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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Mar 20, 2017, 6:35 am
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Semi OT: Air Caraïbes has recently launched its A350 on the ORY-FDF/PTP route. Their new business class features fully flat seats in a 2x2x2 config.
With its decision to keep their 2x3x2 NEV4 77W for CIO destinations, AF is certainly making a great gift to the competition.
With its decision to keep their 2x3x2 NEV4 77W for CIO destinations, AF is certainly making a great gift to the competition.
Mar 20, 2017, 12:44 pm
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AF has been doing the 772 rotation between ORY-JFK and ORY-CAY since the launch of the ORY-JFK route. Currently birds GSPO and GSPL are used for both routes. A similar rotation is done with the 77Ws currently used for FDP and PTP. The introduction of the BEST configuration for ORY-CAY might just be driven by AF's desire to have such rotation of the equipment and not by the route itself.
Mar 20, 2017, 7:10 pm
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AF has been doing the 772 rotation between ORY-JFK and ORY-CAY since the launch of the ORY-JFK route. Currently birds GSPO and GSPL are used for both routes. A similar rotation is done with the 77Ws currently used for FDP and PTP. The introduction of the BEST configuration for ORY-CAY might just be driven by AF's desire to have such rotation of the equipment and not by the route itself.
Mar 20, 2017, 7:41 pm
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It's true that it is mainly tourism (what is VFR by the way?). It is also true that locally, flying AF in C rather than TX or SS is a socially visible indicator.
Nonetheless having a bit of habits on the route I have seen more than once overbooked AF C cabin, resulting in downgrades. I am pretty sure a significant part of O/D business can shift to TX. After all, they are now offering a better hard product for a portion of the price.
Mar 20, 2017, 7:50 pm
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Hi Goldorak,
It's true that it is mainly tourism (what is VFR by the way?). It is also true that locally, flying AF in C rather than TX or SS is a socially visible indicator.
Nonetheless having a bit of habits on the route I have seen more than once overbooked AF C cabin, resulting in downgrades. I am pretty sure a significant part of O/D business can shift to TX. After all, they are now offering a better hard product for a portion of the price.
It's true that it is mainly tourism (what is VFR by the way?). It is also true that locally, flying AF in C rather than TX or SS is a socially visible indicator.
Nonetheless having a bit of habits on the route I have seen more than once overbooked AF C cabin, resulting in downgrades. I am pretty sure a significant part of O/D business can shift to TX. After all, they are now offering a better hard product for a portion of the price.
VFR stands for "visiting friends and relatives". Those routes are very heavy VFR traffic-oriented. Locals working in métropole returning to the islands for vacations or islanders going to métropole for visiting family/friends living there. Thank you for the insider view. Note that with only 14J seats in the COI config, it's easy to get overbooked (especially when you take into consideration "AF family" upgrading themselves in J
Mar 21, 2017, 12:14 am
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Very VFR indeed. Sorry for OT.
Mar 21, 2017, 3:52 am
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I have updated the 772s on the wiki (added the new configuration -28J- as well as the planes that have been converted, based on observations)
This is the same scenario for my usual CDG-SDQ route. Flying AF even in Y is a social visible indicator, for some people it would be a shame to take the TX flight. I think AF does a very good job with the capacity planning in Business class. C is often 75% when the flight is operated by a COI 77W, but consistenly full during winter, when a 772 or 77W Leisure are used. Nevertheless, they struggle to fill out the Y cabin even during the highest seasons.
Hi Goldorak,
It's true that it is mainly tourism (what is VFR by the way?). It is also true that locally, flying AF in C rather than TX or SS is a socially visible indicator.
Nonetheless having a bit of habits on the route I have seen more than once overbooked AF C cabin, resulting in downgrades. I am pretty sure a significant part of O/D business can shift to TX. After all, they are now offering a better hard product for a portion of the price.
It's true that it is mainly tourism (what is VFR by the way?). It is also true that locally, flying AF in C rather than TX or SS is a socially visible indicator.
Nonetheless having a bit of habits on the route I have seen more than once overbooked AF C cabin, resulting in downgrades. I am pretty sure a significant part of O/D business can shift to TX. After all, they are now offering a better hard product for a portion of the price.
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Mar 21, 2017, 5:17 am
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Another point: brunos stated back in December that all 19 77W had been converted and that there were no more 77W remaining.
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
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Mar 21, 2017, 2:02 pm
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Another point: brunos stated back in December that all 19 77W had been converted and that there were no more 77W remaining.
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
Also, for summer season, it seems SFO will have BEST on the days the evening flight AF82/85 is operated.
Mar 22, 2017, 3:59 am
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Another point: brunos stated back in December that all 19 77W had been converted and that there were no more 77W remaining.
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
The original plan was to convert 25 out of the 43 77W (44 out of 62 Boeing 777), since this announcement, the fleet has grown from 62 to 68. Will AF just leave 24 planes with NEV4?
Mar 24, 2017, 1:49 pm
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I have a PTY-CDG flight booked on July 7th. I was just notified that this equipment has changed from 772 to 77W.
This is interesting as this route has always consistently been 772 - and of late always BEST.
I wonder what this will do to BEST/non BEST. Need to go look at the cabin...
Update; downgraded from BEST to NEV4. Pain in the neck!
This is interesting as this route has always consistently been 772 - and of late always BEST.
I wonder what this will do to BEST/non BEST. Need to go look at the cabin...
Update; downgraded from BEST to NEV4. Pain in the neck!
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Mar 25, 2017, 3:23 am
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I have a PTY-CDG flight booked on July 7th. I was just notified that this equipment has changed from 772 to 77W.
This is interesting as this route has always consistently been 772 - and of late always BEST.
I wonder what this will do to BEST/non BEST. Need to go look at the cabin...
Update; downgraded from BEST to NEV4. Pain in the neck!
This is interesting as this route has always consistently been 772 - and of late always BEST.
I wonder what this will do to BEST/non BEST. Need to go look at the cabin...
Update; downgraded from BEST to NEV4. Pain in the neck!
Mar 25, 2017, 3:39 am
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What I can tell you is that AF688/689 has consistently BEST cabins for about 3 months now, while AF681/682 is NEV4. I fly once or twice a month to a US place without non-stop flight from CDG and I have moved all my transits through ATL via 688/689 to have the BEST cabins. This has also another advantage during the winter months as you have less risks of delays/cancellations because of severe winter weather than in DTW, MSP or CVG.
What does this mean for the coming months, of course I don't know.
What does this mean for the coming months, of course I don't know.
Enjoy the ATL best routing while it lasts. Looks like the 689/688 leg will be replaced with a 77W in the coming weeks.
I guess I was hoping that there was a chance that AF would have a BEST 77W on one of the ATL flights this summer. I figured if anyone would know, it would be you.
I guess I was hoping that there was a chance that AF would have a BEST 77W on one of the ATL flights this summer. I figured if anyone would know, it would be you.
Mar 25, 2017, 9:57 am
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I did another ATL ride this week in BEST, but unfortunately, as feared, no more BEST to ATL from next week. So no more BEST to any Skyteam US hubs, outside JFK which is not a good connection point and also which is a destination loosing soon BEST seats with the replacement of a 777 by A380
Mar 25, 2017, 10:18 am
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And it's a nonsense to keep some aircrafts (77W 42J, some with a mix of BEST in Y-W and non-BEST in J) with "old" seats....