter Schengen and go to landside.

Excellent generally means you will leave the aircraft and find yourself in the boarding area for departure. Good suggests that you may have to clear either security and / or passports before reboarding, but it should still be possible.

Two caveats:
A) Sometimes things don't go to plan. E.g. EDI sometimes uses buses, which puts passengers landside and thus needing to reclear security. Ditto HAM.
B) The above needs to be combined with the turnaround time. MXP often has a generous back-to-back time, for example.

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Back-to-back / Immediate Turnarounds at BA Destinations

Old Aug 15, 2018, 3:03 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I have been there on the first Saturday morning flight. It was relatively quiet at immigration and at security so I really don't think you will have an issue. I don't see there being any issue if your inbound is late, the outbound will be late too and you can easily get around before they have offloaded all outbound passengers.
thanks Karfa. Think Ill pull the trigger, get the necessary TP run in early in my year!
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Old Aug 18, 2018, 11:53 am
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Report on Pisa

So, just done my turn in Pisa and am sitting on aircraft.

Some commentary to help future consideration.

It is doable. IF you take a b2b at a quiet time and IF you get lucky.

Outbound (606) landed on time, docked at air bridge. First off the plane to discover a locked door ahead of me and everyone else. They have a single corridor for the bridge arrivals which is shared with tarmac departures and they cannot mix the traffic. We knocked and were let through after 3minutes. It could have been worse.

No sign of a transfer route.

Hit a long queue for passports which moved reasonably quickly. They had space for 4 agents but only 2 were in use - both on all passports. Thankfully a lady gave way to me and I jumped some of the queue. Took ~10 minutes here. Exited the baggage hall and ran to the left to get into departures.

There was no security queue to speak of and I jumped ahead of someone taking ages to get his stuff out of his bag.

Then it is a turn to the right ...up the escalator to the outbound passport check. Again ... virtually no queue.

So from back of inbound passport to gate was 17 minutes. From touchdown to gate was 28 minutes. This is against a 1 hour turnaround (and assume doors closed 5-10 mins before that).

But ... I had deliberately chosen a quieter time. If you check the Pisa departure boards ... theres a lot of arrivals and departures in the morning all the way up to lunchtime. If you check twitter you will find lot so of photos and videos of long security queues ... all from between 10 and 12 in the morning.

Boarding began about 30 minutes prior to departure time but we were held on the airbridge for about 10 minutes so I was back on board at about 15 minutes prior to departure time.

I REALLY wouldnt recommend Pisa. A small security queue and a small second passport queue would have had me really sweating. And from what I have seen ... if I was on the earlier departure ... I think I would have missed it.

Last people got on with 3 minutes to go (a321) ... so I think I had a 20 minute buffer to play with.

And on top of all this I have seen articles announcing a lot of building work at Pisa.


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Old Aug 18, 2018, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by MPH1980
so I think I had a 20 minute buffer to play with.
Thanks very much for the report, which I am sure would be useful to other travellers. However 20 minutes (after a few difficulties) is pretty good for anywhere out of the AMS/CPH style arrangement. One wouldn't get much more than that at LUX, and that is a tiny airport building. Now these B2Bs aren't for everyone and Pisa is a good example of a place perhaps worth an overnight stay - apparently there are a few interesting monuments in town. However I'm almost tempted to up the suitability rating for Pisa based on your experiences! But if Italian fares are looking good, and they often are, then MXP and FCO remain better options for those who don't want too much hassle. The point about quiet periods is a good one however, I've had a bit of wait for security there, but I doubt it would stretch to 20 minutes, though it would perhaps feel like that.
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Old Aug 18, 2018, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
Thanks very much for the report, which I am sure would be useful to other travellers. However 20 minutes (after a few difficulties) is pretty good for anywhere out of the AMS/CPH style arrangement. One wouldn't get much more than that at LUX, and that is a tiny airport building. Now these B2Bs aren't for everyone and Pisa is a good example of a place perhaps worth an overnight stay - apparently there are a few interesting monuments in town. However I'm almost tempted to up the suitability rating for Pisa based on your experiences! But if Italian fares are looking good, and they often are, then MXP and FCO remain better options for those who don't want too much hassle. The point about quiet periods is a good one however, I've had a bit of wait for security there, but I doubt it would stretch to 20 minutes, though it would perhaps feel like that.
I certainly wouldn't up it's rating. I think the situation is very time dependant.

I departed on the 607 ... assuming you're going through security at ~7pm - you are going to be competing with people trying to get on flights from 7:30 to 9pm. Tonight there were 5 other flights around the same time (and mostly towards 9pm) and just 1 other departing a '2x' gate (one of the ones behind passport control).

If I had been trying to get out on the 603 - I'd have been going through security around 10:30 - meaning flights from 11am to 1pm. Of those, today, there would have been 11 of those - and of those - 8 all trying to get through the passport queues.

Then I see stuff like this on twitter:



And frankly - I suspect I was lucky. I was certainly very downhearted when I hit the inbound passport queue, but it moved surprisingly quickly - helped I think by the volume of european visitors.

So I'd leave it at reasonable. I'm going to add links to my review and this - but I think 'be very cautious' would be my message to people on PSA.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 5:45 am
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Anyone have any experience at Lyon doing B2B? Especially at the new Terminal 1 which BA now uses?
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by travelwithross
Anyone have any experience at Lyon doing B2B? Especially at the new Terminal 1 which BA now uses?
Fully landside, I'm afraid there, so 2 lots of passports and 1 security check, still it's actually one of the better locations in France, NCE is perhaps your other option apart from small places like LIG. So long as you are early off the aircraft you should be OK at LYS.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
Bad idea. It is the shortest 80TP route, but Algeria needs a visa and I can't believe LGW staff will entertain travel without one. Transit without visa is possible for UK and French citizens (not Germans for some reason) but it has to be to a third country, not back to back. And you can't enter ALG without going via passport control. If you are in direct transit the gendarme will then escort you back upstairs to departures, and without a security check if coming from LGW but usually it takes a while since the officer probably needs to check first with a senior gendarme. If you don't speak French or Arabic you risk having to go via landside and therefore going via security.

Algeria has improved their visa processing in the last 2 years, but it remains very old school compared to its neighbours on this and many other matters.
I am thinking of doing LGW-ALG-MAD-LHR with BA/IB. Just checking that this itinerary would be allowed and that a one and a half hour connection is OK without a visa.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by tedcruz
I am thinking of doing LGW-ALG-MAD-LHR with BA/IB. Just checking that this itinerary would be allowed and that a one and a half hour connection is OK without a visa.
Though I've been to Algiers, I've never connected via ALG, so I'm not sure how slick the process is. 90 minutes should be OK on paper, but it isn't a lot of time. If it was one ticket the MCT is 40, which indicates that it's quite do-able. You may need a TIMATIC print-out for the LGW agents, and if you speak French or Arabic then all the better.

The other option is getting a visa and having a look at Algiers (which would need some attention to personal safety but that could be said of many places). Getting a visa for Algeria used to be very tedious, now it is merely awkward.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 1:41 am
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Originally Posted by tedcruz
I am thinking of doing LGW-ALG-MAD-LHR with BA/IB. Just checking that this itinerary would be allowed and that a one and a half hour connection is OK without a visa.
someone asked a very similar question the other day so have a look for that thread though that poster had an LGW-ALG and then a separate ALG-MAD-XXX and was asking about the practicalities and if they needed a visa or not

thiugh in your case you are doing a transit / connection rather than a true B2B
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Minimum Connection Time for a B2B with BA at AMS

For Wednesday 5 September, Google Flights say that LHR/AMS on BA 434 arriving at 1410 can be combined for a B2B with BA 435 departing at 1500 - same aircraft.

BA say its not bookable - 2 hours minimum connection at AMS

Have called the service centre and they confirmed that 2 hours MCT at AMS is correct.

Could anyone explain why this is?

Thanks very much
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by flusters
For Wednesday 5 September, Google Flights say that LHR/AMS on BA 434 arriving at 1410 can be combined for a B2B with BA 435 departing at 1500 - same aircraft.

BA say its not bookable - 2 hours minimum connection at AMS

Have called the service centre and they confirmed that 2 hours MCT at AMS is correct.

Could anyone explain why this is?
In short, because Google Flights isn't good.

Was that a result from a travel agent? If so, it may have been selling you (undisclosed) two separate tickets. For a true back-to-back at AMS, there's no real risk involved there (and many of us deliberately book these back-to-backs on two separate tickets), but you ought to be made aware that this is what you are being sold.

From what I can see on EF, the MCT for BA-BA is indeed 2:00.

If you try this on the (normally much more reliable) ITA, you will see that BA434/BA435 cannot be combined onto one ticket.

However, I'm not sure why you're trying to book this on one booking. Is this for a TP/mileage/sector count run of some kind?
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 6:41 am
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In short, because Google Flights isn't good.

Was that a result from a travel agent? If so, it may have been selling you (undisclosed) two separate tickets. For a true back-to-back at AMS, there's no real risk involved there (and many of us deliberately book these back-to-backs on two separate tickets), but you ought to be made aware that this is what you are being sold.

From what I can see on EF, the MCT for BA-BA is indeed 2:00.

If you try this on the (normally much more reliable) ITA, you will see that BA434/BA435 cannot be combined onto one ticket.

However, I'm not sure why you're trying to book this on one booking. Is this for a TP/mileage/sector count run of some kind?
Thanks for your help Globaliser and the explanation on why these flights cannot be combined..

Yes its a TP run NCL/LHR/AMS/LHR/NCL for 160TPs to get to Gold and it was my own booking with BA! But I subsequently saw these flights to/from AMS with the same fare on Google Flights..

I recalled that KLM have a 40 mins MCT at AMS for European flights (and HEL on a B2B with BA is also 40 mins) so still struggling to understand why BA say 2 hours MCT at AMS - just from a commonsense viewpoint.

Whilst disappointing, it's not critical so thanks again
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by flusters
I recalled that KLM have a 40 mins MCT at AMS for European flights (and HEL on a B2B with BA is also 40 mins) so still struggling to understand why BA say 2 hours MCT at AMS - just from a commonsense viewpoint.

Whilst disappointing, it's not critical so thanks again
I guess no one envisages doing BA-BA connections at AMS, unlike say LHR T5 where BA-BA MCT is 60 mins. KL-KL connections at AMS happen every day so the difference is someone has thought about them.

Out of interest I wonder what KL-KL MCTs are at some of there similar easy b2b outstations like BGO or SVG?
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
Out of interest I wonder what KL-KL MCTs are at some of there similar easy b2b outstations like BGO or SVG?
A better comparison might be to look at KL's MCT at LHR. This is 75 minutes, which would similarly prevent you doing an AMS-LHR-AMS back-to-back on the same aircraft as the turnaround time at LHR is typically something like 55-65 minutes.

Although few of us will have much experience doing T4-T4 direct airside transits, I suspect that 55-65 minutes is usually long enough to do the full circuit.
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Originally Posted by flusters
Yes its a TP run NCL/LHR/AMS/LHR/NCL for 160TPs to get to Gold and it was my own booking with BA! But I subsequently saw these flights to/from AMS with the same fare on Google Flights.
The long MCT at AMS (and CDG for that matter) is due to baggage handling slowness, or so I'm told, even though it's not probably relevant to you. If you give us the date / price for AMS we can perhaps come up with alternatives, however the usual place to look from NCL is actually LUX. Now their MCT is 35 minutes, but they have a handy morning and evening pattern. CPH is 45 minutes, which may work where there is a night -stop crew change. DUS is 35 minutes and a good venue.

In terms of fares, without going into all the details of end-on add-ons for I bucket, GLA is better than NCL, EDI works but is usually higher for the add-on.
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