Mini RTW Questions
#7246




Join Date: Jan 2019
Programs: aeroplan
Posts: 10
Last year we flew YYZ-TPE-SIN (Stopover), then SIN-PER (destination). Flew back PER-SIN-TPE-YYZ all in one go (brutal ..normally would have spit that up but had limited time for the trip) Taxes and fees were only $387.32 for the 2 of us.
I believe SQ has cut dramatically their SIN-PER route so may be hard to get now.
I believe SQ has cut dramatically their SIN-PER route so may be hard to get now.
#7247
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Atlantic Canada
Posts: 130
I just booked your example of KUL-TPE-YYZ on BR in J.
It's encoded as G1.
From https://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/...ture-levy.html:
"Passengers will be able to view the departure levy amount reflected on all Malaysia Airlines Internet Booking Engine (IBE) for tickets purchased on and after 1 September 2019 (The tax code for departure levy is G1)."
G1 is also the KKC.
So it's just a display issue on Aeroplan. The amount is correct.
Now I am refunding my ticket.
It's encoded as G1.
From https://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/...ture-levy.html:
"Passengers will be able to view the departure levy amount reflected on all Malaysia Airlines Internet Booking Engine (IBE) for tickets purchased on and after 1 September 2019 (The tax code for departure levy is G1)."
G1 is also the KKC.
So it's just a display issue on Aeroplan. The amount is correct.
Now I am refunding my ticket.
#7248
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: YQB / YOW
Programs: AE / MR
Posts: 55
Looking for some help:
Had my mRTW booked from April 29 through June 14 under the old rules (2 stopovers + destinations). It has become quite clear that my destinations are "impossible" to do (work pressures and other reasons) and I am therefore looking to move it further down this year when the situation stabilizes. Original itinerary (60K to Europe in Y) was booked August 2019, but then the points were refunded and rebooked as a proper 160K mRTW in J. Will I be allowed to postpone my trip to September 2020 or they are gonna say its invalid and be forced to cancel?
Current itinerary is YOW-YVR-NRT-ICN-SYD-ICN-PVG-HEL-CPH-TXL-FRA-VCE-ZRH-YUL-YOW.
Had my mRTW booked from April 29 through June 14 under the old rules (2 stopovers + destinations). It has become quite clear that my destinations are "impossible" to do (work pressures and other reasons) and I am therefore looking to move it further down this year when the situation stabilizes. Original itinerary (60K to Europe in Y) was booked August 2019, but then the points were refunded and rebooked as a proper 160K mRTW in J. Will I be allowed to postpone my trip to September 2020 or they are gonna say its invalid and be forced to cancel?
Current itinerary is YOW-YVR-NRT-ICN-SYD-ICN-PVG-HEL-CPH-TXL-FRA-VCE-ZRH-YUL-YOW.
#7249
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Location: Canada
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Looking for some help:
Had my mRTW booked from April 29 through June 14 under the old rules (2 stopovers + destinations). It has become quite clear that my destinations are "impossible" to do (work pressures and other reasons) and I am therefore looking to move it further down this year when the situation stabilizes. Original itinerary (60K to Europe in Y) was booked August 2019, but then the points were refunded and rebooked as a proper 160K mRTW in J. Will I be allowed to postpone my trip to September 2020 or they are gonna say its invalid and be forced to cancel?
Current itinerary is YOW-YVR-NRT-ICN-SYD-ICN-PVG-HEL-CPH-TXL-FRA-VCE-ZRH-YUL-YOW.
Had my mRTW booked from April 29 through June 14 under the old rules (2 stopovers + destinations). It has become quite clear that my destinations are "impossible" to do (work pressures and other reasons) and I am therefore looking to move it further down this year when the situation stabilizes. Original itinerary (60K to Europe in Y) was booked August 2019, but then the points were refunded and rebooked as a proper 160K mRTW in J. Will I be allowed to postpone my trip to September 2020 or they are gonna say its invalid and be forced to cancel?
Current itinerary is YOW-YVR-NRT-ICN-SYD-ICN-PVG-HEL-CPH-TXL-FRA-VCE-ZRH-YUL-YOW.
I suspect all 3 stop mRTWs not flown will expire in August - and you will have to book one under the new rules, but I d love to be proven otherwise.
#7250
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: YQB / YOW
Programs: AE / MR
Posts: 55
Looking at my tickets, the date of issue remained August 21st 2019, so the 12 months "expiration" would be August also...
#7251


Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: YYZ
Posts: 416
unfortunately i can attest that you are right. I had a 3 stop itinerary booked last June to travel in April to Asia, with the current situation postponed this trip to Aug and was told by agent i'd only have 1 stop available to me as the new travel dates were past the original booking date of June.
#7252
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: YQB / YOW
Programs: AE / MR
Posts: 55
unfortunately i can attest that you are right. I had a 3 stop itinerary booked last June to travel in April to Asia, with the current situation postponed this trip to Aug and was told by agent i'd only have 1 stop available to me as the new travel dates were past the original booking date of June.
EDIT: I am still looking to rebook by flights, though it will be for the mid-June through end of August. I already pieced a few "good" flights to get my first half done, though it is definitely gonna increase my taxes on the trip. At this point, I cannot "afford" to be picky, so it seems like I'll move from 18CPP to maybe 10-12CPP... Oh well.
Last edited by don_drapper; Mar 14, 2020 at 12:51 pm Reason: Updated
#7253
Join Date: Aug 2019
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 11
Asked this in the corona virus thread but thought someone here may also have some insight as I was on a mrtw. Is it possible to change the travel date from April 2 to March 31 with aeroplan if my initial flight was rescheduled to now leave an hour early. I know that often free date changes to flights without award availability can be made if lets say connection is too short etc and that aeroplan will actually buy a seat from partners, but what about this scenario? Reason we are hopeful is that one of us is in J for March 31 and second person whose flight time got changed is in J April 2 but would like to travel together. There is no availability on March 31 but wondering if aeroplan would do it if we called and asked?
#7254
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Asked this in the corona virus thread but thought someone here may also have some insight as I was on a mrtw. Is it possible to change the travel date from April 2 to March 31 with aeroplan if my initial flight was rescheduled to now leave an hour early. I know that often free date changes to flights without award availability can be made if lets say connection is too short etc and that aeroplan will actually buy a seat from partners, but what about this scenario? Reason we are hopeful is that one of us is in J for March 31 and second person whose flight time got changed is in J April 2 but would like to travel together. There is no availability on March 31 but wondering if aeroplan would do it if we called and asked?
Like 99.5% if it's with air canada, 100% if it's on a partner.
#7255
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: YQB / YOW
Programs: AE / MR
Posts: 55
Called Aeroplan earlier today. Was on the phone for almost 3 hours but was able to swap all my flights and push my trip later this summer. Hopefully things get better by then.
Regarding reservations, I have a few flights with AC (YOW-YYZ-HND), but also a few with SQ. I am Silver Elite with SQ (therefore SA Silver) through status match while I have no Altitude level with AC. Is there any point in putting my Aeroplan number on my reservation versus my SQ number? I would assume that neither will accumulate mileage or segments but I guess in the event of someone being bumped it can help?
Regarding reservations, I have a few flights with AC (YOW-YYZ-HND), but also a few with SQ. I am Silver Elite with SQ (therefore SA Silver) through status match while I have no Altitude level with AC. Is there any point in putting my Aeroplan number on my reservation versus my SQ number? I would assume that neither will accumulate mileage or segments but I guess in the event of someone being bumped it can help?
#7256
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Called Aeroplan earlier today. Was on the phone for almost 3 hours but was able to swap all my flights and push my trip later this summer. Hopefully things get better by then.
Regarding reservations, I have a few flights with AC (YOW-YYZ-HND), but also a few with SQ. I am Silver Elite with SQ (therefore SA Silver) through status match while I have no Altitude level with AC. Is there any point in putting my Aeroplan number on my reservation versus my SQ number? I would assume that neither will accumulate mileage or segments but I guess in the event of someone being bumped it can help?
Regarding reservations, I have a few flights with AC (YOW-YYZ-HND), but also a few with SQ. I am Silver Elite with SQ (therefore SA Silver) through status match while I have no Altitude level with AC. Is there any point in putting my Aeroplan number on my reservation versus my SQ number? I would assume that neither will accumulate mileage or segments but I guess in the event of someone being bumped it can help?
#7257
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Location: Canada
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#7258
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: YQB / YOW
Programs: AE / MR
Posts: 55
I moved it to the utter limit of the 12 months from original booking (August 21, 2019 - Arriving August 19 2020). I did not ask if it was possible to move it further down. Worst comes to worst, I'll cancel it closer to departure and take the hit of the cancellation fee. All I can say is the rep seemed to believe or has been told that you cannot modify a three-stop trip without losing the third stop (this was corrected by the supervisor however). Other than that I had no issue feeding segment-by-segment to the rep. Didn't have to justify / explain anything.
#7259



Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 73
3-stop mRTW booking changes/delays
Just had an interesting call from Aeroplan (yes, they called me - anyone else had this today?) - effectively trying to convince me to cancel my old-3stop-rule mRTW trip at the end of April.
My domestic leg has been cancelled, so they did offer to rebook me on a different domestic flight, but really they were trying to persuade me to cancel entirely.
Presumably because in June when they announce the new program not only will it only be 2 stops instead of three, but those points will also be worth far less, so they get a huge liability off their books.
The woman also explicitly pointed out that the mRTW trip was booked right before the change to 2 stops, so obviously that's why I booked it then - I said yes, of course it was. (Last I checked it's not against the rules to book something before you change the rules)
I asked pointedly whether if I cancelled they would provide an exception and allow me to have 3 stops when I rebook and got a firm no back, saying that it was out of their control, their system only allows 2 stops now, etc.
I pointed out that that isn't really out of their control - that's their rule that they've set, and their system that they've programmed, but no luck.
Options now seem to be to change dates for sometime in August (1 year from original booking). I asked what would happen if by August we were still in the same situation, and they said, well you can always cancel it then.
They also said that we're unable to make any changes to the routing only the dates - that seems like a new rule - anyone run into that? Could she have meant we can't change the destinations, but the routing to those destinations could be changed? I wasn't able to get a clear answer from her on this.
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Update:
Just had *another* call from another agent who clarified that changes to routing ARE permitted. Still not budging on the 1-year requirement.
I'm aware that's a ticketing restriction, but they could easily get around that by allowing for a one-off exemption to the new mRTW trip rules (ie, instead of changing the booking, just cancel it and immediately book a new one with a new ticket issuing date).
My domestic leg has been cancelled, so they did offer to rebook me on a different domestic flight, but really they were trying to persuade me to cancel entirely.
Presumably because in June when they announce the new program not only will it only be 2 stops instead of three, but those points will also be worth far less, so they get a huge liability off their books.
The woman also explicitly pointed out that the mRTW trip was booked right before the change to 2 stops, so obviously that's why I booked it then - I said yes, of course it was. (Last I checked it's not against the rules to book something before you change the rules)
I asked pointedly whether if I cancelled they would provide an exception and allow me to have 3 stops when I rebook and got a firm no back, saying that it was out of their control, their system only allows 2 stops now, etc.
I pointed out that that isn't really out of their control - that's their rule that they've set, and their system that they've programmed, but no luck.
Options now seem to be to change dates for sometime in August (1 year from original booking). I asked what would happen if by August we were still in the same situation, and they said, well you can always cancel it then.
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Update:
Just had *another* call from another agent who clarified that changes to routing ARE permitted. Still not budging on the 1-year requirement.
I'm aware that's a ticketing restriction, but they could easily get around that by allowing for a one-off exemption to the new mRTW trip rules (ie, instead of changing the booking, just cancel it and immediately book a new one with a new ticket issuing date).
Last edited by peteremcc; Apr 3, 2020 at 2:17 pm Reason: Update
#7260
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Do you know something we don't?
This has been explicitly debunked by Mark Nasr.
Once again, do you know something we don't?
If that was their goal, they'd want you to fly right now, not cancel and leave the points there.
This has been explicitly debunked by Mark Nasr.
Once again, do you know something we don't?
If that was their goal, they'd want you to fly right now, not cancel and leave the points there.
Last edited by tcook052; Apr 4, 2020 at 3:46 am Reason: snark

