Sep 6, 2013, 1:14 pm
Last edit by: Globaliser
The latest version (2010) of the First cabin (termed "Prime" internally by British Airways, or "New First") is available on all 4-class 777s and all 747s.
An newer evolution (2013) of the First seat (Prime+) is found on all A380s, and a newer version still (2015) is available on all 787-9s.
The older version of the First cabin (termed "Classic" internally by British Airways, or "Old First") has now been withdrawn.
747 information updated to 31 March 2016. Last change: withdrawal of G-BNLF, the last OF aircraft
An newer evolution (2013) of the First seat (Prime+) is found on all A380s, and a newer version still (2015) is available on all 787-9s.
The older version of the First cabin (termed "Classic" internally by British Airways, or "Old First") has now been withdrawn.
747 information updated to 31 March 2016. Last change: withdrawal of G-BNLF, the last OF aircraft
Tracking NF [New First]
Jun 14, 2014, 2:02 pm
#4486
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A fares are sometimes reserved for promotions and might only come available at certain times, to be removed later. Right now it appears that BA is not interested in selling any discounted first for that time period and route. That may change as you get closer.
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Jun 16, 2014, 3:20 pm
#4488
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Jun 16, 2014, 4:51 pm
#4489
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I seem to be developing a tactic of flying on 747s that then get taken out of service for one reason or another.
A month ago I'm on the final flight of G-BNLS and then I fly in on G-CIVA over the weekend only for it to go into maintenance.
Short answer - don't fly with me ;-)
Jun 18, 2014, 4:26 pm
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Jun 19, 2014, 1:50 am
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ll-744s-j.html
Jun 19, 2014, 2:55 am
#4492
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LAS is now no longer offering F, and will be a dedicated OF route but sold as J only. So looks like BA was willing to sell full fare F tickets and re-route, but now F is zeroed out.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ll-744s-j.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ll-744s-j.html
Jun 19, 2014, 3:37 am
#4493
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When an upgraded NF aircraft is taken out of service and the cabin moved to an OF, how long does this take and what does it cost?
Is there a reason why there wasn't a retirement plan that saw the aircraft due to be retired sooner not fitted with NF? (Or was there such a plan and it was superseded by operation changes?)
Is there a reason why there wasn't a retirement plan that saw the aircraft due to be retired sooner not fitted with NF? (Or was there such a plan and it was superseded by operation changes?)
Jun 19, 2014, 8:30 am
#4495
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From BA Source and noted in threads above.
"Old First to Become Business Class on B747-400 Routes.
June 18, 2014
British Airways today removed First Class inventory from the following Boeing 747-400 services from the start of the Winter 2014 timetable:
BA43/BA42 London Heathrow – Cape Town
BA85/BA84 London Heathrow – Vancouver
BA275/BA274 London Heathrow – Las Vegas
BA289/BA288 London Heathrow – Phoenix.
These flights will be allocated to Old First fitted Boeing 747-400s. On these services should more than 52 Business Class seats be sold then the First Class cabin will be opened up for high status Business Class passengers, although with Business Class service."
From a very selfish perspective because I routinely fly from Phoenix, this is very disappointing. Over four years from the NF announcement, getting NF on a hit and miss basis, now this announcement because BA refused to step up to the plate and do the right thing and get the last few 744's converted to NF. Bad decision in my opinion and will now look to fly on another airline until they can get delivery of their new aircraft and hopefully get F service back to these cities. If not, I will need to connect to a city with NF if I want to fly BA.
"Old First to Become Business Class on B747-400 Routes.
June 18, 2014
British Airways today removed First Class inventory from the following Boeing 747-400 services from the start of the Winter 2014 timetable:
BA43/BA42 London Heathrow – Cape Town
BA85/BA84 London Heathrow – Vancouver
BA275/BA274 London Heathrow – Las Vegas
BA289/BA288 London Heathrow – Phoenix.
These flights will be allocated to Old First fitted Boeing 747-400s. On these services should more than 52 Business Class seats be sold then the First Class cabin will be opened up for high status Business Class passengers, although with Business Class service."
From a very selfish perspective because I routinely fly from Phoenix, this is very disappointing. Over four years from the NF announcement, getting NF on a hit and miss basis, now this announcement because BA refused to step up to the plate and do the right thing and get the last few 744's converted to NF. Bad decision in my opinion and will now look to fly on another airline until they can get delivery of their new aircraft and hopefully get F service back to these cities. If not, I will need to connect to a city with NF if I want to fly BA.
Jun 19, 2014, 9:12 am
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G-BNLX November 2015
G-BNLZ January 2016
Not really 12 months. As the number of OF frames decline, maybe they begin to limit the number of cities that they are dedicated to. They are starting with 4 cities with no F, maybe as they get down to the last few OF frames they dedicate no F to 1 or two of the announced cities. Still an 18 month delay for these cities including mine which means I will have several flights that I need to make a decision on.
Jun 19, 2014, 9:24 am
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Unless there is a revised schedule (see page 280 of this thread) the last two 744's with OF to be retired are:
G-BNLX November 2015
G-BNLZ January 2016
Not really 12 months. As the number of OF frames decline, maybe they begin to limit the number of cities that they are dedicated to. They are starting with 4 cities with no F, maybe as they get down to the last few OF frames they dedicate no F to 1 or two of the announced cities. Still an 18 month delay for these cities including mine which means I will have several flights that I need to make a decision on.
G-BNLX November 2015
G-BNLZ January 2016
Not really 12 months. As the number of OF frames decline, maybe they begin to limit the number of cities that they are dedicated to. They are starting with 4 cities with no F, maybe as they get down to the last few OF frames they dedicate no F to 1 or two of the announced cities. Still an 18 month delay for these cities including mine which means I will have several flights that I need to make a decision on.
Jun 19, 2014, 9:28 am
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