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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible

NORTH AMERICA

- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)

CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)

ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)

AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)

MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)

CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25

Code:

F-GSPA – NEV4
 F-GSPE – NEV4
 F-GSPM – NEV4
 F-GSPZ – NEV4

Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25

Code:

F-GSPD
 F-GSPP

Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25

Code:

F-GSPB – BEST
 F-GSPC – BEST
 F-GSPF – BEST
 F-GSPG – BEST
 F-GSPH – BEST
 F-GSPI – BEST
 F-GSPJ - BEST
 F-GSPK – BEST
 F-GSPQ – BEST
 F-GSPR – BEST
 F-GSPS – BEST
 F-GSPT – BEST
 F-GSPU – BEST
 F-GSPV – BEST
 F-GSPX – BEST
 F-GSPY – BEST
 
 
 or

Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25

Code:

F-GSPL – BEST
 F-GSPO – BEST
 F-GSPN – BEST

Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43

Code:

All Converted to BEST

Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43

Code:

F-GSQD – NEV4
 F-GSQE – NEV4
 F-GZNH – NEV4
 F-GZNI – NEV4
 F-GZNJ - NEV4
 F-GZNK – NEV4

Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43

Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43

Code:

F-GSQA – BEST
 F-GSQB – BEST
 F-GSQC – BEST
 F-GSQF – BEST
 F-GSQG – BEST
 F-GSQH – BEST
 F-GSQI – BEST
 F-GSQJ – BEST
 F-GSQK – BEST
 F-GSQL – BEST
 F-GSQY – BEST
 F-GSQM – BEST
 F-GSQU - BEST
 F-GSQV – BEST
 F-GSQY – BEST
 F-GZNA – BEST
 F-GZNB - BEST
 F-GZNC – BEST
 F-GZND - BEST
 F-GZNE – BEST
 
 
 or

Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43

Code:

F-GSQN – NEV4
 F-GSQO – NEV4
 F-GSQP – NEV4
 F-GSQR – NEV4
 F-GSQS – NEV4
 F-GSQT – NEV4
 F-GSQX – NEV4
 F-GZNF – NEV4
 F-GZNG – NEV4
 F-GZNL – NEV4
 F-GZNN – NEV4
 F-GZNO – NEV4

Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43

Code:

F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015)
 F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015)
 F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015)
 F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)

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Apr 17, 2017, 8:43 am

#961

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Originally Posted by Goldorak

you should book P

just joking of course

Yep

a bargain

Apr 19, 2017, 9:46 am

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I'm new to AF, (formerly an LH/*A loyalist) and frankly I was a bit surprised and disappointed at the lack of a flatbed business class seat... until I flew CPT-CDG last week on a 777. Much better experience (although I did have a bit of backache tbh)...

I'm struggling to understand from this thread whether there is a general AF commitment to upgrade seats across all the fleet, or is it just a bunch of 777s that get 'the comfy chair'?

Apr 19, 2017, 10:03 am

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Originally Posted by jcmetrokraft

Hi jcmetrokraft,

Air France has the following plans:

Refurbish 44 Boeing 777 planes. There will be some 777-300ER planes that will not receive the new BEST configuration. Some of them will have only 2 rows of Business Class, the so-called "COI" (Caraibes Océan Indien) version rostered on flights between Paris and the French Overseas Departments in the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean (Réunion), as well as to a number of low yield destinations. Then there are a couple of 777-300ERs that will have a somewhat larger Business Class cabin and will also retain the angled-flat seats. These planes are rostered *generall* on lower yield destinations (for instance, Rio de Janeiro, Miami). But of course, as substitutions happen all the time, you may find yourself on a plane that is supposed to have the new BEST seats but doesn't, and the other way around. You can see the status of refits in the Wiki at the start of this thread.
Air France's fleet of Airbus 330-200s will come next. But refits have not started yet
Last will be the A380 fleet.
Air France's Airbus A340s will not be refitted with the new BEST seats as they'll leave the fleet soon.

I hope this helps. You'll find that the Air France BEST cabin product is superior to the Lufthansa one as the LH product does not have single seats and not aisle access from every seat, the old Air France seats - which are not lie-flat - are inferior to the Lufthansa product, which are (some people may disagree, but that is sort of overall consensus).

Apr 20, 2017, 9:17 pm

#964

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Quote:

Originally Posted by San Gottardo

Hi jcmetrokraft,

Air France has the following plans:

Refurbish 44 Boeing 777 planes. There will be some 777-300ER planes that will not receive the new BEST configuration. Some of them will have only 2 rows of Business Class, the so-called "COI" (Caraibes Océan Indien) version rostered on flights between Paris and the French Overseas Departments in the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean (Réunion), as well as to a number of low yield destinations. Then there are a couple of 777-300ERs that will have a somewhat larger Business Class cabin and will also retain the angled-flat seats. These planes are rostered *generall* on lower yield destinations (for instance, Rio de Janeiro, Miami). But of course, as substitutions happen all the time, you may find yourself on a plane that is supposed to have the new BEST seats but doesn't, and the other way around. You can see the status of refits in the Wiki at the start of this thread.
Air France's fleet of Airbus 330-200s will come next. But refits have not started yet
Last will be the A380 fleet.
Air France's Airbus A340s will not be refitted with the new BEST seats as they'll leave the fleet soon.

I'm flying MIA-CDG in September. Right now the seat maps show 2-3-2 configuration for Business class. Do you know if the plane will have the "old" 2-3-2 seats or will they at least be "refurbished" 2-3-2 seats?

Apr 20, 2017, 11:48 pm

#965

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAPPYLIFE

It will have the "old" (=NEV4) seat. Refurbished BEST would have a 1-2-1 config.

Apr 21, 2017, 3:47 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by San Gottardo

Hi jcmetrokraft,

Air France has the following plans:

Refurbish 44 Boeing 777 planes. There will be some 777-300ER planes that will not receive the new BEST configuration. Some of them will have only 2 rows of Business Class, the so-called "COI" (Caraibes Océan Indien) version rostered on flights between Paris and the French Overseas Departments in the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean (Réunion), as well as to a number of low yield destinations. Then there are a couple of 777-300ERs that will have a somewhat larger Business Class cabin and will also retain the angled-flat seats. These planes are rostered *generall* on lower yield destinations (for instance, Rio de Janeiro, Miami). But of course, as substitutions happen all the time, you may find yourself on a plane that is supposed to have the new BEST seats but doesn't, and the other way around. You can see the status of refits in the Wiki at the start of this thread.
Air France's fleet of Airbus 330-200s will come next. But refits have not started yet
Last will be the A380 fleet.
Air France's Airbus A340s will not be refitted with the new BEST seats as they'll leave the fleet soon.

Just a precision, 24 777s will not be retrofitted. The majority of AF longhaul planes (58 out of 102 do not have BEST and will not by end-2017.

Last edited by brunos; Apr 21, 2017 at 10:17 am

Apr 21, 2017, 8:00 am

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Originally Posted by brunos

Just a precision, 24 777s will not be retrofitted. The majority of AF longhaul planes (58 out of 1020 do not have BEST and will not by end-2017.

Certainly feels like on some route that only 0.06% of their planes have the BEST seats

Apr 21, 2017, 8:09 am

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Just updated the Wiki with the BEST routes for summer 2017. Source is expertflyer.

I trust this is helpful.

Also, I tried to update the fleet overview.

All Boeing 777-200ER aircraft have now been fitted with the BEST cabin. However, I don't know which ones have the quick change cabin and which ones don't, so I didn't know in which bucket to post.

For the 777-300ER I think the refit program is (almost) finished as well?

All planes supposed to have a Premiere cabin are refitted
All planes supposed to have no P/BEST cabin have been refitted
All planes supposed to remain in a no P/NEV 4 configuration remain that way
All planes supposed to be in the COI configuration with NEV4 seats remain that way

Hence, all Business class cabins are now in their "final" stage. No more NEV3 and NEV2 seats, all seats are either BEST or NEV4.

Should we start a new thread and a new Wiki with the progress of the refurbishment of the A330 cabins?

Last edited by San Gottardo; Apr 21, 2017 at 8:25 am

Apr 21, 2017, 2:12 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by San Gottardo

All planes supposed to have a Premiere cabin are refitted
All planes supposed to have no P/BEST cabin have been refitted
All planes supposed to remain in a no P/NEV 4 configuration remain that way
All planes supposed to be in the COI configuration with NEV4 seats remain that way

Thank you San Gottardo

and yes, I think it will be useful to have a separate thread for the A332 refurbishment when it will start.

Apr 21, 2017, 9:15 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by San Gottardo

All planes supposed to have a Premiere cabin are refitted
All planes supposed to have no P/BEST cabin have been refitted
All planes supposed to remain in a no P/NEV 4 configuration remain that way
All planes supposed to be in the COI configuration with NEV4 seats remain that way

All are good suggestions.

I assume that your "list" refers to 77W, as all 772 have now BEST. Then I don't see what is a "No P/BEST". I believed that all 77W are (will be in a few months) either P with BEST or no P with NEV4.

Do we have news on the A330 refit? It was announced a year ago, but has it been confirmed? And it is to start by end-2017, so has the seat been selected?

Last edited by brunos; Apr 21, 2017 at 11:26 pm

Apr 22, 2017, 2:38 am

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Do we have news on the A330 refit? It was announced a year ago, but has it been confirmed? And it is to start by end-2017, so has the seat been selected?

Not started yet, AFAIK. And yes I believe the seat has been chosen as it was already announced last year that Zodiac is the supplier. I am guessing it will be the same as in the B789 or very similar.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-f...nd-2017-a.html

Apr 22, 2017, 4:48 am

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What is surprising is that we got no news whatsoever in more than a year. With the fiasco of the A350 (CX is really suffering with the quality of seats and toilets), I wonder if AF changed its mind.

Apr 27, 2017, 11:45 am

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- SFO (AF082/083)

Seems to only be on Mon/Wed/Fri most of summer schedule. Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun seem to be not BEST.

Apr 27, 2017, 12:07 pm

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- SFO (AF082/083)

Seems to only be on Mon/Wed/Fri most of summer schedule. Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun seem to be not BEST.

Is that both ways, BEST only on MWF whether going E or W?

When they fly SFO-CDG on BEST, does it not turn around the next day for CDG-SFO? Then that plane flies SFO-CDG again the day after that?

Or are they swapping planes every other day?

Apr 27, 2017, 12:35 pm

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When they fly SFO-CDG on BEST, does it not turn around the next day for CDG-SFO? Then that plane flies SFO-CDG again the day after that?

They are based in a France, so this is the other way around. The plane which flies CDG-SFO turns around 2 or 3 hrs later for SFO-CDG.