Sep 6, 2013, 1:14 pm
Last edit by: Globaliser
The latest version (2010) of the First cabin (termed "Prime" internally by British Airways, or "New First") is available on all 4-class 777s and all 747s.
An newer evolution (2013) of the First seat (Prime+) is found on all A380s, and a newer version still (2015) is available on all 787-9s.
The older version of the First cabin (termed "Classic" internally by British Airways, or "Old First") has now been withdrawn.
747 information updated to 31 March 2016. Last change: withdrawal of G-BNLF, the last OF aircraft
An newer evolution (2013) of the First seat (Prime+) is found on all A380s, and a newer version still (2015) is available on all 787-9s.
The older version of the First cabin (termed "Classic" internally by British Airways, or "Old First") has now been withdrawn.
747 information updated to 31 March 2016. Last change: withdrawal of G-BNLF, the last OF aircraft
Tracking NF [New First]
Jun 19, 2014, 9:32 am
#4501
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Forthcoming retirements in chronological order:-
Remaining OF aircraft with no planned retirement dates (and which may be refitted with NF):-
* Reported hours as at 31.12.2011; all others 31.12.2012.
+ Lite.
Aircraft in red are OF mid-J.
Code:
G-BNLI mid 21.04.1990 106,406 08.2014 G-BNLE hi 15.11.1989 96,719 09.2014 G-BNLW mid 05.03.1992 95,401 10.2014 G-BNLG mid 27.02.1990 88,163* 07.2015 G-BNLU mid 28.01.1992 90,096 10.2015 G-BNLV mid 20.02.1992 89,891 11.2015 G-BNLX mid 03.04.1992 94,402 11.2015 G-BNLZ mid 04.03.1993 85,701 01.2016
Code:
G-BNLJ mid 23.05.1990 104,044 G-BNLF mid 28.02.1990 101,924 [Retirement deferred] G-CIVA mid 22.03.1993 93,589 G-BNLY mid 10.02.1993 92,331 G-CIVC mid 26.02.1994 89,575
+ Lite.
Aircraft in red are OF mid-J.
Jul 9, 2014, 1:18 am
#4502
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I am flying from Phx to LHR on the 15th of July on First. How can I know if my flight has the NF or the OF? My ticket says, selling class "A". I just bought my ticket on First. If it is OF, shouldn't BA not sell me a First class ticket as per their new announcement considering OF as Business class seats for the PHX BA288 flights?
I just checked, after the end of October, you cannot actually book a first class ticket from PHX to LHR. Only Business class is available and when it comes to seat selection, you can choose from mid, front and upper deck! No more first class on PHX-LHR! I checked for 1 month in advance....not one direct flight that has first class! Now that sucks!
I just checked, after the end of October, you cannot actually book a first class ticket from PHX to LHR. Only Business class is available and when it comes to seat selection, you can choose from mid, front and upper deck! No more first class on PHX-LHR! I checked for 1 month in advance....not one direct flight that has first class! Now that sucks!
Last edited by Soly; Jul 9, 2014 at 3:02 am
Jul 9, 2014, 3:00 am
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Welcome to (posting on) FT, Soly!
When you arrive at the gate, look at the aircraft. New First aircraft have some window blanks in the first class section (zone A on the main deck, forward of doors 1) because the interior window fitting gives a pair of windows to each seat, and the extra windows are blanked out.
As you are starting your journey from the US, you could also use one of the online tools to see the registration of the aircraft that's operating the LHR-PHX flight on your day of travel, after that aircraft has departed LHR. Then you can look up whether it's a NF or OF aircraft.
Beyond these measures, there are no reliable public ways of knowing for sure. There could be an aircraft substitution at any time up to a couple of hours before the LHR-PHX flight actually departs.
No, because the withdrawal of First from PHX only takes effect at the end of October. After that, some lucky passengers will get a windfall benefit because they'll get to sit in a first class seat for the price of a business class ticket, even if it is Old First rather than New First.
For the moment, Old First remains First - although you will get your automatic 50,000 Avios compensation (or the travel voucher alternative) for it being Old First.
As you are starting your journey from the US, you could also use one of the online tools to see the registration of the aircraft that's operating the LHR-PHX flight on your day of travel, after that aircraft has departed LHR. Then you can look up whether it's a NF or OF aircraft.
Beyond these measures, there are no reliable public ways of knowing for sure. There could be an aircraft substitution at any time up to a couple of hours before the LHR-PHX flight actually departs.
For the moment, Old First remains First - although you will get your automatic 50,000 Avios compensation (or the travel voucher alternative) for it being Old First.
Jul 9, 2014, 3:14 am
#4504
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Welcome to (posting on) FT, Soly!When you arrive at the gate, look at the aircraft. New First aircraft have some window blanks in the first class section (zone A on the main deck, forward of doors 1) because the interior window fitting gives a pair of windows to each seat, and the extra windows are blanked out.
As you are starting your journey from the US, you could also use one of the online tools to see the registration of the aircraft that's operating the LHR-PHX flight on your day of travel, after that aircraft has departed LHR. Then you can look up whether it's a NF or OF aircraft.
Beyond these measures, there are no reliable public ways of knowing for sure. There could be an aircraft substitution at any time up to a couple of hours before the LHR-PHX flight actually departs.No, because the withdrawal of First from PHX only takes effect at the end of October. After that, some lucky passengers will get a windfall benefit because they'll get to sit in a first class seat for the price of a business class ticket, even if it is Old First rather than New First.
For the moment, Old First remains First - although you will get your automatic 50,000 Avios compensation (or the travel voucher alternative) for it being Old First.
As you are starting your journey from the US, you could also use one of the online tools to see the registration of the aircraft that's operating the LHR-PHX flight on your day of travel, after that aircraft has departed LHR. Then you can look up whether it's a NF or OF aircraft.
Beyond these measures, there are no reliable public ways of knowing for sure. There could be an aircraft substitution at any time up to a couple of hours before the LHR-PHX flight actually departs.No, because the withdrawal of First from PHX only takes effect at the end of October. After that, some lucky passengers will get a windfall benefit because they'll get to sit in a first class seat for the price of a business class ticket, even if it is Old First rather than New First.
For the moment, Old First remains First - although you will get your automatic 50,000 Avios compensation (or the travel voucher alternative) for it being Old First.
Could you please give me the link where i can ask for the 50K Avios comp?
Jul 9, 2014, 5:17 am
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Jul 9, 2014, 1:18 pm
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Thanks for the pictures golfmad ^
Typically shabby OF cabin, with clearly dirty IFE arm which the card is resting on. Also no flowers in front of 4EF.
Typically shabby OF cabin, with clearly dirty IFE arm which the card is resting on. Also no flowers in front of 4EF.
Jul 9, 2014, 2:58 pm
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Thanks for the info nux.
Thanks for the info and pictures golf mad.
I wouldn't mind 50K Avios. That will be 100K Avios for me and my wife if we get OF.
I guess form now on, I am going to have to go through LAX (closest to Phoenix).
Any news if eliminating First out of Phoenix is permanent?
Thanks for the info and pictures golf mad.
I wouldn't mind 50K Avios. That will be 100K Avios for me and my wife if we get OF.
I guess form now on, I am going to have to go through LAX (closest to Phoenix).
Any news if eliminating First out of Phoenix is permanent?
Jul 15, 2014, 9:20 am
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Thanks for the info nux.
Thanks for the info and pictures golf mad.
I wouldn't mind 50K Avios. That will be 100K Avios for me and my wife if we get OF.
I guess form now on, I am going to have to go through LAX (closest to Phoenix).
Any news if eliminating First out of Phoenix is permanent?
Thanks for the info and pictures golf mad.
I wouldn't mind 50K Avios. That will be 100K Avios for me and my wife if we get OF.
I guess form now on, I am going to have to go through LAX (closest to Phoenix).
Any news if eliminating First out of Phoenix is permanent?
As far as perminant elimination of First from the Phoenix route along with the other 4 routes announced, I have not heard that. It will depend on the delivery of future new aircraft to BA and what they intend on flying to Phoenix once the last of the OF 744's are retired.
Jul 16, 2014, 6:04 pm
#4511
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I will be going on the A380 out of LAX in November with my wife and (Very Calm/non-crying/loves to fly like daddy) 1 1/2 year old. Currently we are booked in 4e/4f. My question is would it be comfortable on the A380 layout to be in 4f/4k? My little one loves the window seat of airplanes but I also want to be sure we are close to each other. Would anyone recommend changing it or staying where we currently are? Thank you for the advice!
Jul 17, 2014, 1:34 am
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I will be going on the A380 out of LAX in November with my wife and (Very Calm/non-crying/loves to fly like daddy) 1 1/2 year old. Currently we are booked in 4e/4f. My question is would it be comfortable on the A380 layout to be in 4f/4k? My little one loves the window seat of airplanes but I also want to be sure we are close to each other. Would anyone recommend changing it or staying where we currently are? Thank you for the advice!
You may want to look at this thread for your seating query: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...on-thread.html
4F/K are closely aligned with an aisle in between, however the seats are angled away from each other so would be difficult to converse. 4E/F you are closer and angled together so easier to converse, however you would need to go around to the other aisle if you need to assist with anything.
Jul 28, 2014, 6:42 pm
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It hasn't done up to now? What's your information source going forward?
http://www.ftdashboard.net/flight/ba194.htm
Jul 28, 2014, 6:46 pm
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What makes you think it will change?
It hasn't done up to now? What's your information source going forward?
http://www.ftdashboard.net/flight/ba194.htm
It hasn't done up to now? What's your information source going forward?
http://www.ftdashboard.net/flight/ba194.htm
thanks, I think i'z was reading it wrong. Thinking the purple being different than the NF Green meant OF or 744 but most likely OF