Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 am
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29. Close enough! The OAG lists this service as being operated by Transport Aerien Transregional (TAT). Here's the sched.....
IJ 5341: Mulhouse/Basel (MLH) 7:50a - 8:50a Nice (NCE)
Freq: Mondays through Fridays
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Note: Operated as IJ 6341 on Fridays
IJ 5341: Mulhouse/Basel (MLH) 7:50a - 8:50a Nice (NCE)
Freq: Mondays through Fridays
Equip: Fokker F.28 Fellowship
Note: Operated as IJ 6341 on Fridays
Jan 2, 2020, 11:11 am
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27. The OAG does list 727 service being operated by Air Inter (IT) in 1989....so you are correct!
However, what I'm not completely sure about is whether Air Inter actually had Boeing 727 equipment in its fleet....or whether another air carrier was operating 727 service on behalf of Air Inter. Consider this photo.....
https://www.airteamimages.com/boeing...al_175589.html
Now this photo was not taken in 1989....it was taken earlier in the 1980's. So I wonder if Air Charter International (ACI) was operating 727 service on behalf of not only Air Inter but Air France as well in 1989.....or perhaps another air carrier was doing so.
BTW, the OAG also lists domestic flights with Air Inter flight numbers being operated in France with Boeing 737 and 747 (!) equipment.
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Jan 2, 2020, 11:42 am
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11- Philadelphia (PHL) is about the only other point "quite a bit north of Florida" that I can think of with DL service from both BOS and MIA
Jan 2, 2020, 12:19 pm
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DL 1071: Boston (BOS) 8:00a - 9:04a Philadelphia (PHL) 9:50a - 12:08p Miami (MIA)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Breakfast BOS-PHL, Lunch (with Royal Service in F) PHL-MIA
Equip: DC-10
BTW, Delta was not yet operating the L-1011 at this time with DC-10 equipment being flown as an interim measure until the TriStar aircraft arrived. I remember talking with a Delta Convair 880 Captain based in the Houston area back in the day who was getting ready to transition to the DC-10 and then later transition to the L-1011. In 1973, DL was operating DC-10 service from Houston with a routing of IAH - MSY - LGA. And way back in 1960, Delta operated the world's first scheduled passenger flight with the CV-880 from Houston Hobby nonstop to New York Idlewild.
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Jan 2, 2020, 12:28 pm
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In 1989, AF and Air Inter were operating flights on behalf of each other; some Air Inter domestic flights were operated by AF on behalf of IT, and some international flights were operated by Air Inter on behalf of AF.
I was a HUGE beneficiary of this. I booked a LGW-CDG flight in March, 1989, before the summer schedule was published. My flight, on May 5, was due to be operated by an Air France 737. When I arrived at LGW on May 5, to my shock an Air Inter Mercure was waiting for me.
I was very grateful to add this exceedingly rare aircraft type to my logbook.
I was a HUGE beneficiary of this. I booked a LGW-CDG flight in March, 1989, before the summer schedule was published. My flight, on May 5, was due to be operated by an Air France 737. When I arrived at LGW on May 5, to my shock an Air Inter Mercure was waiting for me.
I was very grateful to add this exceedingly rare aircraft type to my logbook.
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27. The OAG does list 727 service being operated by Air Inter (IT) in 1989....so you are correct!
However, what I'm not completely sure about is whether Air Inter actually had Boeing 727 equipment in its fleet....or whether another air carrier was operating 727 service on behalf of Air Inter. Consider this photo.....
https://www.airteamimages.com/boeing...al_175589.html
Now this photo was not taken in 1989....it was taken earlier in the 1980's. So I wonder if Air Charter International (ACI) was operating 727 service on behalf of not only Air Inter but Air France as well in 1989.....or perhaps another air carrier was doing so.
However, what I'm not completely sure about is whether Air Inter actually had Boeing 727 equipment in its fleet....or whether another air carrier was operating 727 service on behalf of Air Inter. Consider this photo.....
https://www.airteamimages.com/boeing...al_175589.html
Now this photo was not taken in 1989....it was taken earlier in the 1980's. So I wonder if Air Charter International (ACI) was operating 727 service on behalf of not only Air Inter but Air France as well in 1989.....or perhaps another air carrier was doing so.
You are right to be perplexed, it was complicated. Basically Air France owned much of Air Inter (UTA owned a bit as well, which ultimately came Air France's way). They also owned Air Charter, meant to run just holiday flights. However the aircraft went back and forth over time, both long term with livery changes and for individual flights. Which in all truth is what many other European operators tended to do as well at the time, but Air France had the most complex arrangements. They were also early pioneers in Europe to having commuter carriers operate for them in their mainstream liveries.
For example, Paris to Nice was an Air France service from CDG, with an F/Y cabin, and a parallel and higher frequency Air Inter service from Orly, Y class only (as the whole of IT was). So the stars headed from Hollywood via CDG to the Cannes Film Festival could have F service all the way.
I believe there were significant (in French terms) union and pay differences between the employee groups that prevented consolidation for many years. Ultimately the Air Inter high frequency trunk routes from provincial major cities to Paris, that bankrolled their whole domestic operation, lost a great deal of their traffic to the TGV high speed trains being introduced.
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32. Also in 1993, if you wanted to fly on board a Boeing 767-200 from London Heathrow nonstop to Nice, what air carrier would you call?
33. In 1996, all of the nonstop flights from Nice to Barcelona to were operated with turboprop equipment by four different air carriers.
Aircraft types included the ATR 42, the DHC-8 Dash 8 and the Fokker F.50. However, one airline was operating the Saab 2000 on the route. Name this air carrier.
33. Regional Airlines
Jan 2, 2020, 2:13 pm
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Bonjour from Nice - on the beach today.
You are right to be perplexed, it was complicated. Basically Air France owned much of Air Inter (UTA owned a bit as well, which ultimately came Air France's way). They also owned Air Charter, meant to run just holiday flights. However the aircraft went back and forth over time, both long term with livery changes and for individual flights. Which in all truth is what many other European operators tended to do as well at the time, but Air France had the most complex arrangements. They were also early pioneers in Europe to having commuter carriers operate for them in their mainstream liveries.
For example, Paris to Nice was an Air France service from CDG, with an F/Y cabin, and a parallel and higher frequency Air Inter service from Orly, Y class only (as the whole of IT was). So the stars headed from Hollywood via CDG to the Cannes Film Festival could have F service all the way.
I believe there were significant (in French terms) union and pay differences between the employee groups that prevented consolidation for many years. Ultimately the Air Inter high frequency trunk routes from provincial major cities to Paris, that bankrolled their whole domestic operation, lost a great deal of their traffic to the TGV high speed trains being introduced.
You are right to be perplexed, it was complicated. Basically Air France owned much of Air Inter (UTA owned a bit as well, which ultimately came Air France's way). They also owned Air Charter, meant to run just holiday flights. However the aircraft went back and forth over time, both long term with livery changes and for individual flights. Which in all truth is what many other European operators tended to do as well at the time, but Air France had the most complex arrangements. They were also early pioneers in Europe to having commuter carriers operate for them in their mainstream liveries.
For example, Paris to Nice was an Air France service from CDG, with an F/Y cabin, and a parallel and higher frequency Air Inter service from Orly, Y class only (as the whole of IT was). So the stars headed from Hollywood via CDG to the Cannes Film Festival could have F service all the way.
I believe there were significant (in French terms) union and pay differences between the employee groups that prevented consolidation for many years. Ultimately the Air Inter high frequency trunk routes from provincial major cities to Paris, that bankrolled their whole domestic operation, lost a great deal of their traffic to the TGV high speed trains being introduced.
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