YYZ-SYD is about 300 miles further than YYZ-SIN using GCMap so 15k as the MPM for SIN seems reasonable.

(As a side note, I checked it by searching YYZ-YVR-SIN and pulling the MPM using the PoT JavaScript popup)

I understand that it's free right now to do a cancellation of an itinerary. Is it also free to do a change?

The reason I'm asking is because there is a return leg that I want to change my itinerary to. But I have an outbound leg that I don't want to lose and it doesn't show any availability anymore on AP.

I'm not sure if I should take a chance of canceling my whole intinerary and then just hope that the outbound will get put back ton the search results?

Thanks Jonah. Yes, it work. After 1hour 20' waiting time I just feed the lady segment by segment, she said they're running 2 systems as the same time now, and just try to see which one will work, she even wave the $30 booking fee for me.

I don't mean to say it's not possible, just not common. I'm typically not buying intercontinental full-fare tickets (which are the only cases I've personally seen MPM-based fares).

Regardless, those numbers have nothing to do with Aeroplan bookings.

This is great to see, that you got a nice agent to waive the booking fee. It just goes to show it�s not always a cut and dry �NO� answer. Never hurts to ask. Thanks for coming back to follow up with your good outcome.

I�m curious to know if the two segments were over different days and how long is the layover in TPE?

Most folks don't look at MPM on revenue tickets but I have also seen on non full-fare restricted fares. Above is an example of one-way MPM based on business restricted Z return fare.

So what is AE's YYZ-SIN MPM and is it different than what's in AC fare? OP said AE agent quoted just over 11k and I noted 11,238.

Here is the flight detail:

Nov 12 00:45 Vancouver (YVR) - Nov 13 05:35 Taipei (TPE)
Nov 13 09:15 Taipei (TPE) - Nov 13 11:35 Hanoi (HAN)
(Time to Connect : 3h 40 min)

I also used the JSON hack. But in my case I used a TATL route through Europe, with YYZ-FRA-SIN-YYZ, and the same MPM value for YYZ-SIN is revealed, 15441 miles.


AFAIK, this hack was first publicly revealed here at Flyertalk at this thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html


PoT saw it here and re-posted it at his blog. Not a big deal, but I just feel like giving credit where it's due, and it should go to FT'er Flyer1234.

This will be sad if it�s true that these MPM numbers are no longer good estimates to follow, if indeed they will be much lower, post-Amadeus.

hi, if I go from yyz--icn--hkg and come back hkg--nrt--yyz, will that be ok for a mini rtw trip? thank you.

If you are planning to fly only YYZ-ICN-HKG-NRT-YYZ then yes that's a valid routing. HKG is POT and you'll be allowed 1 stopover in either ICN or NRT (or YVR if you are connecting). If ICN is your stopover, you can plan your flights to transit NRT/YVR <24hrs which is allowed. BTW I wouldn't call your routing mini rtw as you're only flying through pacific.

Aeroplan�s MPM is definitely different (higher) than what you�ve shown in the AC fare.

I've just validated a mock booking at Aeroplan.com, with a route of YYZ-IAD-ADD-JNB-SIN,SIN-TPE-YYZ. The outbound is 15,436 mi

If if I try to make a similar routing, swapping out IAD with ORD (YYZ-ORD-ADD-JNB-SIN) then this outbound is 15,911 mi, and will NOT validate.

So the JSON hack value of 15,441 for YYZ-SIN MPM is close to the 'truth'.

AFAIK, there is a bit of wiggle room in the MPM, dependent on your layover airports. I've tried different airports to get to the same POT and when I thought I was over the value that the JSON hack revealed, the phone agent said it STILL validated, and informed me that it was slightly higher than the (dynamic) MPM of my other itineraries, due to the different routing.

Apolgogies for bending it around again like a pretzel, but can some kind soul give an answer or two to the questions I had posed earlier, quoted above. I feel like I should know these things but I�ve been loose in my memory lately.

Thanks and cheers.
JJJ

Called Aeroplan yesterday to try making a booking again, this time Bangalore as the POT. She first came back to me and said this type of booking is not possible since November, but I told her that she should have two systems available to use, so she checked with her colleague, and her colleague gave her the green light, so I was able to book the following!

YYZ-ATL-IST-BEY-CAI-JED-BOM-COK-BLR

BLR-MAA-SIN-ICN-NRT

HND-ORD-YYZ

150k miles + $330 in taxes per person in J

thank you. is only one stopover allowed now? one more question: after the end of June, will the aeroplan booking engine be the same or it gonna be different?

Yes only one stopover but you can have multiple layovers <24hrs. Program will be revamped sometime this year (originally planned for summer but could get delayed) hence can't say if booking engine will be same or different.