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SafeAndSound Feb 16, 2014 10:08 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22316477)
The main KVS Tool application and the Mobile Companion have different Availability POSs, so such small variations are quite normal:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors

Thank you!

Gustraveler Feb 17, 2014 11:09 am

KVS shows AA award avail but does not show in AA site or in call
 
I just started using this tool and am confused as to why it is showing AA award space that does not exist at AA.com.

Search: ogg-ord on Nov. 15

Shows availability for 2 economy seats for the Milesaaver awards (YS+), but when I checked on the AA site and called in, there were none available.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting results of doing something wrong, but if anyone can explain this, I would be thankful.

JIMCHI Feb 17, 2014 11:24 am


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22364681)
I just started using this tool and am confused as to why it is showing AA award space that does not exist at AA.com.

Search: ogg-ord on Nov. 15

Shows availability for 2 economy seats for the Milesaaver awards (YS+), but when I checked on the AA site and called in, there were none available.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting results of doing something wrong, but if anyone can explain this, I would be thankful.

You are correct and this is strange. Even checking AA.com point to point there are no economy award seats on the flights which KVS shows as available. I guess we'll wait to see what KVS says here.

st1575 Feb 17, 2014 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22364681)
Shows availability for 2 economy seats for the Milesaaver awards (YS+), but when I checked on the AA site and called in, there were none available.

Which engine are you using? Both [Awards/JL-OneWorld] and [Awards/BA-OneWorld] seem to be showing the correct availability (i.e., none).

crestfallen Feb 17, 2014 4:15 pm

Hello there
I renewed my subcription to diamond for 6 months cause i was really satisfied with the software but i have been experiencing a small problem.As soon as i ask for awards/upgrades
for the trip from ATH-LHR in 27th of March and return LHR-ATH 6th of April,using the Awards/BA-oneworld mode,i get the same message---> no award availability/route too complex....which one of two is correct?the lack of available seats for upgrade from Eco to CE or the route is too complex and software cannot sort out any available upgrades?At the same trip of mine, at the same date 27th of March ,it does show award seats from LHR-LIN in Milan and return on 30th of March back to LHR...that is the first time i notice a message like that.Could you please help me?Thank you in advance!!

golfmad Feb 17, 2014 4:23 pm


Originally Posted by crestfallen (Post 22366512)
Hello there
I renewed my subcription to diamond for 6 months cause i was really satisfied with the software but i have been experiencing a small problem.As soon as i ask for awards/upgrades
for the trip from ATH-LHR in 27th of March and return LHR-ATH 6th of April,using the Awards/BA-oneworld mode,i get the same message---> no award availability/route too complex....which one of two is correct?the lack of available seats for upgrade from Eco to CE or the route is too complex and software cannot sort out any available upgrades?At the same trip of mine, at the same date 27th of March ,it does show award seats from LHR-LIN in Milan and return on 30th of March back to LHR...that is the first time i notice a message like that.Could you please help me?Thank you in advance!!

In my experience and looking at the route you're trying it simply means there's no availability. If you try the JL-OneWorld method it will show you instead the actual number of seats available which will be 0 if there's none. You have to have a JL account to do this but it's free to set up.

Here's the result for ATH-LHR on 27th March with the JL method:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.2/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/UK]
Code:

ATH  Athens Eleftherios Venizelos GR [LGAV]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
THU  27 Mar 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
BA        631    ATH  09:10    LHR  11:15    767  0  CS0  YS0
BA        633    ATH  19:00    LHR  20:50    767  0  CS0  YS0

I find this more useful than the BA method.

crestfallen Feb 17, 2014 4:35 pm

thank you very much for your quick reply golfmad.I shall keep this in mind for future award inquires.Pity that there is no availability for CE those dates..hope this change if their bussiness is not full enough,since i see many seats are still available.Thank you for taking time replying to my question. :)

Gustraveler Feb 17, 2014 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by st1575 (Post 22365994)
Which engine are you using? Both [Awards/JL-OneWorld] and [Awards/BA-OneWorld] seem to be showing the correct availability (i.e., none).

I was using the Awards/OneWorld search function. Is there a difference with this one?

I was using the Awards/OneWorld search function. Is there a difference with this one?

golfmad Feb 17, 2014 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by crestfallen (Post 22366611)
thank you very much for your quick reply golfmad.I shall keep this in mind for future award inquires.Pity that there is no availability for CE those dates..hope this change if their bussiness is not full enough,since i see many seats are still available.Thank you for taking time replying to my question. :)

I normally start looking about 7 days out. That seems to be when revenue management considers opening up more seats if the flight isn't too busy. Good luck.

KVS Feb 17, 2014 4:54 pm


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22364681)
I just started using this tool

Welcome to FT & KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22364681)
and am confused as to why it is showing AA award space that does not exist at AA.com.

Search: ogg-ord on Nov. 15

Shows availability for 2 economy seats for the Milesaaver awards (YS+), but when I checked on the AA site and called in, there were none available.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting results of doing something wrong, but if anyone can explain this, I would be thankful.


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 22364775)
You are correct and this is strange. Even checking AA.com point to point there are no economy award seats on the flights which KVS shows as available. I guess we'll wait to see what KVS says here.

What are the flight #s in question?


Originally Posted by st1575 (Post 22365994)
Which engine are you using? Both [Awards/JL-OneWorld] and [Awards/BA-OneWorld] seem to be showing the correct availability (i.e., none).


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22366623)
I was using the Awards/OneWorld search function. Is there a difference with this one?

As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method is more authoritative for AA Award Availability:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AA

Gustraveler Feb 17, 2014 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22366702)
Welcome to FT & KVS Tool!





What are the flight #s in question?





As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method is more authoritative for AA Award Availability:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AA

The search lists several flight available on AA, such as 254-1062; 14-1445; but none of these are actually available on Nov 15.

Thanks, and I will try the JL search as well, but just seemed strange that this would show as available on the OneWorld search.

KVS Feb 17, 2014 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22366726)
The search lists several flight available on AA, such as 254-1062; 14-1445; but none of these are actually available on Nov 15.

There is no Award Availability on those flights:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.4/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:

OGG  Kahului HI US [PHOG]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
SAT  15 Nov 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AA        6      OGG  18:00    DFW  05:00 +1  763  0  FS0  CS/  YS0
 -> AA    90      DFW  05:45 +1  ORD  08:00 +1  S80  0  FS0  CS/  YS4
AA        6      OGG  18:00    DFW  05:00 +1  763  0  FS0  CS/  YS0
 -> AA    2320    DFW  06:30 +1  ORD  08:45 +1  S80  0  FS0  CS/  YS4
AA        254    OGG  14:25    LAX  21:35    757  0  FS0  CS/  YS0
 -> AA    1062    LAX  23:55    ORD  05:50 +1  738  0  FS0  CS/  YS0

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.4/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:

OGG  Kahului HI US [PHOG]
LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
SAT  15 Nov 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AA        254    OGG  14:25    LAX  21:35    757  0  FS0  CS/  YS0
AA        14      OGG  23:05    LAX  06:05 +1  757  0  FS0  CS/  YS0


Originally Posted by Gustraveler (Post 22366726)
Thanks, and I will try the JL search as well, but just seemed strange that this would show as available on the OneWorld search.

It is a known issue with the [Awards/OneWorld] Engine for AA flights.

Oapos Feb 17, 2014 8:26 pm

Does KVS offer a free trial at all?

keepssmile Feb 17, 2014 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by Oapos (Post 22367830)
Does KVS offer a free trial at all?

$20 for 2 months Diamond is not to bad IMO

keepssmile Feb 17, 2014 10:43 pm

Hi, question about BA engine - Many times it just popped up saying error: stopover is possible..... How to solve this?

JIMCHI Feb 17, 2014 11:03 pm


Originally Posted by Oapos (Post 22367830)
Does KVS offer a free trial at all?

Question posted and answered many times before - NO. They offer a cheap 2 month trial, but not free.

eng3 Feb 18, 2014 7:24 am

Is there a listing of what the text in the status bar means while performing a search?

Also, I have registered KVS on new computer and I'm receiving an Error message sometimes but not always:
Datasource Error [R1]
"Could not find an airport for SFO"

Usually repeating the search a few times fixes the problem

KVS Feb 18, 2014 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by Oapos (Post 22367830)
Does KVS offer a free trial at all?


Originally Posted by keepssmile (Post 22368384)
$20 for 2 months Diamond is not to bad IMO


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 22368446)
Question posted and answered many times before - NO. They offer a cheap 2 month trial, but not free.

Indeed, the shortest membership option is 2 months:
http://Join.KVSTool.com/

KVS Feb 18, 2014 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by eng3 (Post 22369815)
Is there a listing of what the text in the status bar means while performing a search?

Those status codes are for internal use only.

KVS Feb 18, 2014 8:35 pm


Originally Posted by keepssmile (Post 22368389)
Hi, question about BA engine - Many times it just popped up saying error: stopover is possible..... How to solve this?


Originally Posted by eng3
Also, I have registered KVS on new computer and I'm receiving an Error message sometimes but not always:
Datasource Error [R1]
"Could not find an airport for SFO"

Usually repeating the search a few times fixes the problem

Make sure you are running the latest version (V7.3.4).

If the issue persists, please provide a screenshot via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

fedechat Feb 19, 2014 9:19 am

KVS, can you tell me if the Tool still not showing 4M flights?, because I was able to see it in the past (Awards/OneWorld option) but a friend of mine couldn't find a single seat :( with the tool.
LA in the other hand have few 4M on the lowest fare (35K kms each way).

Thank you

Fed

PS: any discount for an inactive customer? :D

KVS Feb 19, 2014 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by fedechat (Post 22377327)
KVS, can you tell me if the Tool still not showing 4M flights?, because I was able to see it in the past (Awards/OneWorld option) but a friend of mine couldn't find a single seat :( with the tool.
LA in the other hand have few 4M on the lowest fare (35K kms each way).

Do you have any specific 4M route(s) in mind?


Originally Posted by fedechat (Post 22377327)
PS: any discount for an inactive customer? :D

These types of inquires should be submitted via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

fedechat Feb 19, 2014 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22380354)
Do you have any specific 4M route(s) in mind?

MIA-EZE-MIA :D :(, we tried many dates without any luck

Thank you

KVS Feb 19, 2014 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by fedechat (Post 22381132)
MIA-EZE-MIA :D :(, we tried many dates without any luck

Our few random searches are also not showing any positive 4M availability on that route ...

fedechat Feb 20, 2014 8:48 am

I was afraid of your answer :(, after QF made the change on their website (few months ago), they will not show 4M flights anymore, even at 331 days in advance.
Since KVS tool use QF system, there is no way to find 4M flights with any tool, unless we call AA/BA/QF and find a agent that know how to look on that particular airline :eek: :(

Thank you

daslax Feb 20, 2014 12:46 pm

Currently getting an error on the AC-StarAlliance award search. No matter which airports I put in I'm getting an error message:

Datasource Error [RW]:
The city/airport entered cannot be found


Have been using it successfully all morning and it just started to error out.

KVS Feb 20, 2014 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by daslax (Post 22385573)
Currently getting an error on the AC-StarAlliance award search. No matter which airports I put in I'm getting an error message:

Datasource Error [RW]:
The city/airport entered cannot be found


Have been using it successfully all morning and it just started to error out.

Make sure you are running the latest version (V7.3.4), clear MSIE Cookies (http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Clear) and restart the KVS Tool.

If the issue persists, please provide a screenshot via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

mapu Feb 21, 2014 6:41 am

Any chance for an iPad app or a full web version? I don't travel with a laptop.

KVS Feb 21, 2014 11:10 am


Originally Posted by mapu (Post 22389898)
Any chance for an iPad app or a full web version?

The KVS Tool Mobile Companion is available for iPad:
http://www.KVSTool.com/Mobile-Companion-Info.php

However, the main KVS Tool application requires a proper desktop/laptop/netbook to run on (PC or Mac).

gokeeper Feb 22, 2014 8:03 pm

Checked availability of a UA flight, but KVS's result seems inconsistent with UA's expert mode result, which one to trust?

yokozuma Feb 23, 2014 4:13 am

For award availability can KVS send out notifications when seats become available?

Haven't used it before so thought I'd check before I sign up.

KVS Feb 23, 2014 11:13 am


Originally Posted by yokozuma (Post 22400514)
For award availability can KVS send out notifications when seats become available?

Haven't used it before so thought I'd check before I sign up.

Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q35

KVS Feb 23, 2014 11:14 am


Originally Posted by gokeeper (Post 22399188)
Checked availability of a UA flight, but KVS's result seems inconsistent with UA's expert mode result, which one to trust?

That scenario would be technically impossible -- could you please provide a screenshot?

TC610 Feb 24, 2014 1:09 pm

Trying to find a way home from IST, and a route mapper suggested IST-ZRH-YUL-CLE.

I see no FS/CS awards available:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-STD]

ZRH Zurich CH [LSZH]
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
SAT 27 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
LX 86 ZRH 12:50 YUL 15:05 333 0 FS- CS- YS-
While looking at another route, I see the same exact flight (LX86) with CS award open. Why am I getting different results on the same segment when using a different route?


[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-STD]

TLV Tel Aviv Metro / Ben Gurion Intl IL = TLV SDV [LLBG]
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
SAT 27 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
SN 3292 TLV 01:20 BRU 05:00 320 0 FS/ CS- YS+
-> AC 833 BRU 10:40 YUL 12:15 333 0 FS/ CS- YS+
LH 691 TLV 05:30 FRA 09:10 321 0 FS/ CS- YS-
-> AC 875 FRA 10:30 YUL 12:25 333 0 FS/ CS- YS+
LX 257 TLV 05:30 ZRH 08:50 343 0 FS/ CS+ YS-
-> LX 86 ZRH 12:50 YUL 15:05 333 0 FS- CS+ YS-

JIMCHI Feb 24, 2014 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22408786)
Trying to find a way home from IST, and a route mapper suggested IST-ZRH-YUL-CLE.

I see no FS/CS awards available:


While looking at another route, I see the same exact flight (LX86) with CS award open. Why am I getting different results on the same segment when using a different route?

They are most likely what are called "paired" flights and happens when a carrier will make seats available (on the ZRH-YUL) flight for passengers connecting from a more distant and higher fare point (TLV).

KVS Feb 24, 2014 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22408786)
While looking at another route, I see the same exact flight (LX86) with CS award open. Why am I getting different results on the same segment when using a different route?


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 22409140)
They are most likely what are called "paired" flights and happens when a carrier will make seats available (on the ZRH-YUL) flight for passengers connecting from a more distant and higher fare point (TLV).

As mentioned in the KVS Tool User Guide at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors:
Note: Segment Marriage Logic is generally intended to apply to Regular Availability only. However, occasionally, it can get [mis-]applied to Award/Upgrade Availability as well, due to a human or system error. If you run across a case of Married Segments when searching for Award/Upgrade Availability, check Availability segment-by-segment to determine the actual Award/Upgrade Availability for each flight.

eng3 Feb 25, 2014 7:08 am

So just to clarify:

For AAA-BBB-CCC, if there is only availability on AAA-BBB but not BBB-CCC, on UA if I search AAA-CCC it will show no availability for both segments.
If I search AAA-CCC in KVS, does it do every possible segment separately? or does it just search AAA-CCC on UA?

Also, when I search a flight on UA website, I notice that sometimes it does not display every possible routing, I must do a multi-city search manually. Will KVS check every possible routing?

KVS Feb 25, 2014 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by eng3 (Post 22412932)
For AAA-BBB-CCC, if there is only availability on AAA-BBB but not BBB-CCC, on UA if I search AAA-CCC it will show no availability for both segments.

Yes, that is the current logic that the [Awards-Upgrades/UA] Engine uses.


Originally Posted by eng3 (Post 22412932)
If I search AAA-CCC in KVS, does it do every possible segment separately? or does it just search AAA-CCC on UA?

The search will be performed exactly as requested by the user.


Originally Posted by eng3 (Post 22412932)
Also, when I search a flight on UA website, I notice that sometimes it does not display every possible routing, I must do a multi-city search manually. Will KVS check every possible routing?

There could be many thousands of potential routings and no website will check or display them all.

Each Engine has its own route construction logic.

Spicy B Feb 27, 2014 11:21 am

Just to make sure, I am using a MacBook air running OS 10.9.1. The primary reason I want KVS is for access to the various Delta award buckets. It seems this is not possible with CrossOver? Would the other free emulators or virtual Windows apps work for my use?

KVS Feb 27, 2014 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by Spicy B (Post 22429432)
Just to make sure, I am using a MacBook air running OS 10.9.1. The primary reason I want KVS is for access to the various Delta award buckets. It seems this is not possible with CrossOver? Would the other free emulators or virtual Windows apps work for my use?

Yes, you can use any of the other solutions (Parallels Desktop, VMWare Fusion, VirtualBox):

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Mac


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