Mini RTW Questions
Apr 25, 2013, 1:54 pm
#1066
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
It's only done by outbound/return, so do one at a time.
I think if you are only over by "a few" miles (like under 100-200) they MIGHT let it slip by. I was over at one point and they allowed the routing. Maybe depends on the agent.
I think if you are only over by "a few" miles (like under 100-200) they MIGHT let it slip by. I was over at one point and they allowed the routing. Maybe depends on the agent.
Apr 25, 2013, 2:01 pm
#1067
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
I'm trying to plan out my first Mini-RTW and have a couple questions. I'm trying to do a trip from YWG, and want to hit LVI (Zambia) and DXB (Dubai), and then a 3rd stop that I'm flexible on (say Capetown). This is my first shot at an itinerary:
YWG-YYZ
YYZ-JFK
JFK-JNB
JNB-LVI (stop)
LVI-MQP
MQP-CPT (turn)
CPT-DXB (stop)
DXB-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-YWG
I think MPM for YWG-CPT is 11,374.
Is the MPM calculation for the whole trip, or for each "half". Do I just need to make sure my entire itinerary is within MPM*1.05 of YWG-CPT-YWG (23,884), or do I need to constrain each half of my itinerary before and after the turn to be within 11,942?
The itinerary above is over the total MPM (23,884) by 194 miles. Any ideas on tweaks to make it legal? Worst case I'll set the turn to be JNB and just book separate tix JNB-LVI-JNB.
YWG-YYZ
YYZ-JFK
JFK-JNB
JNB-LVI (stop)
LVI-MQP
MQP-CPT (turn)
CPT-DXB (stop)
DXB-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-YWG
I think MPM for YWG-CPT is 11,374.
Is the MPM calculation for the whole trip, or for each "half". Do I just need to make sure my entire itinerary is within MPM*1.05 of YWG-CPT-YWG (23,884), or do I need to constrain each half of my itinerary before and after the turn to be within 11,942?
The itinerary above is over the total MPM (23,884) by 194 miles. Any ideas on tweaks to make it legal? Worst case I'll set the turn to be JNB and just book separate tix JNB-LVI-JNB.
Apr 25, 2013, 2:50 pm
#1068
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: AC SE100K, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Fairmont Platinum, National Exec Elite
Posts: 56
MPM is one way. YWG-YYZ-JFK-JNB-LVI-MQP-CPT is 11,441 according to gcmap. Is 11,374 MPM zero, or MPM5? If MPM5, then 5% is already there, and your itinerary exceeds allowed MPM. If 11,374 is MPM zero, then you are fine for outbound. You return is 12,637 which is over MPM and would not work. I don't think it is possible to squeeze LVI and DXB in one award.
If I make the turn in JNB instead of CPT I think that will help. JNB is slightly farther from YWG than CPT (68 miles), so I assume the MPM will be at least as high if not higher. It's also closer to DXB (765 miles).
YWG-YYZ
YYZ-JFK
JFK-JNB (turn) [9272 miles]
* separate paid ticket JNB-LVI-JNB
JNB-DXB (stop)
DXB-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-YWG [11,873 miles]
Thoughts? This way I have an extra stop too, so I could hang out in NYC or FRA for a few days I suppose.
Apr 25, 2013, 5:11 pm
#1069
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
11,374 is MPM0. 11,942 is MPM5.
If I make the turn in JNB instead of CPT I think that will help. JNB is slightly farther from YWG than CPT (68 miles), so I assume the MPM will be at least as high if not higher. It's also closer to DXB (765 miles).
YWG-YYZ
YYZ-JFK
JFK-JNB (turn) [9272 miles]
* separate paid ticket JNB-LVI-JNB
JNB-DXB (stop)
DXB-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-YWG [11,873 miles]
Thoughts? This way I have an extra stop too, so I could hang out in NYC or FRA for a few days I suppose.
If I make the turn in JNB instead of CPT I think that will help. JNB is slightly farther from YWG than CPT (68 miles), so I assume the MPM will be at least as high if not higher. It's also closer to DXB (765 miles).
YWG-YYZ
YYZ-JFK
JFK-JNB (turn) [9272 miles]
* separate paid ticket JNB-LVI-JNB
JNB-DXB (stop)
DXB-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-YWG [11,873 miles]
Thoughts? This way I have an extra stop too, so I could hang out in NYC or FRA for a few days I suppose.
Apr 25, 2013, 8:13 pm
#1070
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: YYC
Programs: Aeroplan E50K, Marriott Titanium/Lifetime Platinum, Accor Diamond
Posts: 274
Just wondering if anyone can give me their 2 cents re: a schedule change in my mini RTW that I booked a few months ago for July. The itinerary is as follows:
YOW-YYZ - AC Y
YYZ-ORD - UA J
ORD-NRT - NH F
NRT-HKG - NH J
HKG-BKK - TG F
BKK-MUC - TG F
MUC-VIE - OS J
VIE-FRA - OS J
FRA-ORD - UA F
ORD-YOW - UA J
Every once in awhile I check my itinerary to make sure there haven't been any schedule changes and when I checked the other day, the AE website wouldn't let me pull it up which based on past experience usually means some sort of itinerary change, thus I checked all of the flights and it appears that my YYZ-ORD on UA J has been downgraded to Y only and the timing has changed slightly.
Given that I think I will be making another couple itinerary changes including changing the FRA-ORD to LH F when it finally opens up a few weeks out, do you think I will be able to make multiple changes under the guise of the original downgauge and not have to pay the change fee? I realize that UA Y isn't the worst case scenario for a less than 2 hr flight, however, since I am entitled to and initially booked J, I shouldn't have an issue requesting the change to an earlier flight on AC without paying for any YQ.
YOW-YYZ - AC Y
YYZ-ORD - UA J
ORD-NRT - NH F
NRT-HKG - NH J
HKG-BKK - TG F
BKK-MUC - TG F
MUC-VIE - OS J
VIE-FRA - OS J
FRA-ORD - UA F
ORD-YOW - UA J
Every once in awhile I check my itinerary to make sure there haven't been any schedule changes and when I checked the other day, the AE website wouldn't let me pull it up which based on past experience usually means some sort of itinerary change, thus I checked all of the flights and it appears that my YYZ-ORD on UA J has been downgraded to Y only and the timing has changed slightly.
Given that I think I will be making another couple itinerary changes including changing the FRA-ORD to LH F when it finally opens up a few weeks out, do you think I will be able to make multiple changes under the guise of the original downgauge and not have to pay the change fee? I realize that UA Y isn't the worst case scenario for a less than 2 hr flight, however, since I am entitled to and initially booked J, I shouldn't have an issue requesting the change to an earlier flight on AC without paying for any YQ.
Apr 25, 2013, 8:26 pm
#1071
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
Just wondering if anyone can give me their 2 cents re: a schedule change in my mini RTW that I booked a few months ago for July. The itinerary is as follows:
YOW-YYZ - AC Y
YYZ-ORD - UA J
ORD-NRT - NH F
NRT-HKG - NH J
HKG-BKK - TG F
BKK-MUC - TG F
MUC-VIE - OS J
VIE-FRA - OS J
FRA-ORD - UA F
ORD-YOW - UA J
Every once in awhile I check my itinerary to make sure there haven't been any schedule changes and when I checked the other day, the AE website wouldn't let me pull it up which based on past experience usually means some sort of itinerary change, thus I checked all of the flights and it appears that my YYZ-ORD on UA J has been downgraded to Y only and the timing has changed slightly.
Given that I think I will be making another couple itinerary changes including changing the FRA-ORD to LH F when it finally opens up a few weeks out, do you think I will be able to make multiple changes under the guise of the original downgauge and not have to pay the change fee? I realize that UA Y isn't the worst case scenario for a less than 2 hr flight, however, since I am entitled to and initially booked J, I shouldn't have an issue requesting the change to an earlier flight on AC without paying for any YQ.
YOW-YYZ - AC Y
YYZ-ORD - UA J
ORD-NRT - NH F
NRT-HKG - NH J
HKG-BKK - TG F
BKK-MUC - TG F
MUC-VIE - OS J
VIE-FRA - OS J
FRA-ORD - UA F
ORD-YOW - UA J
Every once in awhile I check my itinerary to make sure there haven't been any schedule changes and when I checked the other day, the AE website wouldn't let me pull it up which based on past experience usually means some sort of itinerary change, thus I checked all of the flights and it appears that my YYZ-ORD on UA J has been downgraded to Y only and the timing has changed slightly.
Given that I think I will be making another couple itinerary changes including changing the FRA-ORD to LH F when it finally opens up a few weeks out, do you think I will be able to make multiple changes under the guise of the original downgauge and not have to pay the change fee? I realize that UA Y isn't the worst case scenario for a less than 2 hr flight, however, since I am entitled to and initially booked J, I shouldn't have an issue requesting the change to an earlier flight on AC without paying for any YQ.
Apr 26, 2013, 12:58 am
#1072
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BRN + CGN
Programs: AC Peon / Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 107
Yeah doesn't look too good:
However, I believe ZRH-NRT-SIN is a published routing, so you should be able to do that.
On the way back, SIN-MLE-IST-ZRH is completely legal and you should have no issue with it.
The really frustrating thing is that SIN-BKK-MLE-IST-ZRH falls within MPM, but there is no BKK-MLE flight on *A, so you can't get there! AAaaaaand you can't even do an open jaw SIN->MLE, because you'd need to buy SIN-BKK and BKK-MLE, which will probably get pretty expensive, and you might as well just buy SIN-BKK-SIN.
I can't think of any way of fitting BKK into that routing - sorry
maybe someone has a crazy idea that I cannot see.
Code:
ZRHSIN-** 23APR13
TICKETED POINT SURCHARGES APPLY.
GI M 5M 10M 15M 20M 25M
MPM EH 8010 8410 8811 9211 9612 10012
MPM TS 11203 11763 12323 12883 13443 14003
Code:
ZRHBKK-** 23APR13
TICKETED POINT SURCHARGES APPLY.
GI M 5M 10M 15M 20M 25M
MPM EH 7207 7567 7927 8288 8648 9008
MPM TS 10671 11204 11738 12271 12805 13338
On the way back, SIN-MLE-IST-ZRH is completely legal and you should have no issue with it.
The really frustrating thing is that SIN-BKK-MLE-IST-ZRH falls within MPM, but there is no BKK-MLE flight on *A, so you can't get there! AAaaaaand you can't even do an open jaw SIN->MLE, because you'd need to buy SIN-BKK and BKK-MLE, which will probably get pretty expensive, and you might as well just buy SIN-BKK-SIN.
I can't think of any way of fitting BKK into that routing - sorry
maybe someone has a crazy idea that I cannot see.Actually, I wanted to use SIN as our base in SE Asia so now I just need to convince the wife-to-be. I will entice her with the prospect of chili crab.
A follow question: How I can check if ZRH-NRT-SIN is a published route? And does a layover in IST impact it?
Apr 26, 2013, 5:35 am
#1073
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
I think someone mentioned it upthread and it's also on ExpertFlyer and it's also somewhat logical for NH. I'll look it up on EF today though. But yeah, if you go to IST it breaks the routing. So you can't do it on the outbound, but you could on the return.
May 3, 2013, 3:57 pm
#1074
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC-ELITE 50K
Posts: 66
multiple stops
Hi,
With aeroplan can you do multiple stops
EG
OUTGOING YUL-EWR-PBI-LAS-HNL
RETURNING HNL-EWR-YUL
With aeroplan can you do multiple stops
EG
OUTGOING YUL-EWR-PBI-LAS-HNL
RETURNING HNL-EWR-YUL
May 3, 2013, 4:01 pm
#1075
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
28.1. Between Canada/Cont. USA and Hawaii/Puerto Rico/Mexico/Central America/Caribbean:
26.2.1. Rule for rewards containing a minimum of one flight on a Star Alliance partner other than Air Canada: One stopover is permitted in addition to the point of turnaround. One open jaw is permitted in addition to the one stopover.
26.2.1. Rule for rewards containing a minimum of one flight on a Star Alliance partner other than Air Canada: One stopover is permitted in addition to the point of turnaround. One open jaw is permitted in addition to the one stopover.
https://www3.aeroplan.com/terms_and_...tion=rewardair
May 4, 2013, 9:02 pm
#1076
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: YYZ
Posts: 23
Looking for a little help in reviewing the following itinerary I found (all in Y):
YYZ-CAI MS
CAI-KUL MS (Stop)
KUL-SIN SQ
SIN-SYD SQ (Turnaround)
SYD-AKL NZ (Stop)
AKL-LAX NZ
LAX-ORD UA
ORD-YYZ AC
I'm not entirely clear on the MPM rules and am worried the mileage on the inbound portion to SYD might be too high. For those that have a better understanding than I: just by eyeballing it, am I okay here, or is it way over?
Also, would it be permissible to do an open jaw by removing the KUL-SIN portion? If the open jaw is possible here, I was thinking of taking an Air Asia flight KUL-SIN to spend a little more time in SIN.
Thanks!
YYZ-CAI MS
CAI-KUL MS (Stop)
KUL-SIN SQ
SIN-SYD SQ (Turnaround)
SYD-AKL NZ (Stop)
AKL-LAX NZ
LAX-ORD UA
ORD-YYZ AC
I'm not entirely clear on the MPM rules and am worried the mileage on the inbound portion to SYD might be too high. For those that have a better understanding than I: just by eyeballing it, am I okay here, or is it way over?
Also, would it be permissible to do an open jaw by removing the KUL-SIN portion? If the open jaw is possible here, I was thinking of taking an Air Asia flight KUL-SIN to spend a little more time in SIN.
Thanks!
May 4, 2013, 9:31 pm
#1077
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,312
It seems that anything going thru SIN is valid via the Atlantic, so based on past experiences, you should be ok.
May 5, 2013, 2:39 pm
#1078
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: YYZ
Posts: 23
Thanks for the info, just booked this itinerary! This forum has been a huge help in getting it put together.
May 5, 2013, 3:24 pm
#1079
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Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,312
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...ineraries.html
I hope youre not a boozer - no booze on MS
May 28, 2013, 10:32 am
#1080
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: YOW
Programs: AC Irrelevant, IHG Platinum, Marriot Gold, Hertz Gold, Avis First
Posts: 273
Are the 3 Moscow airports considered the same city? I'm guessing yes since the NYC airports are.....
I'm thinking of doing the following and wondering if someone can advise if it's valid:
YUL-ZRH-DME(destination)VKO-TXL(Stop)-DBV(Stop)-ZRH-YUL
Thanks.
I'm thinking of doing the following and wondering if someone can advise if it's valid:
YUL-ZRH-DME(destination)VKO-TXL(Stop)-DBV(Stop)-ZRH-YUL
Thanks.