Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Apr 26, 2021, 1:49 am
#391
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
In the pre-COVID past I've been on several P flights with full cabins (4/4 on the 777) but also 9/9 on the A380. Never an issue. It all depends on the crue. I have had less "caring" service on some flights where I was the only pax.
Apr 26, 2021, 11:56 am
#392
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,940
PS : I like the automatic correction of your "crew" in "crue" you have been victim of
Apr 26, 2021, 9:30 pm
#393
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,568
I got the same experience in F on several airlines.
I was a frequent traveller on AF P at the time of 8P 77W and 9P A380.
The best service was on a half-full flight. Service was often erratic when only pax (or with wifey) onboard. I had to ring repeatedly, which is not well liked in French AF culture.
I was a frequent traveller on AF P at the time of 8P 77W and 9P A380.
The best service was on a half-full flight. Service was often erratic when only pax (or with wifey) onboard. I had to ring repeatedly, which is not well liked in French AF culture.
Apr 27, 2021, 1:23 am
#394
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: AF/KL FB Plat ; A3 Gold ; HH Gold ; IHG Plat Amb
Posts: 2,380
Apr 27, 2021, 2:50 am
#395
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Anglia UK
Programs: BA-S UA LH-Sen KLM/AF-Plat.
Posts: 1,627
I got the same experience in F on several airlines.
I was a frequent traveller on AF P at the time of 8P 77W and 9P A380.
The best service was on a half-full flight. Service was often erratic when only pax (or with wifey) onboard. I had to ring repeatedly, which is not well liked in French AF culture.
I was a frequent traveller on AF P at the time of 8P 77W and 9P A380.
The best service was on a half-full flight. Service was often erratic when only pax (or with wifey) onboard. I had to ring repeatedly, which is not well liked in French AF culture.
Apr 29, 2021, 10:11 am
#396
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: OTP
Programs: AF/KL platinum, Turkish gold, QR gold
Posts: 1,572
I am in temporary P lounge every month for the past year and what I understood is that they absolutely have no clue when it might reopen... I was told "for sure" last December, last February then April and now, they're talking about May...
Unfortunately, as long as the P pax number will be low, I am quite pessimistic about the reopening
Unfortunately, as long as the P pax number will be low, I am quite pessimistic about the reopening
Apr 29, 2021, 11:41 am
#398
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: WRO/BOS
Programs: LH HON/AF Gold
Posts: 286
Apparently it will reopen on 4th May. Twitter message below retweeted as well by one of the Air France press officers (Cédric Landais).
https://twitter.com/flight_report/st...99438404489223
https://twitter.com/flight_report/st...99438404489223
How is it that AF is opening up a new and improved F lounge while LH/LX offer practically nothing for F passengers. I found myself napping at an abandoned restaurant cubicle after coming off an LX F flight a few weeks ago questioning why I only got 4 hours free Wifi access. Meanwhile with AF it’s basicallly business as usual.
needless to say I’m starting to question my loyalties 😅
Apr 29, 2021, 12:05 pm
#399
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
The answer is the same as for the lounges: because every country has its own rules during COVID. Some sensible, some stupid, and many where we won't be able to tell before time gives us the luxury of hindsight to judge.
So don't blame the airlines, but blame the countries their hubs are located in (and rules are different in Switzerland than in Germany, and lounge situation is different).
I found myself napping at an abandoned restaurant cubicle after coming off an LX F flight a few weeks ago questioning why I only got 4 hours free Wifi access. Meanwhile with AF it’s basicallly business as usual.
needless to say I’m starting to question my loyalties 😅
needless to say I’m starting to question my loyalties 😅
Apr 29, 2021, 2:02 pm
#400
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: WRO/BOS
Programs: LH HON/AF Gold
Posts: 286
And how is it that in France I need to weak a mask when I am walking the dog at 1am all alone in the street, and how is it that in France I need to pass through immigration control when arriving from Schengen, and - since we are at differences - how is it that in France it seems to be OK and legal to not allow people to travel or to move away more than x kilometers from their home? And how is it that in Germany libraries need to close but in France they can remain open, why schools stay open in France but Germany thinks they need to close, and why in Switzerland getting a PCR costs a bucketload of money while it's free in France, and so on...
The answer is the same as for the lounges: because every country has its own rules during COVID. Some sensible, some stupid, and many where we won't be able to tell before time gives us the luxury of hindsight to judge.
So don't blame the airlines, but blame the countries their hubs are located in (and rules are different in Switzerland than in Germany, and lounge situation is different).
I suppose that as long as what airlines offer is less their own decision but dictated by COVID policies I wouldn't let loyalty guide my choices but simply (1) which airline actually flies where (2) where I get a better experience thanks to local rules. Given a choice I wouldn't set foot on LH/LX in First right now but obviously prefer AF. Does that lead me to believe that AF is "better" and deserves more loyalty? Not sure, it's the same airline that reduces service in Business Class to plastic cups of water "for sanitary reasons". Yeah right.... With that being so, my next and so far only flight planned in First is with AF and I am happy to the lounge will be open!
The answer is the same as for the lounges: because every country has its own rules during COVID. Some sensible, some stupid, and many where we won't be able to tell before time gives us the luxury of hindsight to judge.
So don't blame the airlines, but blame the countries their hubs are located in (and rules are different in Switzerland than in Germany, and lounge situation is different).
I suppose that as long as what airlines offer is less their own decision but dictated by COVID policies I wouldn't let loyalty guide my choices but simply (1) which airline actually flies where (2) where I get a better experience thanks to local rules. Given a choice I wouldn't set foot on LH/LX in First right now but obviously prefer AF. Does that lead me to believe that AF is "better" and deserves more loyalty? Not sure, it's the same airline that reduces service in Business Class to plastic cups of water "for sanitary reasons". Yeah right.... With that being so, my next and so far only flight planned in First is with AF and I am happy to the lounge will be open!
Yes of course they are putting the blame on restrictions. But as we can see several airlines have been creative about keeping premium services for passengers.
I’m definitely willing to overlook certain aspects but it doesn’t mean that my opinion or loyalties aren’t being shaped by certain behaviors
Apr 29, 2021, 8:57 pm
#401
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: GRU/LIS
Programs: FB Platinum, Smiles/GOL Diamond, LATAM Black, ALL Platinum
Posts: 280
Otherwise why some provincial airport lounges of AF are still closed whereas other ones are opened in CDG.
Apr 30, 2021, 3:52 am
#402
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
So I did my first La Premiere on CDG-MEX, upgraded for 235 EUR + a bit less than 90k. We were two so x 2. Day before we flew PRG-AMS-BCN with KL, the new Embraer is so cool, good job KLM. Check in, we asked if there will be someone in CDG waiting for us...gate agent said yes, purser did not know and saw on table our connection in business so we explained we upgraded "a few hours ago with miles" so they contacted ground on BCN-CDG flight and we got confirmation slightly before arrival that yes, there will be someone. The purser on this short flight was again great as always on short AF flight.
The purser stepped out of the plane with us to hand os over to yet running to us elderly lady on heels, impressive how fast she was during the escort. It was long way, she hardly caught breath so I could not really understand her English...never mind, no crowds anywhere so no need for escort but I wanted to have the full experience. Lounge for two of us only, we took a shower in business class lounge, what kind of looks we got when we were escorted downstairs, oh my my. Back in the lounge breakfast menu visible, far from really inviting so I asked not really attentive waiter at what time the lunch will be ready...the answer "ugh...maybe in like 2 hours?" How about "I can give you the menu but the lunch is served from 11am." This was not really elegant speed and her attentive service was non existent. After this conversation she came back with the menu for lunch, so we placed our orders and waited...and waited...we ordered champagne, was brought Moet and then after 2 glasses she asked me maybe I want to see the wine list? Thank you, after two hours in the lounge! Krug on offer so good bye goldish Moet, you lost this time (but it was really perfectly drinkable).
Impressed by SFO777 report recently I went for the same, sea bass was also nice option but decided to go for what is famous here. I cant say I was blown away but definitely not disappointed. At 11am changing waiters, Bruna came in and she was exactly what you expect to have in F lounge. We bid farewell to our older friend, she is on her way to holidays....maybe the vacay mood was on too soon.
Temperature check in the lounge, ready for drive but first, thank you for flying Air France, we got bottle of Krug to go. Nice gesture, AF clearly wants my dad's service. In conversation between we told our escort that my father does not fly AF but LH because of language barrier (old sport, apart from Czech it is German and Russian skills only). It was clear to me once we were settled in and I went back to galley to thank her for service and I heard her talking to our crew "LH, Miami"...yep, for this offer you gave us we will fly LP more often, I promise!
Back to the ride, BMW was nice, not really impressive leg space back. No lift at the gate so stairs, gosh that was horrible, dirt everywhere, rubbish there and over there...good to be on jet bridge. Crew phenomenal, you could tell we were royalty. Later during mid flight I asked for wifi voucher - we needed to contacted the ground because we were upgraded from J..yeah, day before our flight so you'd expect it would go with it as was everything else? Once again, the crew were great and it is happiness to write feedback about them, AF is happy to have them.
So it was way better than CX F, above Lufthansa but the ground experience is maybe better in FRA, thanks to all the perks on the ground it was better than EY 380, given the not big cultural difference I felt comfortable here more than on JL and thanks to more intimate cabin it steps over TG F too. Well done Air France, you deserve the hype.
Nice and fresh
AF classic
BMW
1A
Ready to go
Caviar - a bit weak presentation
Soup, perfect
Duet shrimp, heaven
Desserts
Cheese
Mid-way salad
Pre-arrival
Filled with foies gras, very nice
Amazing
Merci!!!
The purser stepped out of the plane with us to hand os over to yet running to us elderly lady on heels, impressive how fast she was during the escort. It was long way, she hardly caught breath so I could not really understand her English...never mind, no crowds anywhere so no need for escort but I wanted to have the full experience. Lounge for two of us only, we took a shower in business class lounge, what kind of looks we got when we were escorted downstairs, oh my my. Back in the lounge breakfast menu visible, far from really inviting so I asked not really attentive waiter at what time the lunch will be ready...the answer "ugh...maybe in like 2 hours?" How about "I can give you the menu but the lunch is served from 11am." This was not really elegant speed and her attentive service was non existent. After this conversation she came back with the menu for lunch, so we placed our orders and waited...and waited...we ordered champagne, was brought Moet and then after 2 glasses she asked me maybe I want to see the wine list? Thank you, after two hours in the lounge! Krug on offer so good bye goldish Moet, you lost this time (but it was really perfectly drinkable).
Impressed by SFO777 report recently I went for the same, sea bass was also nice option but decided to go for what is famous here. I cant say I was blown away but definitely not disappointed. At 11am changing waiters, Bruna came in and she was exactly what you expect to have in F lounge. We bid farewell to our older friend, she is on her way to holidays....maybe the vacay mood was on too soon.
Temperature check in the lounge, ready for drive but first, thank you for flying Air France, we got bottle of Krug to go. Nice gesture, AF clearly wants my dad's service. In conversation between we told our escort that my father does not fly AF but LH because of language barrier (old sport, apart from Czech it is German and Russian skills only). It was clear to me once we were settled in and I went back to galley to thank her for service and I heard her talking to our crew "LH, Miami"...yep, for this offer you gave us we will fly LP more often, I promise!
Back to the ride, BMW was nice, not really impressive leg space back. No lift at the gate so stairs, gosh that was horrible, dirt everywhere, rubbish there and over there...good to be on jet bridge. Crew phenomenal, you could tell we were royalty. Later during mid flight I asked for wifi voucher - we needed to contacted the ground because we were upgraded from J..yeah, day before our flight so you'd expect it would go with it as was everything else? Once again, the crew were great and it is happiness to write feedback about them, AF is happy to have them.
So it was way better than CX F, above Lufthansa but the ground experience is maybe better in FRA, thanks to all the perks on the ground it was better than EY 380, given the not big cultural difference I felt comfortable here more than on JL and thanks to more intimate cabin it steps over TG F too. Well done Air France, you deserve the hype.
Nice and fresh
AF classic
BMW
1A
Ready to go
Caviar - a bit weak presentation
Soup, perfect
Duet shrimp, heaven
Desserts
Cheese
Mid-way salad
Pre-arrival
Filled with foies gras, very nice
Amazing
Merci!!!
Apr 30, 2021, 3:53 am
#403
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
+ it looks like only 4 bottles of Pommery 2004 loaded, after 3rd bottle we had to switch to wine or biz champagne because "I must left something here for the flight back"....oki..
Apr 30, 2021, 5:35 am
#405
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
Otherwise why some provincial airport lounges of AF are still closed whereas other ones are opened in CDG.