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JIMCHI Aug 20, 2012 9:16 pm

BA's website shows at least 2 business class seats SEA-LHR on July 23,24, 29 and 30. It's too early to check on August availability yet.

golfmad Aug 21, 2012 6:07 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 19161841)
BA's website shows at least 2 business class seats SEA-LHR on July 23,24, 29 and 30. It's too early to check on August availability yet.

And the KVS tool shows 5 seats on the 23rd, 2 on the 24th. Haven't checked any other dates. Atanac, you should be able to see these too.

atanac Aug 21, 2012 8:49 am

Whew! Finally...I am seeing the results as posted above. Odd to think that I never stumbled
upon any of those dates while changing to different ones in my sample searches.
Thanks again to golfman, KVS rep & JIMCHI for the hand holding.

atanac Aug 21, 2012 9:16 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 19161841)
... It's too early to check on August availability yet.

I will be searching for a flight to London Heathrow departing from Seattle on August 27, 2013. That
date will be available to book on BA's website next month on September 5th. Then my returning
flight from London on September 7, 2013 will be available to book on September 16, 2012.

When you say... "it's too early to check for August"... were you saying BA usually doesn't load award
seats when a flight first becomes available for reservations? Since I can now see some award space
for next July yet none for those flights in August that are now open, it seems like you believe August 2013
Biz awards may not be up until a month after bookings open.

Do I have that right?

JIMCHI Aug 21, 2012 11:05 am

BA starts taking reservations for revenue flights 355 days in advance, so at the moment that is for flights about August 11, 2013. I have noticed that transatlantic award seats become available 321 days in advance, although there are some occasional odd exceptions where one or two dates become available before then. It's best to check using the BA website and search for award seats, as it will give you availability over a whole month.

atanac Aug 21, 2012 5:21 pm

Thanks JIMCHI. I was hoping to use the KVS tool rather than BA's website to search for available
space each day when a new set of revenue flights open up for reservations. At least I won't be
surprised if I do not see any award seats in Business for a few weeks after my flights show up.

derekmines Aug 21, 2012 11:53 pm

Help KVS!

I've just renewed my subscription for another 6 months, but I've managed to renew at the wrong level, (platinum not Diamond)
Can I somehow paypal you an extra $10 and get the Diamond level as I need some of the features it offers.

KVS Aug 22, 2012 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by derekmines (Post 19169640)
Help KVS!

I've just renewed my subscription for another 6 months, but I've managed to renew at the wrong level, (platinum not Diamond)

Not a problem -- we have now corrected this for you.
Please check your E-Mail Inbox.

derekmines Aug 23, 2012 5:12 am

Perfect, thanks for that.... however I'm straight back with another issue.

searching for a WT+ return flight from London to Dubai
Outbound Sept 21, inbound Dec 18th

KVS fare search shows T class (WT+) fares at 290gbp with code TAPUK9
reading the fare rules shows no reason why that fare shouldn't be bookable with my dates
Checking availability with both sabre and galileo shows T class fares available (T=5 on the flight I want)

Yet the matrix search shows no flights available.... am I missing something again (I'm really sorry if so!)

lkar Aug 23, 2012 11:47 am

KVS -- not sure this is entirely an appropriate question for you, but if it's an issue you've come across and have any ideas, they would be most appreciated.

The issue is searching for IB award availability bookable with partner (e.g., AA or BA) miles. "Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld" often shows availability that cannot be seen by using "Amadeus: Awards/BA -- OneWorld". Similarly, "Galileo: Availability/ETR" seems to show award booking classes ("U") that cannot be seen either using "Awards/BA -- OnewWorld" or when calling AA. I think that availability shown using Galileo Availability largely tracks the QF.com search and Awards/OneWorld, but actually not always.

In the Qantas forum, I posed a question about whether the QF inventory was phantom inventory, and they responded with speculation that IB is coding its awards to only be sellable for certain points of sale -- making it available to Australia frequent fliers, but not American or British. I have no idea if that's correct. It's a bit hard to get hard data by calling AA because it's so time consuming, but it's pretty clear that AA and BA do not see all "U" award space that KVS sees in Galileo.

So, long winded windup, but do you have a sense of which KVS search method is best to find inventory that has a good chance of being bookable using AA miles?

belfordrocks Aug 23, 2012 6:17 pm

I personally always use BA method when searching for space bookable using AA miles. QF often does have phantom inventory.

trollerboy Aug 24, 2012 10:25 am

KVS - Multi-city woes

Love the product but I'm having trouble. I want to travel NYC - DEN - MUC - NYC and tried Sabre NYC - MUC R/T with the [VIA] option, but that was a no-go.

What's the correct method?

http://i49.tinypic.com/34qqq0z.jpg

Thanks.

-TB

KVS Aug 24, 2012 10:35 am


Originally Posted by derekmines (Post 19177264)
Perfect, thanks for that.... however I'm straight back with another issue.

searching for a WT+ return flight from London to Dubai
Outbound Sept 21, inbound Dec 18th

KVS fare search shows T class (WT+) fares at 290gbp with code TAPUK9
reading the fare rules shows no reason why that fare shouldn't be bookable with my dates
Checking availability with both sabre and galileo shows T class fares available (T=5 on the flight I want)

Yet the matrix search shows no flights available.... am I missing something again (I'm really sorry if so!)

ITA does show flights for that Fare. Are you double-clicking the TAPUK9 Fare and using the [ITA Query Builder]?

KVS Aug 24, 2012 10:46 am


Originally Posted by lkar (Post 19179539)
KVS -- not sure this is entirely an appropriate question for you, but if it's an issue you've come across and have any ideas, they would be most appreciated.

The issue is searching for IB award availability bookable with partner (e.g., AA or BA) miles. "Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld" often shows availability that cannot be seen by using "Amadeus: Awards/BA -- OneWorld". Similarly, "Galileo: Availability/ETR" seems to show award booking classes ("U") that cannot be seen either using "Awards/BA -- OnewWorld" or when calling AA. I think that availability shown using Galileo Availability largely tracks the QF.com search and Awards/OneWorld, but actually not always.

In the Qantas forum, I posed a question about whether the QF inventory was phantom inventory, and they responded with speculation that IB is coding its awards to only be sellable for certain points of sale -- making it available to Australia frequent fliers, but not American or British. I have no idea if that's correct. It's a bit hard to get hard data by calling AA because it's so time consuming, but it's pretty clear that AA and BA do not see all "U" award space that KVS sees in Galileo.

So, long winded windup, but do you have a sense of which KVS search method is best to find inventory that has a good chance of being bookable using AA miles?

Please see the reply in the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qanta...l#post19185876 Thread.

KVS Aug 24, 2012 10:49 am


Originally Posted by trollerboy (Post 19185783)
KVS - Multi-city woes

Love the product but I'm having trouble. I want to travel NYC - DEN - MUC - NYC and tried Sabre NYC - MUC R/T with the [VIA] option, but that was a no-go.

What's the correct method?

You would need to search using:

NYC-MUC [Via] DEN, then MUC-NYC
- or -
NYC-DEN, then DEN-MUC, then MUC-NYC


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