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ExpatSomchai Aug 8, 2012 2:57 pm

LH782
 
Hi

Could someone give me the load factor on LH782 for 10 Aug FRA - BKK.

Thanks

onlysuites Aug 8, 2012 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by ExpatSomchai (Post 19084384)
Hi

Could someone give me the load factor on LH782 for 10 Aug FRA - BKK.

Thanks

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
BKK Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Intl TH [VTBS]
FRI 10 Aug 2012

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------------------

LH 782 FRA 22:15 BKK 13:50 744 F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 Z0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 G9 Q9 V9 W9 S0 T0 E0 L0 K0

derekmines Aug 9, 2012 1:50 am

Am I doing this wrong
 
So I've been playing with the tool for a few weeks now and I'm still facing the same issue.

I'll give an actual example so maybe KVS can replicate and tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Method = ATP / Fares

DXB - SIN
7 Mar 2013
R/T
All Airlines
Currency GBP

This shows a QR flight, for 165 GBP, booking in Fare Class V (I think??)

Switch to the availability tab, method Galileo

DXB - SIN
All Airlines
Class = V

Brings up the QR flight (QR115) and tells me that the routing is DXB - DOH - SIN
Tells me that availability in V is 9

Back to Fares tab, right click on the QR flight and find fares and the Matrix search always comes back with no fares.

Now I've done this a few dozen times with different airlines, dates, routes, etc and always no fares found.

What am I doing wrong please?

KVS Aug 9, 2012 9:57 am


Originally Posted by derekmines (Post 19087292)
So I've been playing with the tool for a few weeks now and I'm still facing the same issue.

I'll give an actual example so maybe KVS can replicate and tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Method = ATP / Fares

DXB - SIN
7 Mar 2013
R/T
All Airlines
Currency GBP

This shows a QR flight, for 165 GBP, booking in Fare Class V (I think??)

Switch to the availability tab, method Galileo

DXB - SIN
All Airlines
Class = V

Brings up the QR flight (QR115) and tells me that the routing is DXB - DOH - SIN
Tells me that availability in V is 9

Back to Fares tab, right click on the QR flight and find fares and the Matrix search always comes back with no fares.

Now I've done this a few dozen times with different airlines, dates, routes, etc and always no fares found.

What am I doing wrong please?

That Fare is only valid for travel until 15 Aug:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Sabre: DXB-SIN/QR/VPP4MAE1/188 GBP]
Code:

[Travel Restrictions]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/BEFORE 15AUG12.


[Rule Application & Other Conditions]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
QATAR AIRWAYS PORMOTIONAL FARES BETWEEN DXB AND AREA
03
DXBP001
APPLICATION
 AREA
  THESE FARES APPLY
  BETWEEN DXB AND AREA 3.
 CLASS OF SERVICE
  THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
 TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
  FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
  ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW
  JOURNEYS.
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
  CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
  THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
  AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
  WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
  FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST
  JUDGEMENT.
 OTHER CONDITIONS
  PASSENGERS EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED
  ----------------------------------------
  ALL FARES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE OR WITHDRAWAL
  WITHOUT NOTICE.
  -------------------------------------------------
  FARES ARE ONLY GUARANTEED IF AUTO-PRICED AND
  TICKETED IN GDS WITHIN 24H OR WITHIN
  STIPULATED TICKETING TIME LIMIT WHENEVER THIS
  IS LESS THAN 24H.

[Flight Application]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        QR FLIGHTS 4254 THROUGH 4256.

[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]
FARE RULE
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING REQUIRED.
      WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED.
      ---------------------------------------------
      IF THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE CORRECT
      SEQUENCE - QR RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CHARGE THE
      HIGHER FARE OR CANCEL THE PNR.
      NO REFUND PERMITTED.
 
GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      ALL BOOKINGS MUST ADHERE FULLY TO QR BOOKING
      POLICY AND BOOKING MUST ALWAYS BE  DONE AS PER
      FULL ORIGIN AND DESTINATION AVAILABILITY.
      ANY VIOLATION WILL BE SUBJECT TO ADM AND ACCESS
      TO QR INVENTORY WILL BE CLOSED IN CASE OF
      PERSISTENT VIOLATIONS. PLEASE REFER TO GGAIRQRBTP
      FOR FURTHER DETAILS OF QR PROHIBITED BOOKING
      PRACTICES.
      --------------------------------------------------

[Minimum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[Maximum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
4 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[Stopovers]
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      ALL STOPOVER RESTRICTIONS OR FEES ARE WAIVED IN CA
      SE OF PURCHASE OF OFFICIAL QR DOHA STOPOVER PACKAG
      E.
      --------
      NO FREE STPC PERMITTED.

[Transfers]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED
ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

[Blackout Dates]
OUTBOUND -
  TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 16AUG THROUGH 01SEP FOR
  DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
INBOUND -
  TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 25AUG THROUGH 10SEP FOR
  DEPARTURE OF FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.

[Surcharges]
OUTBOUND -
  PEAK SURCHARGE OF USD 25.00 WILL BE ADDED TO THE
  APPLICABLE FARE FROM 10DEC THROUGH 24DEC.
  AND - PEAK SURCHARGE OF USD 30.00 WILL BE ADDED TO
        THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ADULT,ALLOWING CHILD/
        INFANT DISCOUNTS FROM 07JUN12 THROUGH 31JUL12.
  AND - PEAK SURCHARGE OF USD 30.00 WILL BE ADDED TO
        THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ADULT,ALLOWING CHILD/
        INFANT DISCOUNTS FROM 09AUG12 THROUGH 22AUG12.

[Sales Restrictions]
FOOTNOTE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 11AUG12.
 
FARE RULE
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY PTA. SITI/SOTO/SOTI
TRANSACTIONS PERMITTED. SITO TRANSACTIONS NOT
PERMITTED.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      TICKET ON DEPARTURE PERMITTED
      ------------------------------

[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS

  ANY TIME
    CHARGE AED 500.

CHARGE AED 700 FOR NO-SHOW.

CHANGES

  ANY TIME
    CHARGE AED 300.

[Combinations]
 DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC
  FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS
  PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
  END-ON-END NOTE -
    FOR FARE COMBINATIONS MOST RESTRICTED CONDITIONS A
    PPLIES
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
  -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
  -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
  OPEN JAWS NOTE -
    BETWEEN REGIONS PERMITTED PROVIDED HIGHEST
    AMONG RETURN FARE IS COLLECTED.
    -------------------------------------------
  PROVIDED -
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER QR IN
    RULE QA08/QA16 IN TARIFF
    IPRMEAS - BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST-AREA 3.

[Ticket Endorsement]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NON END - AND - VALID ONLY QR ONLY - IN THE
ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[Children Discounts]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
  THE FARE.
      TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 20
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 100
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 - NOT PERMITTED

[Miscellaneous Provisions]
THIS FARE MUST NOT BE USED AS THROUGH FARE WITH A
DIFFERENTIAL AND/OR TO CALCULATE DIFFERENTIAL.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      DIFFERENTIAL CALCULATION SHOULD NOT BE APPLIED ON
      THIS FARE.

[Eligibility]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Day/Time]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Seasonality]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Accompanied Travel]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[HIP/Mileage Exceptions]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

[Tour Conductor Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[Agent Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[All Other Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[Fare By Rule]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[Groups]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Tours]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Visit Another Country]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Deposits]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Voluntary Changes]
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.

[Voluntary Refunds]
NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.

[Negotiated Fares]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[International Construction]
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE


derekmines Aug 12, 2012 4:15 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 19089231)
That Fare is only valid for travel until 15 Aug:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Sabre: DXB-SIN/QR/VPP4MAE1/188 GBP]
[CODE][Travel Restrictions]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/BEFORE 15AUG12.


Ah... oops, must confess I missed that!
So I've spent the last 6 hours playing with KVS and trying to actually generate an available flight!

No luck, I always get no flights available.

Here's another example, hopefully actually valid

searching from LHR to DXB return on BA metal
outbound on Aug 15th, ATP Fares/ FC search shows Q class fares (QRC1UK) the second of those fares listed shows restrictions that it must be booked between Aug 8th and Aug 21st for travel from Aug 8th to Oct 30th
A Galileo availability search shows Q9 across the board.

Asking KVS to find a flight using this fare results in another failure.

I've read all the fare rules and I can find no reason why this fare shouldn't be available.

I've tried similar things with a number of different airlines and routes and always the same result...... is it me?? lol

Thanks for all the help by the way, it is appreciated.

KVS Aug 12, 2012 11:26 am


Originally Posted by derekmines (Post 19104725)
Ah... oops, must confess I missed that!
So I've spent the last 6 hours playing with KVS and trying to actually generate an available flight!

No luck, I always get no flights available.

Here's another example, hopefully actually valid

searching from LHR to DXB return on BA metal
outbound on Aug 15th, ATP Fares/ FC search shows Q class fares (QRC1UK) the second of those fares listed shows restrictions that it must be booked between Aug 8th and Aug 21st for travel from Aug 8th to Oct 30th
A Galileo availability search shows Q9 across the board.

Asking KVS to find a flight using this fare results in another failure.

I've read all the fare rules and I can find no reason why this fare shouldn't be available.

I've tried similar things with a number of different airlines and routes and always the same result...... is it me?? lol

Thanks for all the help by the way, it is appreciated.

Is there Q Class Availability on the return date (which you didn't mention in your post)?

Also, keep in mind the 3-day minimum stay requirement.

That Fare is available, for example, for 09 Sep outbound / 16 Sep inbound.

deltagold84 Aug 15, 2012 9:12 pm

Reg code
 
Hi:
I have sent two requests now for an additional reg code and have yet to hear a response. Please advise as soon as possible. My flyertalk username is associated with the account.

Thank you

KVS Aug 15, 2012 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by deltagold84 (Post 19131414)
I have sent two requests now for an additional reg code and have yet to hear a response. Please advise as soon as possible. My flyertalk username is associated with the account.

Your new Registration Code should be in your e-mail Inbox by now. If it is not, please check your Spam/Junk folder.

Rogue1Trader Aug 16, 2012 1:24 am

Hello,

last night I bought your diamond tool, and it looks really great. However I do have som questions regarding the accuracay.

I have been looking for an award F from fra-iad, and when I log in to M&M webpage it shows no availbility on the 10 sept, but with your tool it shows OK on 2 pax.

Which is the correct availability?

another thing, how could I se what seats are bookable with SAS points? I have just been on the phone with SAS, and after spending 8hrs with the KVS tool to plan my trip, SAS did not have any availibility on those flights.

also, I added my ANA info, but the systems doesnt let me search with the 7 days. I just get a varning notice saying "ANA"

Looking forward for you answers.

BR,
Johan

KVS Aug 16, 2012 11:44 am


Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader (Post 19132166)
last night I bought your diamond tool, and it looks really great. However I do have som questions regarding the accuracay.

Welcome to the KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader (Post 19132166)
I have been looking for an award F from fra-iad, and when I log in to M&M webpage it shows no availbility on the 10 sept, but with your tool it shows OK on 2 pax.

Which is the correct availability?

There is currently no F Award Availability on that date:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WAS  Washington Metro DC US = IAD DCA
MON  10 Sep 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH        416    FRA  09:40    IAD  12:35    333  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
UA        953    FRA  11:00    IAD  14:07    763  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
UA        917    FRA  12:20    IAD  15:15    777  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
LH        418    FRA  13:00    IAD  15:45    74H  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
UA        933    FRA  17:00    IAD  19:55    777  0  FS-  CS-  YS-

However, keep in mind that M&M website cannot handle mixed-cabin awards and will only show F Award Availability if it exists on both the outbound and return dates you enter. If F Award Availability is only available on the departure date, then it will not show it at all.

The results you are seeing via the KVS Tool are not subject to that limitation.


Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader (Post 19132166)
another thing, how could I se what seats are bookable with SAS points? I have just been on the phone with SAS, and after spending 8hrs with the KVS tool to plan my trip, SAS did not have any availibility on those flights.

For tips on dealing with Agents, who may claim there is no Award Availability when the KVS Tool shows otherwise, please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo


Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader (Post 19132166)
also, I added my ANA info, but the systems doesnt let me search with the 7 days. I just get a varning notice saying "ANA"

Are you using CrossOver for Mac?

stifle Aug 16, 2012 1:51 pm

There seems to be issues with the ATP: Fares/FC method at the moment; it keeps timing out.

KVS Aug 16, 2012 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 19135495)
There seems to be issues with the ATP: Fares/FC method at the moment; it keeps timing out.

The [Fares/FC] Engine continues to function normally -- please ensure that your system Receive Time-Out is set correctly:

http://Errors.KVSTool.com/

infoworks Aug 17, 2012 10:09 pm

My KVS is consistently returning "no matching flights" to my searches. I reinstalled my KVS software, I have cleared internet cache and cookies and trolled back over past forum posts, and FAQ, but must be missing something obvious. Using IE9 on Win 7 PC.

What am I missing please?

infoworks Aug 18, 2012 1:22 am


Originally Posted by infoworks (Post 19145018)
My KVS is consistently returning "no matching flights" to my searches. I reinstalled my KVS software, I have cleared internet cache and cookies and trolled back over past forum posts, and FAQ, but must be missing something obvious. Using IE9 on Win 7 PC.

What am I missing please?

Ah! solved it...I'm slow but get there eventually!

Rogue1Trader Aug 18, 2012 6:06 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 19134681)
Welcome to the KVS Tool!

THANK YOU and great fast feedback!


There is currently no F Award Availability on that date:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WAS  Washington Metro DC US = IAD DCA
MON  10 Sep 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH        416    FRA  09:40    IAD  12:35    333  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
UA        953    FRA  11:00    IAD  14:07    763  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
UA        917    FRA  12:20    IAD  15:15    777  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
LH        418    FRA  13:00    IAD  15:45    74H  0  FS-  CS-  YS+
UA        933    FRA  17:00    IAD  19:55    777  0  FS-  CS-  YS-

However, keep in mind that M&M website cannot handle mixed-cabin awards and will only show F Award Availability if it exists on both the outbound and return dates you enter. If F Award Availability is only available on the departure date, then it will not show it at all.

So with the KVS tool I will be able to book and F award with my SAS points, since there is 1 availble F class in award and IF I find a date in your system that could take me home from anorher location?

Another question, if there are 7F availble for purchase, how come there are noon with points?

Are the airlines releasing more Award seats as closer to departure gate you get?

The results you are seeing via the KVS Tool are not subject to that limitation.



For tips on dealing with Agents, who may claim there is no Award Availability when the KVS Tool shows otherwise, please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo

Apparently LH dont release their F award seats untill 14 days in advance, anyway to get around this?


Are you using CrossOver for Mac?

Yes I am. any ways of solving it on a mac?


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