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Thanks for all your wonderful work! ^

Ongoing thanks ... it has made my life h*ll :D as I spend time checking for the perfect fare :) (just kidding) .. thanks in 1.4.4F for remembering the size of the KVS panel from prev invocations too.

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Originally Posted by KVS

Now that the Tool thread has been moved over to the TravelBuzz! forum, just wanted to let everyone know that Version 1.4.4 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download -- see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...52#post4292852 for What's New.

Thanks for the update. Please continue to let us know when we should upgrade our versions.

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

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Originally Posted by infoworks

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

I think it was a great utility from day 1.

BTW I think we need to remember that this is a tool that is done on his own time ... so we should continue to appreciate whatever KVS provides (IMHO) ... I have sent in a couple of "donations" to the cause but will not be able to for much longer as I have to enroll in an KVS-addiction program :D (just kidding)

I think Andrew Yiu would have a possible answer, that is if he is allowed divulge why.

I still use the Carlson Wagonlit ITN fare tool, through FT. I have not (yet) registered for the KVS tool.

As indicated elsewhere, I enter an overseas segment, connecting with a domestic segment. Then, the "I" bucket fare does show up. For example, I was entering YYZ -Beijing. Some of the YYZ-YVR flights displayed were of the previous night, to the YVR-Beijing flight. In this way, for Wednesday, I found out that there was no "I" availability on AC 1163, but there was I9 availability on AC 151 (before we took 3 of the upgrades, yesterday).

However, I could not force ITN to show me "I" availability on AC 124 between YYC and YOW (I did find the availability on the connecting AC 214 from YVR to YYC) - on July 20 (I am coming back then), or July 27 (my wife/daughter are coming back then) - but I bought the tickets anyways because - those flights on Wednesdays had the cheapest tango plus fares of any individual flights/flight combinations on those 2 days, and ITN was showing J9C9 availability, so I guessed that the "I" availability would be high.

The question is whether one can estimate the "I" availability based on J,C, and (perhaps) various economy cabin fare bucket availabilities?

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Originally Posted by KVS

In the light of the recent changes having to do with availability of the I class, I thought it would be a good idea to start a dedicated thread that would deal specifically with issues relating to AC booking classes displayed/not displayed and other AC-related availability issues.

AC Booking Classes Displayed by this Tool (AC Award/Upgrade classes are in green):
- Apollo: ITN/CWT
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L P A E T I (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N G P E T I (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Amadeus: AUA/*A
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L P A E T I (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N G P E T I (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Sabre: ITN/AXP
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Galileo
  - A B C E G H I J K L M N P Q R T U V Y (Domestic)
  - A B C E G H I J K L M N P Q R T U V Y (Transborder)
  - B C H I J L M N Q V Y (Intl)
- Worldspan: ITN/CWT
  - J C Y M U B H V N Q G L P A E T (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A N G P E T (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Apollo: ITN/UA
  - F C Y B M H E U Q V W S T K (Domestic)
  - F C Y B M H E U Q V W S T K (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)

Please continue to use the KVS Availability Tool main thread for all other issues/questions/comments that do not deal specifically with AC.

Thanks!

Just a quick reminder to all existing users of the Tool who may still be using outdated versions (i.e. earlier than V1.4.4) to upgrade as the previous version will expire in a few days.

Wondering if the tool is displaying data for these flights correctly. I thought it looked odd that my upcoming flight (AC 862) was showing *9 for every fare class. I went to Air Canada and tried to price a 'lowest economy' fare for this flight, and sure enough it came back with a B fare as the lowest. Any suggestions? All I'm concerned about is being able to upgrade two H fares.

[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT]

Code:

YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

WED  20 Jul 2005



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------- 

AC        868    YYZ  08:50     LHR  21:05     763  0  J0 C0 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I0

AC        856    YYZ  18:15     LHR  06:25 +1  343  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q8 L8 N8 I9

AC        862    YYZ  19:15     LHR  07:30 +1  333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        848    YYZ  20:15     LHR  08:35 +1  343  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        858    YYZ  22:15     LHR  10:30 +1  333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        414    YYZ  14:00     YUL  15:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        106    YYZ  15:00     YUL  16:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        418    YYZ  16:00     YUL  17:10     767  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K1 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        420    YYZ  17:00     YUL  18:10     333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        460    YYZ  17:10     YOW  18:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N2 K9 U9 A0 R9 I8 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        436    YYZ  17:30     YUL  18:40     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        422    YYZ  18:00     YUL  19:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7

AC        462    YYZ  18:10     YOW  19:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        1188   YYZ  18:30     YUL  19:40     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I8 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        424    YYZ  19:00     YUL  20:10     767  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L8 N9 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G9 E0 T0 P8

 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        172    YYZ  19:10     YOW  20:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R0 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        426    YYZ  20:00     YUL  21:10     763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L0 N9 K9 U9 A0 R9 I6 G9 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        466    YYZ  20:10     YOW  21:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I0 G0 E0 T0 P0

 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9

AC        840    YYZ  22:15     MAN  10:05 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9

 -> AC/BD 6676   MAN  14:20 +1  LHR  15:20 +1  321  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0

AC        842    YYZ  22:45     GLA  10:15 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9

 -> AC/BD 6624   GLA  13:20 +1  LHR  14:40 +1  321  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9

AC        842    YYZ  22:45     GLA  10:15 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9

 -> AC/BD 6628   GLA  15:15 +1  LHR  16:35 +1  320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9

AC        816    YYZ  22:55     AMS  12:20 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N5 I9

 -> AC/BD 6689   AMS  13:45 +1  LHR  14:00 +1  320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0

AC        816    YYZ  22:55     AMS  12:20 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N5 I9

 -> AC/BD 6691   AMS  15:30 +1  LHR  15:40 +1  319  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0

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Originally Posted by ReluctantCanadian

While the Worldspan/ITN/CWT method is not always reliable (compared to other methods available in the FULL version of the Tool), in this particular case, AC is reporting the same data (9s in all booking classes) across all other GDS systems. Therefore, the Tool is displaying the data correctly.

BTW, the seat map is currently showing 36/41 seats available for assignment in the C-cabin, so your upgrade chances are looking very good...

Great, thanks for the swift reply. I do have the full version, and did also try other methods -- Worldspan just happened to be the one I pasted into my message. I think I might have just realized why the AC site was only showing a B fare -- I also selected my return date (August 3rd), which has nothing below a Y fare, and I think you can't combine a Y with anything below a B? So, probably my mistake.

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Originally Posted by KVS

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Originally Posted by ReluctantCanadian

I think I might have just realized why the AC site was only showing a B fare -- I also selected my return date (August 3rd), which has nothing below a Y fare, and I think you can't combine a Y with anything below a B?

If I am not mistaken, it's the other way around -- discount-Y fares can't be combined with higher fares.

This Saturday YYZ YVR there is a 6:30am (1161) flight and a 6:40am (103) flight. On Monday when I wanted to change my flight to 1161 and then upgrade, I went to check KVS (Apollo: ITN/CWT) and it showed all flights except for 1161. Then I refreshed and it popped up. Then I refreshed again and it disappeared but yet all other flights for the day showed up. So I thought, whatever. I called the SE desk and asked for my flight to be changed to the very first flight of the day and the agent responds "I have a 6:40am as the first flight of the day"... and I was like "uh, isn't there a 6:30am flight 1161???" and she was like "I don't see it... oh wait... there it is...!"

So my question is, what's up with 1161 this Saturday? And why does AC have a 6:30am and a 6:40am YYZ YVR?

Shout out to RC for his 100th post! :D

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Originally Posted by yyznomad

Shout out to RC for his 100th post! :D

Thank you. I realized that I was posting a lot today -- honestly it wasn't to get over that 100 mark... ;)