Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Jun 11, 2018, 7:45 am
#121
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What I do wonder about is how UA is handling its high-end corporate accounts. Many of those include the ability to substitute another passenger. Thus, when employee #1 is sick, employee #2 travels and the ticket is simply reissued in #2 's name. If that's the case for BE (or inflexible), would make it less of a bad business decision.
Safe Travels,
James
Jun 11, 2018, 8:08 am
#122
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For elites, aren't these fares essentially of no consequence? You get all the existing benefits (E+, miles/PQM/PQD, free bags). The ability to change is something you pay for anyway (higher fares --> more flexibility) and unless you're willing to pay for a W (or S if miles) you're not using a GPU anyway. It's not like the domestic economy basic fares . . .
Jun 11, 2018, 8:58 am
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I am a little confused by this - especially the no SDC and W and no-upgrade parts. I wonder if they had to do a lot of work to re-program the system(s) - you would think it was looking at only the class before. Now, the system(s) have to look at the fare class too? Also, I can just see agents getting confused and deny SDC/GPUs for US-originated W fares.
The complete fare basis code is now the most useful instrument to quickly gauge key aspects of a fare.
Well, that's probably true. I don't look forward to having to explain how to figure out MileagePlus partner earnings once that happens... :/ "If you're flying OS, and the third letter of your fare basis is Q, but the last letter is N, use table 4 from the OS page, but..." 
... initially
Jun 11, 2018, 9:30 am
#124
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Another part of the problem is that we can't really tell the fare rules of our reservations easily once it is done. They should really find a way to let us do that easily from Manage Reservations if using fare basis to determine travel rules (bags, SDC) is going to be the trend.
To anyone who thinks UA will stop here, think again. Full international basic economy probably will probably be next.
To anyone who thinks UA will stop here, think again. Full international basic economy probably will probably be next.
Jun 11, 2018, 9:36 am
#125
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For elites, aren't these fares essentially of no consequence? You get all the existing benefits (E+, miles/PQM/PQD, free bags). The ability to change is something you pay for anyway (higher fares --> more flexibility) and unless you're willing to pay for a W (or S if miles) you're not using a GPU anyway. It's not like the domestic economy basic fares . . .
F, along with J and Y, seem to be pretty "untouchable", and I don't expect F to be reused for anything that is not 3-cabin First class as long as there is a First Class product somewhere in the alliance. Other *A carriers that don't offer 3-cabin flights don't use F either. Additionally, the future may bring the return of INTL F, or even something like Premium Business, to UA one day, who knows.
Sadly, this is probably true as well, although I can't come up with a reason that UA would have implemented the existing, hybrid system for partner flights if they had the ability to go 100% revenue-based.
Jun 11, 2018, 9:37 am
#126
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I don't know what kind of fares you're buying, but my TPAC and TATLs pretty consistently cost over $1200. So let's do the math.
- Regular economy ticket (Changeable with fee - assume $300, though that can vary): I'm able to salvage the equivalent of $900 in residual value ($1200 ticket value, less $300 in new money).
- LGT fare (completely non-changeable): I lose the entire $1200 if I need to make a change.
Jun 11, 2018, 11:10 am
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For elites, aren't these fares essentially of no consequence? You get all the existing benefits (E+, miles/PQM/PQD, free bags). The ability to change is something you pay for anyway (higher fares --> more flexibility) and unless you're willing to pay for a W (or S if miles) you're not using a GPU anyway. It's not like the domestic economy basic fares . . .
I don't know what kind of fares you're buying, but my TPAC and TATLs pretty consistently cost over $1200. So let's do the math.
- Regular economy ticket (Changeable with fee - assume $300, though that can vary): I'm able to salvage the equivalent of $900 in residual value ($1200 ticket value, less $300 in new money).
- LGT fare (completely non-changeable): I lose the entire $1200 if I need to make a change.
I doubt this affects corporate travelers all that much (other than perhaps lack of upgrades).
Jun 11, 2018, 11:46 am
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Jun 11, 2018, 12:52 pm
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(Like you said, though, we are able to transfer changeable tickets to another employee.)
Jul 2, 2018, 12:29 am
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This may have been answered already, but I've got a question related to Silver/CC perks and the new international no checked bag rules.
So I'm looking at flying to Budapest from SFO this fall with the outbound being UA/LX and the return on LH (booked through United). I know that the new "first bag charge" economy still gives a free checked bag for Premier Silver and credit card holders, so should be fine on the outbound. But on the return will I still get the free checked bag with LH, or will they try to charge me? I couldn't find what LH fare codes correspond to their new "economy light" fares.
So I'm looking at flying to Budapest from SFO this fall with the outbound being UA/LX and the return on LH (booked through United). I know that the new "first bag charge" economy still gives a free checked bag for Premier Silver and credit card holders, so should be fine on the outbound. But on the return will I still get the free checked bag with LH, or will they try to charge me? I couldn't find what LH fare codes correspond to their new "economy light" fares.
Jul 2, 2018, 12:54 am
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Jul 2, 2018, 1:06 am
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Jul 4, 2018, 12:12 pm
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1K on Int'l Basic Economy?
I am a 1K and just booked a Basic Economy fare from Europe to SFO and back. The first leg is trafficked by Lufthansa and then we switch to a United plane. On the way home, it's United and then Lufthansa.
It shows up as a T fare class and tells me that I have to pay for baggage on the way out, but I don't have to pay for baggage on the way home (guessing it's because the outbound starts on a United plane and I get the normal baggage allowance as a 1K). Does anyone have any experience with the outbound - do I actually have to pay? I think it's the first leg is what Lufthansa calls Economy Light. Lufthansa's website says that for a grace period, they're allowing their Hon, Senator and *G members free baggage ... but I trust someone with first hand experience more.
It shows up as a T fare class and tells me that I have to pay for baggage on the way out, but I don't have to pay for baggage on the way home (guessing it's because the outbound starts on a United plane and I get the normal baggage allowance as a 1K). Does anyone have any experience with the outbound - do I actually have to pay? I think it's the first leg is what Lufthansa calls Economy Light. Lufthansa's website says that for a grace period, they're allowing their Hon, Senator and *G members free baggage ... but I trust someone with first hand experience more.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jul 4, 2018 at 12:36 pm Reason: Merged into -LGT thread
Jul 4, 2018, 12:23 pm
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And yes LH will be strict on the bag allowance (While UA is just starting this, LH has been doing this for some time), more in When does UA.com book LH "Light" fares? What about awards? but these have just been continental europe and not TATL, are you sure this is appling to your TATL??
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jul 4, 2018 at 12:31 pm Reason: question - TATL