May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Dec 17, 2014, 12:04 am
#4246
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
6. I sincerely question the safety of Rouge. When a portion of your passengers can't even sit straight, when they are wedged into seats with impossibly small legroom, I truly question the ability to evacuate an aircraft quickly and effectively. Sure, Rouge's seating is entirely legal and meets required safety standards. But which A319 do you think is safer? One with 120 seats, where seats are configured such that passengers can get in and out of their rows with relative ease? Or one with an additional 22 people crammed on board (but has the same number of doors)? That concerns me.
There are numerous carriers which put more than Rouge's 142 pax in. With most flights operating with PR at 136 seats and the reconfig taking them to a hard cap of 136, the following are some airlines which will need to evacuate out more people through the same number of A319 doors (not counting double-overwing exit models which seat 150 in the same floor space):
Aer Lingus (144)
Air France (142)
Alitalia (138)
Bangkok Airways (144)
Brussles Airlines (141)
Frontier (138)
Germanwings (138-144)
LAN (138-144)
Spirit (145)
TAM (144)
Tiger (144)
Volaris (144)
Vueling (144)
If you want to rally against unsafe evacuation designs, I suggest you start with the CRJ and CRA. I am very nervous seated near the back knowing there is only one direction I can escape from, and if there is a fire between me and all exits onboard (over wings/forward) I'm literally toast. I can't believe it was certified.
Dec 17, 2014, 10:27 am
#4247
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Rouge is enjoying a higher LF than mainline AC, higher than Westjet. Rouge is actively expanding their fleet. Rouge’s financial performance to date is ahead of all expectations. Rouge is re-opening previously cancelled Mainline routes. Rouge’s most direct competitor is losing market share, losing money, shrinking their fleet since Rouge was deployed. No airline competing with Rouge has increased pitch/comfort in Canadian markets to secure “Rouged” AC flyers.
Dec 17, 2014, 11:12 am
#4248
Join Date: May 2014
Programs: AC Elite 50K
Posts: 367
Skytrax ratings and reviews of Rouge are as useful as AC’s press releases on the offering - Air Canada trumpeting the comforts of Rouge is as impactful as Deloris from Moose Jaw claiming Rouge is worse than death because the seat was tight and there was no free food on her big flight to Puerto Vallarta.
Rouge is enjoying a higher LF than mainline AC, higher than Westjet. Rouge is actively expanding their fleet. Rouge’s financial performance to date is ahead of all expectations. Rouge is re-opening previously cancelled Mainline routes. Rouge’s most direct competitor is losing market share, losing money, shrinking their fleet since Rouge was deployed. No airline competing with Rouge has increased pitch/comfort in Canadian markets to secure “Rouged” AC flyers.
Rouge is enjoying a higher LF than mainline AC, higher than Westjet. Rouge is actively expanding their fleet. Rouge’s financial performance to date is ahead of all expectations. Rouge is re-opening previously cancelled Mainline routes. Rouge’s most direct competitor is losing market share, losing money, shrinking their fleet since Rouge was deployed. No airline competing with Rouge has increased pitch/comfort in Canadian markets to secure “Rouged” AC flyers.
AS whacked back its capacity on YVR->LAX - 737s no less. And before rouge they were probably the market leader in terms of seats on that rout. Now rouge is. So AC has gone from playing 3/4 in that market to first. YUL and YYZ to LAS were both boosted substantially over last year. As was CUN, and Orlando etc.
The only reason they didn't transfer 10 more 319s to rouge this fall is because they couldn't secure the replacement 320s and 321s in time. Its simple math folks - in the places it has been deployed it has managed to win back market share. Same with the HD. Using it and rouge to Nice AC substantially boosted France capacity against both AF and Transat and is doing so again. Same for Greece Italy Spain and the UK.
Dec 17, 2014, 11:55 am
#4249
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 394
Its simple math folks - in the places it has been deployed it has managed to win back market share. Same with the HD. Using it and rouge to Nice AC substantially boosted France capacity against both AF and Transat and is doing so again. Same for Greece Italy Spain and the UK.
Dec 17, 2014, 12:00 pm
#4250
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Programs: Air Canada Elite 35; United Gold (maybe Platinum?)
Posts: 1,073
I get why people like to hate on Rouge, but I recently flew it for the first time SFO-YVR in Premium Rouge. On the return, I was on United in "First".
The biggest difference? Yes, United had a bigger seat with more legroom (marginally).
But on Rouge I got a full meal! On United I got chips and bananas.
On rouge I was given an Ipad to watch entertainment if I didn't have my own. On United you require a wi fi enabled plane and their app.
So hate on Rouge for whatever reasons, but the product isn't as bad I thought it was going to be...
The biggest difference? Yes, United had a bigger seat with more legroom (marginally).
But on Rouge I got a full meal! On United I got chips and bananas.
On rouge I was given an Ipad to watch entertainment if I didn't have my own. On United you require a wi fi enabled plane and their app.
So hate on Rouge for whatever reasons, but the product isn't as bad I thought it was going to be...
Dec 17, 2014, 1:49 pm
#4251
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: AC SE, SPG Lifetime Plat, ACMM
Posts: 3,535
Why is Rouge a leisure airline--It charges the same as AC so it should be the same. I suppose they provide a lesser quality of service and that is why it is a leisure airline.
Dec 17, 2014, 2:03 pm
#4252
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
Besides, this whole mainline prices argument stinks. They weren't really mainline prices if they couldn't support mainline service profitably. Rather than viewing it as paying the same as ML to get ACr, perhaps all those years AC operated transitioned routes to the Caribbean, LAS, MCO passengers were paying WS/WG/TS/ACr prices for mainline.
Except for Flex and above fares, mainline is often competitive against most carriers with tango prices (which I bet are the bulk of Y seats). AC clearly doesn't care if tango pax don't feel they are getting as much value as before, and if there were enough J/Y/B/Flex purchasers to care about losing on the route - well it wouldn't have gone Rouge now would it @:-)
Dec 17, 2014, 2:05 pm
#4253
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 394
Yeah, if I was prepared to fly Premium Rouge all the time, I wouldn't be nearly as upset, or if Premium Rouge didn't cost the same (in points or cash) as AC Business. I find it hard to accept flying Premium Rouge when I know what that money on that route used to buy for me.
"Leisure airline" is just a marketing move. It means nothing in reality.
Last edited by tcook052; Dec 17, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Dec 17, 2014, 2:10 pm
#4254
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Programs: United MileagePlus Silver, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 8,798
Problem is, many of us fly economy to the USA out of YVR.
...and those of us in that club fly the competition instead.
Dec 17, 2014, 3:25 pm
#4255
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Join Date: May 1998
Location: Canada
Programs: AC SE 2MM, HH Dd, SPG; IC Pl/A; AA; DL
Posts: 14,324
"So hate on Rouge for whatever reasons, but the product isn't as bad I thought it was going to be... "
I agree--experience was good but the seat is a dealbreaker for me--will fly UA up front (or even in the back on transborder sun destinations) when I have a choice, even if it means a connect. Once Rouge gets better Premium seats, I'll be back I'm sure.
I agree--experience was good but the seat is a dealbreaker for me--will fly UA up front (or even in the back on transborder sun destinations) when I have a choice, even if it means a connect. Once Rouge gets better Premium seats, I'll be back I'm sure.
Dec 17, 2014, 10:33 pm
#4256
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The AC app for Android just got support for rouge IFE. I guess I'll be trying it out on Saturday.
Dec 18, 2014, 12:25 am
#4258
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Dec 18, 2014, 9:57 am
#4259
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Dec 18, 2014, 12:54 pm
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