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KVS Nov 9, 2011 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by lallyr (Post 17355408)
KVS, no big deal but any ideas why NCL shows up as NTL?

Thanks for the report, it should now show NCL. If you come across any others, please do send a quick note using the Help/Contact link in the Mobile Companion.

molasis Nov 10, 2011 12:18 pm

I'm getting:

Datasource Error RD
(Engine Error)

Diamond/6.7.0 R3
Searching ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance
LHR-JNB 22nd Dec

Any thoughts?

KVS Nov 10, 2011 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by molasis (Post 17426999)
I'm getting:

Datasource Error RD
(Engine Error)

Diamond/6.7.0 R3
Searching ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance
LHR-JNB 22nd Dec

Any thoughts?

The [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine does not support all possible routes -- please use the 'Classic' [Awards/StarAlliance] Method for this query:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.7.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
JNB  Johannesburg OR Tambo Intl ZA [FAJS]
THU  22 Dec 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
SA        235    LHR  18:05    JNB  07:35 +1  343  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
SA        237    LHR  21:05    JNB  10:35 +1  332  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
LX        467    LCY  18:25    ZRH  21:10    AR1  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LX    288    ZRH  22:45    JNB  10:25 +1  343  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
LX        327    LHR  18:40    ZRH  21:30    320  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LX    288    ZRH  22:45    JNB  10:25 +1  343  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
LH        911    LHR  17:05    FRA  19:45    321  0  FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> SA    261    FRA  20:45    JNB  08:35 +1  346  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
LH        911    LHR  17:05    FRA  19:45    321  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH    572    FRA  22:10    JNB  10:05 +1  388  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
LH        915    LHR  17:45    FRA  20:25    321  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH    572    FRA  22:10    JNB  10:05 +1  388  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
LH        937    LCY  18:25    FRA  20:55    E90  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH    572    FRA  22:10    JNB  10:05 +1  388  0  FS-  CS-  YS-
LH        2479    LHR  17:20    MUC  20:15    321  0  FS/  CS+  YS-
 -> SA    265    MUC  20:50    JNB  08:35 +1  346  0  FS/  CS-  YS-


stifle Nov 11, 2011 5:20 am

Is there a way to search availability by Alliance in the KVS desktop system like there is in the mobile tool?

skit53 Nov 11, 2011 12:06 pm

Wanted to clarify a billing issue:

If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?

jasonvr Nov 11, 2011 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by skit53 (Post 17433065)
Wanted to clarify a billing issue:

If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?

IIRC correctly from my upgrade, your 3 months of Gold will get prorated down based on some formula (probably based on the relative cost of Gold vs Diamond) and then added to the months of Diamond that your purchase. Probably something like 7 months of Diamond total (3 months of Gold prorated to 1 month of Diamond + 6 months of purchased Diamond). Note that I have no idea what the formula for prorating is, so the above is just an example.

KVS Nov 11, 2011 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by skit53 (Post 17433065)
Wanted to clarify a billing issue:

If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?


Originally Posted by jasonvr (Post 17433502)
IIRC correctly from my upgrade, your 3 months of Gold will get prorated down based on some formula (probably based on the relative cost of Gold vs Diamond) and then added to the months of Diamond that your purchase.

That is correct.


Originally Posted by jasonvr (Post 17433502)
Probably something like 7 months of Diamond total (3 months of Gold prorated to 1 month of Diamond + 6 months of purchased Diamond). Note that I have no idea what the formula for prorating is, so the above is just an example.

Based on the actual formula, it will be a total of 7.4 Months (i.e. 1.4 Months [which is the equivalent of 3 Months Gold] + another 6 Months).

KVS Nov 11, 2011 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 17431008)
Is there a way to search availability by Alliance in the KVS desktop system like there is in the mobile tool?

Not at the moment, but you can use the Alliance [Filter] buttons in the main KVS Tool application.

EDIflyer Nov 12, 2011 6:21 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 17410034)
Could you please provide a screen capture video recording, demonstrating your experiences?


Originally Posted by jasonvr (Post 17416510)
Microsoft Expression is the utility that I used. It worked well and creates captures that you can encode into several different formats like WMV

Thanks for the suggestion, jasonvr - downloaded and installed it.

I did a screen capture of browsing the ANA site (around 4s search then 2s per day change):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/ANA%20website.wmv (2.7MB)

and also did one of KVS Tool:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/KVS%20Tool.wmv (4.7MB)

Hopefully this shows how speedy things are when looking at fares/timetables compared to the slowdown when looking at award inventory. The >30s times I got previously thankfully don't seem to be the norm but it remains 3-4x slower than the ANA website at around 15s or so/search today).

KVS Nov 12, 2011 9:55 am


Originally Posted by alanjrobertson (Post 17436576)
Thanks for the suggestion, jasonvr - downloaded and installed it.

I did a screen capture of browsing the ANA site (around 4s search then 2s per day change):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/ANA%20website.wmv (2.7MB)

and also did one of KVS Tool:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/KVS%20Tool.wmv (4.7MB)

Hopefully this shows how speedy things are when looking at fares/timetables compared to the slowdown when looking at award inventory. The >30s times I got previously thankfully don't seem to be the norm but it remains 3-4x slower than the ANA website at around 15s or so/search today).

Thanks for uploading the screen captures, from which it can be seen that your actual timings for the *A Award Searches are:

  • Using a Regular Web Browser: 20 seconds (starting at 00:00, ending at 00:20)
  • Using the KVS Tool: 15 seconds (starting at 00:41, ending at 00:56)

EDIflyer Nov 12, 2011 10:00 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 17437360)
Thanks for uploading the screen captures, from which it can be seen that your actual timings for the *A Award Searches are:

  • Using a Regular Web Browser: 20 seconds (starting at 00:00, ending at 00:20)
  • Using the KVS Tool: 15 seconds (starting at 00:41, ending at 00:56)

LOL I agree with the KVS one, but not quite sure how you get the web browser timings! :) You seem to be counting the time to type in details on the webpage, which isn't a fair comparison - so it's actually from 00:15 when the 'Next' orange button is clicked to 00:20.

I appreciate KVS allows for other items to be changed between searches but realistically I just want to find dates I can get an award booked! It's the day-to-day search that is particularly problematic - in a practical sense when I'm searching for an award then what I need to do is keep clicking through to find a day with the award - the website seems to be much quicker at doing this. The interesting thing was that when it was taking >30s for a KVS search the website one was no different in time - thankfully this seems to have improved a bit but I'm on the same machine so I don't know why.

deniah Nov 12, 2011 9:27 pm

why is the payment system to get KVS designated as a "contribution", rather than a "purchase". is this to skirt tax laws?

KVS Nov 13, 2011 11:02 am


Originally Posted by alanjrobertson (Post 17437386)
LOL I agree with the KVS one, but not quite sure how you get the web browser timings! :) You seem to be counting the time to type in details on the webpage, which isn't a fair comparison - so it's actually from 00:15 when the 'Next' orange button is clicked to 00:20.

You need to start at the beginning of the process (i.e. Step 1 at 00:00) for comparison.

Even if you subtract the time it took you to do the typing in that video (i.e. ~5 seconds from 00:07 to 00:12) from the 00:20 total search duration using a [regular] web browser, that will still make your website timing 15 seconds (which is the same as the KVS Tool).


Originally Posted by alanjrobertson (Post 17437386)
I appreciate KVS allows for other items to be changed between searches but realistically I just want to find dates I can get an award booked!

As mentioned previously, the [Previous/Next] functions in the KVS Tool are different (and more powerful) than those in ANA. They cannot (and should not) be compared directly.


Originally Posted by alanjrobertson (Post 17437386)
The interesting thing was that when it was taking >30s for a KVS search the website one was no different in time - thankfully this seems to have improved a bit but I'm on the same machine so I don't know why.

Likewise, as mentioned before, that is a technical impossibility.

Once again, thanks for taking the time to create the video screenshots, which have now fully confirmed that the timings are within their normal ranges and the discrepancies you had previously reported cannot be substantiated.

EDIflyer Nov 13, 2011 11:08 am

I appreciate the point you're attempting to make, KVS, but I disagree. In the practical way I want to use it - ie. searching for availability on a known route over a number of days - KVS is slower than ANA. TBH on my most recent award booking it was the free AwardNexus.com that did the trick, mainly as it can search multiple dates at once.

Anyway, we'll just need to agree to disagree - you've received my 2 months Diamond fee but I won't be renewing once this time is up.

KVS Nov 13, 2011 11:23 am

The Beta for Award Availability on Etihad Airways [EY], is now underway.

Those, who have already signed-up for this Beta, should have received the relevant instructions. Otherwise, please be sure to check your Spam/Junk e-mail folder.

If you are interested in joining this Beta, but haven't yet done so, please complete the EY Beta RSVP Form on the KVS Tool Homepage at http://www.KVSTool.com/

For EY Beta feedback, please visit the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...-searches.html thread.

And if you are redeeming AADV miles, please also see the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...advantage.html thread.


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