2022 schedule updates - new/cancelled routes, frequency/equipment changes, etc
Jun 26, 2022, 2:46 pm
#391
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Anyone know what's up with the evening 743/745 YYZ-SFO flights starting July 1?
For July 1 through August 12 (didn't search past that), they all suddenly went to J0.
(744/746 SFO-YYZ look similar on the 7 days I checked, but I haven't done a more thorough search)
Edit: There's tons of positive space on these flights on these flights. They're just not selling it.
Edit 2: I missed the fact that they seem to have zeroed out Y as well. Sigh. Guess one of them is getting cancelled or something. Not sure what they're going to do on the days where they have 80 more booked pax than a 333 can accommodate.
For July 1 through August 12 (didn't search past that), they all suddenly went to J0.
(744/746 SFO-YYZ look similar on the 7 days I checked, but I haven't done a more thorough search)
Edit: There's tons of positive space on these flights on these flights. They're just not selling it.
Edit 2: I missed the fact that they seem to have zeroed out Y as well. Sigh. Guess one of them is getting cancelled or something. Not sure what they're going to do on the days where they have 80 more booked pax than a 333 can accommodate.
Last edited by canadiancow; Jun 26, 2022 at 2:55 pm
Jun 26, 2022, 3:05 pm
#393
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They've also zeroed out the last two flights of the day YYZ-YWG for all of July and August. The evening flights are available again starting Sept. 6th.
Assuming they are cancelled, this means the last YYZ-YWG flight leaves at 16:45, which is too early for me to connect to from my international flight on August 23. Maybe they will just combine them into one flight?
Assuming they are cancelled, this means the last YYZ-YWG flight leaves at 16:45, which is too early for me to connect to from my international flight on August 23. Maybe they will just combine them into one flight?
Jun 26, 2022, 3:08 pm
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It seems unlikely they'd cancel both.
I can appreciate zeroing them out on July 1 if they're going to cancel the 321, but as I said, they'll still be over by 80 pax if they do that.
July 2 is even worse.
Not gonna go through the whole month, but these are not empty flights.
I can appreciate zeroing them out on July 1 if they're going to cancel the 321, but as I said, they'll still be over by 80 pax if they do that.
July 2 is even worse.
Not gonna go through the whole month, but these are not empty flights.
Jun 27, 2022, 11:00 am
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Quite the list of "adjustments" from Aeroroutes
Montreal North America departure for July 2022
as of 19JUN22: 4012 flights, 475139 seats
as of 26JUN22: 3783 flights, 456410 seats (5.7% flight reductions)
Toronto North America departure for July 2022
as of 19JUN22: 7609 flights, 959726 seats
as of 26JUN22: 7316 flights, 935210 seats (3.9% flight reductions)
Montreal – Bathurst 31 > 18
Montreal – Boston 124 > 93
Montreal – Moncton 93 > 62
Montreal – Newark 124 > 108
Montreal – New York LaGuardia 155 > 139
Montreal – Ottawa 247 > 216
Montreal – Pittsburgh 31 > 27
Montreal – Quebec City 146 > 115
Montreal – Toronto 427 > 436-437 (Service increase)
Montreal – Toronto City 226 > 197
Toronto – Boston 187 > 157
Toronto – Chicago O’Hare 217 > 186
Toronto – Detroit 124 > 93
Toronto – Fort Lauderdale 62 > 64 (Service increase)
Toronto – London ON 124 > 118
Toronto – New York LaGuardia 281 > 261
Toronto – North Bay 62 > 31
Toronto – Ottawa 311 > 280
Toronto – Timmins 93 > 62
Toronto – Windsor 155 > 124
Toronto City – Ottawa 82 > 67
Air Canada during the month of July 2022 suspends following North America routes to/from Montreal:
Montreal – Baltimore/Washington 01JUL22 – 31JUL22
Montreal – Kelowna 01JUL22 – 31JUL22
Montreal North America departure for July 2022
as of 19JUN22: 4012 flights, 475139 seats
as of 26JUN22: 3783 flights, 456410 seats (5.7% flight reductions)
Toronto North America departure for July 2022
as of 19JUN22: 7609 flights, 959726 seats
as of 26JUN22: 7316 flights, 935210 seats (3.9% flight reductions)
Montreal – Bathurst 31 > 18
Montreal – Boston 124 > 93
Montreal – Moncton 93 > 62
Montreal – Newark 124 > 108
Montreal – New York LaGuardia 155 > 139
Montreal – Ottawa 247 > 216
Montreal – Pittsburgh 31 > 27
Montreal – Quebec City 146 > 115
Montreal – Toronto 427 > 436-437 (Service increase)
Montreal – Toronto City 226 > 197
Toronto – Boston 187 > 157
Toronto – Chicago O’Hare 217 > 186
Toronto – Detroit 124 > 93
Toronto – Fort Lauderdale 62 > 64 (Service increase)
Toronto – London ON 124 > 118
Toronto – New York LaGuardia 281 > 261
Toronto – North Bay 62 > 31
Toronto – Ottawa 311 > 280
Toronto – Timmins 93 > 62
Toronto – Windsor 155 > 124
Toronto City – Ottawa 82 > 67
Air Canada during the month of July 2022 suspends following North America routes to/from Montreal:
Montreal – Baltimore/Washington 01JUL22 – 31JUL22
Montreal – Kelowna 01JUL22 – 31JUL22
Jun 27, 2022, 12:03 pm
#396
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Can't seem to find any option to book either of the two redeye flights from YVR -> YYZ in August. I was keeping an eye on them in May and now they are just gone. I'm thinking they must be cancelled, although i don't know how to verify this...
Jun 27, 2022, 12:07 pm
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What are the dates and flight numbers if you have them?
Jun 27, 2022, 12:15 pm
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126 & 128 are currently zeroed out, which likely means they are cancelled...which is surprising. Thinning out the schedule to create more reliability maybe?
Jun 27, 2022, 12:21 pm
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Anyone know what's up with the evening 743/745 YYZ-SFO flights starting July 1?
For July 1 through August 12 (didn't search past that), they all suddenly went to J0.
(744/746 SFO-YYZ look similar on the 7 days I checked, but I haven't done a more thorough search)
Edit: There's tons of positive space on these flights on these flights. They're just not selling it.
Edit 2: I missed the fact that they seem to have zeroed out Y as well. Sigh. Guess one of them is getting cancelled or something. Not sure what they're going to do on the days where they have 80 more booked pax than a 333 can accommodate.
For July 1 through August 12 (didn't search past that), they all suddenly went to J0.
(744/746 SFO-YYZ look similar on the 7 days I checked, but I haven't done a more thorough search)
Edit: There's tons of positive space on these flights on these flights. They're just not selling it.
Edit 2: I missed the fact that they seem to have zeroed out Y as well. Sigh. Guess one of them is getting cancelled or something. Not sure what they're going to do on the days where they have 80 more booked pax than a 333 can accommodate.
Jun 27, 2022, 12:38 pm
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There are no seats for sale on the 6 am or the 1 am flight YEG- YUL for much of July and August. Only the noon flight seems to be there. Seems unlikely that they would be full but if they cancel 2/3 YUL flights that likely will cause many issues!
Jun 27, 2022, 2:07 pm
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Do we know if any of these zeroed out flights:
a) really will be cancelled?
b) have existing confirmed pax?
I'm not doubting the logic here, I'm just curious to see if there is consistent real-world data.
a) really will be cancelled?
b) have existing confirmed pax?
I'm not doubting the logic here, I'm just curious to see if there is consistent real-world data.
Jun 27, 2022, 2:29 pm
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Jun 27, 2022, 2:35 pm
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b) Yes. I'm one of them. Friday July 1 has 377 people booked between 743+745.
I have an existing reservation end July on YYZ-SFO-YYZ on the flights @canadiancow mentioned. Flight was booked 4 days back. I am on the outbound and return so possibility of two canceled, rebooked or equipment change. I have not recd any notification of cancellation or rebooking yet. My booking still shows on AC system.
I'm trying to book a return for the outbound, and I don't want to route through any connecting city, so with the two late non-stops zeroed out, I can't do anything.
Jun 27, 2022, 3:00 pm
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Thanks for the information from Aeroroutes, extremely helpful. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm impacted - booked on AC8790 (PIT-YUL) connecting to AC822 (YUL-BCN) on July 1. AC8790 is completely zeroed out, but of course my booking hasn't been updated. I called AC, but they're telling me they can't change my routing since the flight is still showing in their system. Any suggestions for how to get rebooked proactively? I just don't want to scramble at the last minute since this is the only PIT-YUL flight. Thanks!