May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Nov 19, 2014, 12:28 pm
#3961
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Kinda makes sense, the airline that sells Mint transcon for $699 does so because they have to. And when they do, they don't make money. Anxious to make make money, they either charge more (they would if they could) or they cram more seats in and charge the same.
Wonder if the B6 forum is alive with know betters telling them what mistakes they're making, all the passengers they're losing .... a la first 100 pages of this thread.
Nov 19, 2014, 12:36 pm
#3962
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CloudsBelow
To answer your question, here's one from their forum (I'm still trying to stop laughing).
Wait, sounds like I've read this somewhere else....hmmmmmm LOL
To answer your question, here's one from their forum (I'm still trying to stop laughing).
Wait, sounds like I've read this somewhere else....hmmmmmm LOL
Nov 19, 2014, 12:50 pm
#3963
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
JetBlue - the airline with a loyal fan base and admired brand recognition is only able to achieve 6% ROIC. Wow.
Guess new Execs at JetBlue are fine letting another airline win the "Brandie" and "Marketing" awards this year while they look to strengthen their bottom line at the expense of passenger comfort and happiness
Sounds like 2011 Air Canada
Guess new Execs at JetBlue are fine letting another airline win the "Brandie" and "Marketing" awards this year while they look to strengthen their bottom line at the expense of passenger comfort and happiness
Sounds like 2011 Air Canada
Nov 19, 2014, 12:54 pm
#3964
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JetBlue - the airline with a loyal fan base and admired brand recognition is only able to achieve 6% ROIC. Wow.
Guess new Execs at JetBlue are fine letting another airline win the "Brandie" and "Marketing" awards this year while they look to strengthen their bottom line at the expense of passenger comfort and happiness
Sounds like 2011 Air Canada
Guess new Execs at JetBlue are fine letting another airline win the "Brandie" and "Marketing" awards this year while they look to strengthen their bottom line at the expense of passenger comfort and happiness
Sounds like 2011 Air Canada
Falling down laughing
Nov 19, 2014, 5:48 pm
#3965
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 277
Another 767 goes for "enhancing."
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7181
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7181
Nov 20, 2014, 12:43 am
#3966
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The World
Programs: WS Platinum, Marriott Titanium, DL Gold, UA Silver
Posts: 1,478
Suppose this means we won't be seeing so many glowing reviews of B6 and detailed pictures of JetBlue Mint around here?
Kinda makes sense, the airline that sells Mint transcon for $699 does so because they have to. And when they do, they don't make money. Anxious to make make money, they either charge more (they would if they could) or they cram more seats in and charge the same.
Wonder if the B6 forum is alive with know betters telling them what mistakes they're making, all the passengers they're losing .... a la first 100 pages of this thread.
Kinda makes sense, the airline that sells Mint transcon for $699 does so because they have to. And when they do, they don't make money. Anxious to make make money, they either charge more (they would if they could) or they cram more seats in and charge the same.
Wonder if the B6 forum is alive with know betters telling them what mistakes they're making, all the passengers they're losing .... a la first 100 pages of this thread.
Umm, here's an excerpt from one of the articles:
JetBlue also will add more seats to its Airbus A320 aircraft, with the retrofitting expected to begin in mid-2016, according to the airline. Once refitted with newer, slimmer seats, the capacity of those planes will jump to 165 from the current 150. The average "seat pitch" -- or a standard measure of distance between seats -- will decline to about 33 inches, down from more than 34 inches currently.
Wow. A 33" pitch. Their customers will fit quite comfortably in their planes. That certainly sounds like vindication for Rouge to me.
(Not to continue this off topic tangent, but B6's challenges are typically attributed to their thin network and sparse frequencies. Not that they don't offer Spirit/Allegiant/Rouge cabin discomfort.)
Nov 20, 2014, 7:33 am
#3967
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 136
I am amazed when I see posts defending rouge. How is a degraded uncomfortable product that is sold at the same price as mainline good for the consumer in any way?
How can one logically defend paying the same for less???
How can one logically defend paying the same for less???
Nov 20, 2014, 7:38 am
#3968
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,536
Because the alternate was cancelling the flight. It boils down to a question of paying the same for less, or having no flight.
Nov 20, 2014, 7:55 am
#3969
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,987
So even with the enhancements JetBlue will still have a 33.1" seat pitch on its A320s? WOW! Rogue is a disgusting 29" on the A319s is it not?
Nov 20, 2014, 8:08 am
#3970
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: YYT
Programs: AC E35k, HHonors Silver
Posts: 743
I flew Rouge for the first time yesterday but used my pile of eup credits that I can no longer use on TATL travel, to upgrade to Premium Rouge so it was at least tolerable. It's the offering a low cost carrier experience (although even Ryanair in Europe has 1" more seat pitch than Rouge), at the mainline price that really rankles.
Nov 20, 2014, 8:13 am
#3971
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Nov 20, 2014, 8:20 am
#3972
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Not really, I posted the JetBlue headline and quote from their thread because they were funny. To me.
I left it up to you all to interpret it how you wish.
ACrouge and JetBlue are nothing alike. IMHO....while I never disagreed with the idea of AC having another LCC (I still have an old Tango Air ticket in my files), your point about the non-LCC pricing, coupled with the cabin/flight experience of many, will determine success or failure. And most important, the cm of snow we receive.
Nov 20, 2014, 8:39 am
#3973
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 7
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but are there any plans for the A330s to get transferred to Rouge as well? They are slowly getting up there in age and with AC getting 787s pretty regularly now, combined with the 777s, is there a need for them at mainline?
Nov 20, 2014, 9:41 am
#3974
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,536
Initially only the 767 were to be transferred to Rouge.
The A330s have been scheduled to install a PE section to make the entire wide-body product consistent.
However, some of the language in the most recent agreement with the Pilots seems to allow AC to transfer them to Rouge, so there is a door open on that front.
Clear as mud... I know.
Nov 20, 2014, 6:44 pm
#3975
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 136
Just checked YYZ-MBJ return nonstop Feb. 8 to 15.
WestJet $522
rouge $1,107
Low cost indeed.
WestJet $522
rouge $1,107
Low cost indeed.