May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Oct 5, 2014, 4:41 pm
#3812
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: PEI, Canada (YYG)
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I believe he meant that Premium Rouge is like intra-Europe Euro carrier biz class - which in my experience, it is. I recently twice flew BA biz class (LHR-PRG-LHR) and comfort & seat arrangement-wise, it's very much like the Premium Rouge trip I took PHX-YYZ in early August.
Oct 5, 2014, 5:06 pm
#3813
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I believe he meant that Premium Rouge is like intra-Europe Euro carrier biz class - which in my experience, it is. I recently twice flew BA biz class (LHR-PRG-LHR) and comfort & seat arrangement-wise, it's very much like the Premium Rouge trip I took PHX-YYZ in early August.
AC eurobiz is used for 5-5.5 hour flights on YYZ-LAS,PHX,SAN.
Oct 5, 2014, 6:10 pm
#3814
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYZ
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I work for a multi billion dollar telecom company based in Scandinavia - and our policy is that everyone from the CEO on down flys economy. Upgrades are on your own points or co-pay. So yes - I also wonder who exactly is flying paid J these days ! (Maybe government employees flying on our tax dollars ??).
So far the only other place I have received paid J, is one trip to South Africa, but it was about 1000 more than Y. Also doing paid J again to SA after that sale this summer (going in Jan).
What really kills us though is last minute travel, I have done same day bookings to YYZ-PHL/EWR for 1500-2000. That happens because there is an issue, and the higher ups don't question it, I'm sure they just add it to the bill they send clients.
Oct 5, 2014, 7:43 pm
#3815
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Oct 5, 2014, 7:55 pm
#3816
Join Date: May 2014
Programs: AC Elite 50K
Posts: 367
YYZ-LAS is 767 Rouge, no Eurobusiness. The rouge P on the 767 is domestic J narowbody, which I note this winter rolls out to Orlando, Cancun, and many other places.
Oct 5, 2014, 8:25 pm
#3817
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You find that acceptable as a "premium" cabin for that length of time?
What eurobiz airline does a 6 hour flight in Europe? Even TLV/AMM-LHR are shorter.
And 4<6, no?
Oct 5, 2014, 9:31 pm
#3818
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My company's policy gives you a certain dollar amount based on historical T-7 prices for direct flights on the specific route you're looking at.
So it's not TOO difficult to get paid J by booking early or by connecting somewhere, or doing anything else that results in a lower price.
So it's not TOO difficult to get paid J by booking early or by connecting somewhere, or doing anything else that results in a lower price.
Oct 6, 2014, 7:21 am
#3819
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: YUL
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Oct 6, 2014, 8:21 am
#3820
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
How many ways can you make it clear this product doesn't align w/ your travel needs? After being told for the 30th time a product doesn't suit you or your brother, or your neighbour, When does the anti-Rouge narrative shift from your own little personal desires to the bigger picture and the world around?
16 months into service and Rouge is still filling their aircraft at an impressive clip in a competitive marketplace.
The know-betters have had most of their doom-and-gloom theories crushed by reality and are basically reduced to the notion Rouge passengers are once bitten twice shy and won't be back. The YoY S14 numbers seemed to dispell that and I'm assuming the W14 numbers will take care of the Rouge/sun/beach passenger stats soon enough.
To argue the Rouge product missed the market it serves is out of touch ... Whether they have (and will) grown too large is another real issue in my opinion.
Last edited by CloudsBelow; Oct 6, 2014 at 8:28 am
Oct 6, 2014, 8:40 am
#3821
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Really? when? At least one flight a day is a 319 over the entire winter
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.4/Diamond - Timetable/NL]
30th time eh? And youre still reading. Amazing.
Tango was doing well too in their first year
But we will agree on one thing - Rouge is here to stay. Sadly. Thats what the market seems to be ok with.
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.4/Diamond - Timetable/NL]
Code:
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL] LAS Las Vegas McCarran Intl NV US [KLAS] SAT 17 Jan 2015 - 24 Jan 2015 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- AC/## 1855 YUL 07:30 LAS 10:24 319 0 1234567 05:54 - 3 16 Dec 07 Mar
Tango was doing well too in their first year
But we will agree on one thing - Rouge is here to stay. Sadly. Thats what the market seems to be ok with.
Oct 6, 2014, 11:14 am
#3822
Join Date: May 2014
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Really? when? At least one flight a day is a 319 over the entire winter
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.4/Diamond - Timetable/NL]
30th time eh? And youre still reading. Amazing.
Tango was doing well too in their first year
But we will agree on one thing - Rouge is here to stay. Sadly. Thats what the market seems to be ok with.
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.4/Diamond - Timetable/NL]
Code:
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL] LAS Las Vegas McCarran Intl NV US [KLAS] SAT 17 Jan 2015 - 24 Jan 2015 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- AC/## 1855 YUL 07:30 LAS 10:24 319 0 1234567 05:54 - 3 16 Dec 07 Mar
Tango was doing well too in their first year
But we will agree on one thing - Rouge is here to stay. Sadly. Thats what the market seems to be ok with.
But the other poster is also correct. the Original schedule basically had daily 767s on YUL->LAS all year. Instead it seems to have been redeployed to YVR->LAS - which actually makes sense in terms of maximizing aircraft use... But still there are many days between now and the end of April where YUL->LAS is 767.
From what I understand AC had an issue finding enough larger more flexible high payload narrowbodies (airbuses) to its mainline quickly enough. Which meant not enough planes to give rouge as many 319s as planned this year. Which ultimately led to schedule changes. As though under-utilized the EMBs are just not capable (range cargo) of picking up the slack. And oh they're leaving.
Oct 6, 2014, 12:28 pm
#3823
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And, possibly further spurred by the Vancouver-LA market - new entrants or existing passengers upset by A319r offering. Seems like a smart move on AC's part, plus "wide-body" service on a short sector without any other will distract a lot of passengers ... Might be on finals before they realize the tighter pitch
Oct 6, 2014, 1:19 pm
#3824
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I just did TPA-YYZ Rouge.... sure glad I didnt try to upgrade to premium rouge, its NOT EVEB E+ on UA with no middle seat.
The plane was empty and most of the plane had empty middle seats, and even then its horrific seat pitch.
AC "thin seats" have the knees of the passenger behind you, in your back because there is not a solid barrier... another AC fail.
The plane was empty and most of the plane had empty middle seats, and even then its horrific seat pitch.
AC "thin seats" have the knees of the passenger behind you, in your back because there is not a solid barrier... another AC fail.
Oct 6, 2014, 4:34 pm
#3825
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I recall that as well, and also recall the gleeful Air Canada PR crowing about what a glowing success "ZIP" was, too!
(I'd be thrilled with either a Tango or a ZIP aircraft rather than Rouge's LegCrusher(TM) 319. Only one more RT on Rouge for me until I am officially Rouge-free for good. My kneecaps are looking forward to it.)
(I'd be thrilled with either a Tango or a ZIP aircraft rather than Rouge's LegCrusher(TM) 319. Only one more RT on Rouge for me until I am officially Rouge-free for good. My kneecaps are looking forward to it.)
Last edited by FlyerJ; Oct 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm