thebyte

With the Domestic 767-300s being converted to longhaul, I'm interested in finding out what aircraft they plan to use for the Hawaii flights. 2 years from now, will it be all 757 and 737's only?

Or, maybe they are just planning now to concede the Hawaii market to WN once WN gets their ETOPS 737-800s?

mduell

Are you complaining about the UA 7 abreast recliners that are being phased out or the UA 8 abreast lie-flat that is being installed? The latter are about the same seat/bed dimensions as the CO BF product, although they have 2 more non-aisle seats per row. You don't need to UG to first for comfort.

You're upset because there's no someone on the plane with a better seat than you?

CO knows how well 20 BF seats to HI works; they've been doing it for years with their 76H subfleet. I think much like PMCO learning how profitable E+ was post-merger, PMUA is learning how profitable 20 great seats are instead of 36 OK seats. These short-legged widebodies with twice as many E- seats as E+ seats and so few premium seats (<9%) are tailor made for the HI market.

They're not longhaul capable except for east coast TATL with the derated engines. Which TATL services would they downgrade to 9% premium and heavy E-? This repeated longhaul suggestion makes no sense.

John Thacker

Huh? As the original post even noted, "As for our three-cabin 777s, these retrofits are continuing with 17 of 46 aircraft complete and another dozen added to that by year-end."

Your complaint is understandable about the old recliner-style UA biz class seats, but that is completely being addressed by the conversions to the lie-flat, which has already finished on the 3-class 767s and 747s, and over a third of the 3-class 777s-- and then as the press release noted, they're announcing a move towards lie-flat in the 2-class domestic UA birds as well.

So all this is *great* news for your specific complaint-- surely your objection was about the lack of lie-flat in business, not the presence of a First when biz was lie flat.

danville 1K

The only way they could increase the storage space by 66% would be to make the bins taller so you could put your bag in turned on end instead of laying flat, ala the bins in the 747s.

sbm12

Thank goodness you're able to cite your own publication with no new information.

The "all new" seats are going to not actually be all new. They are the PMCO seats on the CO aircraft and on the p.s. planes. The 777s will be the PMUA new config.

But thanks for driving traffic to your site without any useful content there.

Don't forget the 76Hs and the 777s in domestic config. For the longer routes the larger planes are a necessity.

joshwex90

I would imagine CO will stick with the CO version and UA 3-cabin will stick with the UA ones. For UA 2-cabin, something tells me the CO ones will also be used.

Was also hoping to see p.s. be extended to EWR, and that p.s. would remain E+ throughout.

Is that the famous "ghetto bird"?

And I too was surprised that they're not converting the domestic 777s.

Outside of North America, not the USA. Air Canada also has many people sitting up front that didn't really pay for it. (As does LY, though that's a different case entirely.)

Hopefully it will remain E+, though that doesn't look possible. This looks to be the end of p.s., because this will look like standard transcon, like with DL. Slightly increased F cabin, but that's it. Maybe they'll go the direction of DL and soon AA, and just have a domestic product and a transcon product.

Does UA not charge for IFE on domestic routes with PTVs? Haven't done domestic 752 in a while, but on the overheads, it obviously doesn't cost anything.

Haven't done the A320 on UA, but comparing B6 to CO (A320 to 737,) I've always found B6 to have slightly larger bins, and wider aisles, on top of seats slightly wider (and more legroom and much more comfortable!).

goalie

Thank you for some good news UA Insider ^ as with all the "rumored" changes to MP , this is very very nice to hear ^

mahasamatman

Isn't there also another thread that says CR-1s and UDU can't be used on BF flights? I assume that means we'll need SWUs to upgrade on the reconfigured 767s now? We have a 767 flight to KOA in February - I think I'll put in for the CR-1 upgrade now and hope they grandfather it.

SFOTurtle

With the changes in the PS flights and the elimination of F, I wonder if PMUA is going to continue with policy of no UDU on the PS flights, especially as the new C seat for domestic long-hauls is going to be the same as that put into the domestic 777s and CO 764s.

FlyinHawaiian

My somewhat-related experience is that I lost my confirmed NF seats when they changed the equipment from UA to a CO aircraft with BF seats.

UA-NYC

Why wouldn't they continue no-UDU? They'll market PS as BF, same as EWR/IAH-HNL.

sxf24

I doubt new seats will actually be purchased since that is too expensive. New cushions and covers are likely on older seats.

dinoscool3

+1, it's almost guaranteed there will be no EUA on PS routes.

FreequentFlier

I think the long term goal will be to have an F/E+ product on the entire fleet, but the 50 seat regional jets are too small to have one or the either, let alone both.

mahasamatman

Ouch! The whole idea of not allowing CR-1s on BF is ridiculous, especially since they're drastically cutting down the earning frequency.