Merger Update: Details about our $500M in onboard product improvements
Aug 22, 11, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by SunLover
I wonder if the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon route will continue to be branded Premium Service in the future; since the removal of F and addition of E- makes it fundamentally no different than the average UACO bird.
- More E+ than other flights (and more than E-)
- More C than other flights
- Guaranteed lie-flats as opposed to a mix of standard, 38 inch pitch F along with lie-flats
- Probably better in-flight soft product
- WiFi (which for now is a distinction)
Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Like I said, two-cabin business will always be superior to three-cabin business- more as a psychological thing than anything else.
Aug 22, 11, 8:32 am
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CR-1 on CO
Originally Posted by kb1992
hehehehe the percentage of SMI/J batting changes I don't like is down from 99.5% to 90% now. 
But we still face massive cuts in benefits. One after another.
Just did CR1 upgrade on CO flights AUS-IAH-SFO. I am a bit surprised that R>0 on many CO flights.
But we still face massive cuts in benefits. One after another.
Just did CR1 upgrade on CO flights AUS-IAH-SFO. I am a bit surprised that R>0 on many CO flights.
I didn't know we could use CR1's on CO flights! When did this start? Do we call just call UA to apply this upgrade if available?
Aug 22, 11, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
The domestic 767-322/ERs have been uprated to match their longhaul sisters.
Originally Posted by EWR764
PMCO ETOPS-rated 757-33N (ex-TZ) are candidates for Hawaii service, since they have similar capacity to the outgoing domestic PMUA 763ERs.
Originally Posted by EWR764
At any rate, capital expenditures for aircraft interior upgrades are recoverable.
Aug 22, 11, 8:52 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
And they are getting Wing Glitz.
Aug 22, 11, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
I like Wing Bling better.
Aug 22, 11, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
An airline that offers F doesn't usually feel the need to offer lie-flats in C, whereas a 2-cabin airline does. The soft product is usually increased as well. Exactly why I prefer BF, BE, Envoy and Executive First over UA/LH/LY C.
That said, if the new hard product improvements result in the PMCO 757s being replaced by the renovated 767s out of IAD TATL, I'll give it a rousing ^^.
Aug 22, 11, 9:03 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
You may indeed prefer it over the C versions offered elsewhere, but BusinessFirst, BE, Envoy and Executive First aren't true F products, no matter how much advocates try to spin it. They are excellent C products, and nothing more.
That said, if the new hard product improvements result in the PMCO 757s being replaced by the renovated 767s out of IAD TATL, I'll give it a rousing ^^.
That said, if the new hard product improvements result in the PMCO 757s being replaced by the renovated 767s out of IAD TATL, I'll give it a rousing ^^.
They are close, but a true C/F would have to be more like SQ J or NH/OZ J.
Doubt it. Those 767s will be going on routes from EWR/ORD/IAH or new routes from IAD.
Aug 22, 11, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by SunLover
Thanks for the clarification Scott. Always appreciate your participation.
I wonder if the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon route will continue to be branded Premium Service in the future; since the removal of F and addition of E- makes it fundamentally no different than the average UACO bird.
SunLover
I wonder if the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon route will continue to be branded Premium Service in the future; since the removal of F and addition of E- makes it fundamentally no different than the average UACO bird.
SunLover
Originally Posted by sgopal2
Sorry for my earlier post, I made a mistake. I've flown all of the various 777 biz class configs (UA 7 across, UA 8 across and CO 6 across). The CO 6 across flat bed configuration are definitely my favorite.
My point is that if I'm a paying business class customer, then I'm going to choose the airline that provides me the most comfort without fiddling around with SWUs or upgrade chances to first. I'd rather get a decent business class seat (like the CO 6 across flat bed) rather than take my chances with buying a ticket for a UA style 8 across flatbed and then try for an upgrade to First. SWUs are too hard to use anyway, they are practically worthless.
My point is that if I'm a paying business class customer, then I'm going to choose the airline that provides me the most comfort without fiddling around with SWUs or upgrade chances to first. I'd rather get a decent business class seat (like the CO 6 across flat bed) rather than take my chances with buying a ticket for a UA style 8 across flatbed and then try for an upgrade to First. SWUs are too hard to use anyway, they are practically worthless.
Originally Posted by belfordrocks
+1
Like I said, two-cabin business will always be superior to three-cabin business- more as a psychological thing than anything else.
Like I said, two-cabin business will always be superior to three-cabin business- more as a psychological thing than anything else.
Aug 22, 11, 9:32 am
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What about UA's regular 757s?
Thanks, UA Insider, for returning to this thread to answer our questions. I'm particularly happy to see Channel 9 stick around. That will help me do my part to raise the next generation of aviation nerds when I introduce my daughter to the joys of listening for our plane's call sign on ATC 
But: Do you have any update on the schedule for refurbishing UA's non-p.s. 757s? I know a handful have been renovated with new seats, but they still have overhead CRTs (making them about the only place I even see a tube TV these days). And the vast majority of that fleet is in the old configuration without even changing tables in the lavs.
But: Do you have any update on the schedule for refurbishing UA's non-p.s. 757s? I know a handful have been renovated with new seats, but they still have overhead CRTs (making them about the only place I even see a tube TV these days). And the vast majority of that fleet is in the old configuration without even changing tables in the lavs.
Aug 22, 11, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by DCA writer
Thanks, UA Insider, for returning to this thread to answer our questions. I'm particularly happy to see Channel 9 stick around. That will help me do my part to raise the next generation of aviation nerds when I introduce my daughter to the joys of listening for our plane's call sign on ATC
But: Do you have any update on the schedule for refurbishing UA's non-p.s. 757s? I know a handful have been renovated with new seats, but they still have overhead CRTs (making them about the only place I even see a tube TV these days). And the vast majority of that fleet is in the old configuration without even changing tables in the lavs.
But: Do you have any update on the schedule for refurbishing UA's non-p.s. 757s? I know a handful have been renovated with new seats, but they still have overhead CRTs (making them about the only place I even see a tube TV these days). And the vast majority of that fleet is in the old configuration without even changing tables in the lavs.
Aug 22, 11, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by PTahCha
Except business class will have 26 lay-flat seats with AVOD, wi-fi and in-seat power. I think that's above-average.
UNITED 2010 allowed use of a Region 1 Confirmed Upgrade Instrument throughout Region 1 (all 50 states +).
The new COdbaunited has eliminated this capability. I don't care how great the supposed BS I mean BF is supposed to be, MP has been downgraded.
I'm glad to see CO aircraft being brought up to standards (C9 and E+) but that's not really a change for UA.
Aug 22, 11, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
Eliminating even CR1 ability on the route is a major downgrade. As is E-. And loss of F on p.s. routes. It's no longer really a "premium" route.
UNITED 2010 allowed use of a Region 1 Confirmed Upgrade Instrument throughout Region 1 (all 50 states +).
The new COdbaunited has eliminated this capability. I don't care how great the supposed BS I mean BF is supposed to be, MP has been downgraded.
I'm glad to see CO aircraft being brought up to standards (C9 and E+) but that's not really a change for UA.
UNITED 2010 allowed use of a Region 1 Confirmed Upgrade Instrument throughout Region 1 (all 50 states +).
The new COdbaunited has eliminated this capability. I don't care how great the supposed BS I mean BF is supposed to be, MP has been downgraded.
I'm glad to see CO aircraft being brought up to standards (C9 and E+) but that's not really a change for UA.
And, last time I checked, lie flat seats is better then non. Isn't that what you UA people say when trying to convince others to fly the extremely sardine like UA J?
Aug 22, 11, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by dinoscool3
Oh yes, it's a "downgrade" to have E+ with actual leg room instead of the terrible E+ that was on it.
Originally Posted by dinoscool3
And, last time I checked, lie flat seats is better then non.
But if you're eliminating 1/3 of the premium seats, and making the better seats more difficult to access, the net effect is that some of the same customers who used to sit in UA J may now be sitting in E+. Hence, a downgrade.
It all depends on perspective.
Originally Posted by dinoscool3
Isn't that what you UA people say when trying to convince others to fly the extremely sardine like UA J?
Aug 22, 11, 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by channa
I haven't sat in E+ on P.S. in years. My usual seat is in Row 9.
Sure it is. If you normally fly P.S. E+, then this is an upgrade.
But if you're eliminating 1/3 of the premium seats, and making the better seats more difficult to access, the net effect is that some of the same customers who used to sit in UA J may now be sitting in E+. Hence, a downgrade.
It all depends on perspective.
Not sure what you're talking about here -- we're talking about P.S., which is certainly not sardine-like. Have you ever flown P.S. in Row 9?
Sure it is. If you normally fly P.S. E+, then this is an upgrade.
But if you're eliminating 1/3 of the premium seats, and making the better seats more difficult to access, the net effect is that some of the same customers who used to sit in UA J may now be sitting in E+. Hence, a downgrade.
It all depends on perspective.
Not sure what you're talking about here -- we're talking about P.S., which is certainly not sardine-like. Have you ever flown P.S. in Row 9?
And here we go with the "it doesn't apply to me".
Yes, the people who would be using CR1s or miles to upgrade. The airline doesn't get money off of that.
I wasn't talking about PS J seats there, I was talking about the threads where people ask "LH or UA J?" and the UA people say "fly UA! It's lie flat!", even though it's packed like sardines.
Aug 22, 11, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
You may indeed prefer it over the C versions offered elsewhere, but BusinessFirst, BE, Envoy and Executive First aren't true F products, no matter how much advocates try to spin it. They are excellent C products, and nothing more.
