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Quote:

Originally Posted by BostonFlyer1624 (Post 22104753)

I'm thinking about getting KVS.

Are there any airlines that have restricted access or just simply never show up on KVS? I'll be doing a lot of BOS-ATH searching, using multiple via points to get there. Thanks!

The short answer is 'no', but if you have any specific airline(s) in mind, we would be able to provide a more detailed answer.

Please see also http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for a partial list of 500+ supported airlines.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stifle (Post 22123968)

I'm afraid there are still gremlins in the system. While fares show up, if I ask for fare rules I get Error retrieving fare rules: "Error".

The Fare Rules option continues to function normally. However, you may receive an Error Message if you come across a restricted Fare (which is rare).

-So, when joining and paying for Diamond bundle, I get 14 months. Correct? Thanx
-Also, what option would you recommend for my Mac to run? I am 95% interested in using *A (LH and LX) tickets and class availability (most miles generating classes in Y and C) and occasional upgrade. Thank you ))

upd: ah, just saw that it's 12mo

Quote:

Originally Posted by VictorXray (Post 22128182)

-Also, what option would you recommend for my Mac to run? I am 95% interested in using *A (LH and LX) tickets and class availability (most miles generating classes in Y and C) and occasional upgrade. Thank you ))

If you are interested in *A Awards, then Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion would be best.

Otherwise, you can use any of the Mac options listed at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Mac

Using KVS and searching MUC-YUL on 8/31. LH 474 shows two biz class awards, but when I call United, they don't find it (tried 3 agents). I'm using AC award method.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BostonFlyer1624 (Post 22128339)

Using KVS and searching MUC-YUL on 8/31. LH 474 shows two biz class awards, but when I call United, they don't find it (tried 3 agents). I'm using AC award method.

Welcome to the KVS Tool!

Looks like an issue with the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine.
Unfortunately, there are no C Award Seats available on that flight:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

MUC  Munich Franz Josef Strauss DE [EDDM]

YUL  Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]

SUN  31 Aug 2014 | 1 Seat



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------

LH         474     MUC   15:50     YUL   18:20     333  0   FS-  CS-  YS+

LH         2228    MUC   08:55     CDG   10:30     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

 -> AC     871     CDG   13:05     YUL   14:25     77W  0   FS/  CS-  YS-

LH         95      MUC   08:00     FRA   09:05     321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

 -> AC     875     FRA   10:30     YUL   12:30     333  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

LH         101     MUC   10:00     FRA   11:05     321  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

 -> LH     478     FRA   13:35     YUL   15:40     333  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

LH         103     MUC   11:00     FRA   12:05     321  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

 -> LH     478     FRA   13:35     YUL   15:40     333  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

LH         2474    MUC   12:00     LHR   13:05     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

 -> AC     865     LHR   15:00     YUL   17:05     77W  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

@KVS
is there any plan to get back [Fares/FS]?
Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22128289)

If you are interested in *A Awards, then Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion would be best...

I use free Oracle Virtual box for several years: very fast and always upgraded when needed, for free of course.
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Happy to use Fares/PSH again and to find some "nuggets" with AF (in first, of course ;))

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Fares/PSH/RU]

Code:

JNB  Johannesburg Metro / OR Tambo Intl ZA = JNB HLA [FAJS]

HNL  Honolulu Intl HI US [PHNL]

R/T  16 Apr 2014 | First



Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  --------------------------

AF         JNB     HNL      8756   USD        ***       360  FFFZA 

AA         JNB     HNL     10960   USD        ***            ARZA

EK         JNB     HNL     11176   USD        ***       120  AEE4MZA1

SN         JNB     HNL     11909   USD        ***       360  F77RT

LX         JNB     HNL     11909   USD        ***       360  F77RT

UA         JNB     HNL     11909   USD        ***       360  F77RT

OS         JNB     HNL     11909   USD        ***       360  F77RT

LH         JNB     HNL     11909   USD        ***       360  F77RT

AA         JNB     HNL     11976   USD        ***            F1E6FR

BA         JNB     HNL     12604   USD        ***       360  AFFAFR

EK         JNB     HNL     12867   USD        ***       360  FRTZA1

AA         JNB     HNL     14919   USD        ***            FRZA

AA         JNB     HNL     15570   USD        ***            F1E6FO

SA         JNB     HNL     16004   USD        ***            FRT

BA         JNB     HNL     16287   USD        ***       360  FFFAFR

AA         JNB     HNL     16287   USD        ***            AZA

YY         JNB     HNL     17352   USD        ***            FIFRT2

AA         JNB     HNL     22228   USD        ***            FZA

AF         JNB     HNL     23782   USD        ***            PFF

AF         JNB     HNL     23782   USD        ***       360  PFFZA

EK         JNB     HNL     24084   USD        ***            ARTZA7

Is there anyway to use the Star Alliance M&M method with a temporary account only (no miles)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by benom (Post 22128899)

@KVS
is there any plan to get back [Fares/FS]?
Thanks.

Yes, as soon as that Engine becomes available again.
In the meantime, please use [Fares/PSH].

Quote:

Originally Posted by delanotre (Post 22133555)

Happy to use Fares/PSH again and to find some "nuggets" with AF (in first, of course ;))

Happy hunting! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by belfordrocks (Post 22137873)

Is there anyway to use the Star Alliance M&M method with a temporary account only (no miles)?

No, the [Awards/M&M] Engine requires a permanent M&M card number.

Issues pulling up KE Award

Trying to check availability on ICN-CMB (one of the segments for the trip).

Tried using the Skyteam-DL method and it said origin and destination not supported - fair enough as I know the DL site can't pull it up

Used the Flying Blue way and it keeps saying Engine Error/Date out of Range. I picked a date 3 months out and I know KE operates that route on that date.

Any ideas?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22142474)

No, the [Awards/M&M] Engine requires a permanent M&M card number.

Quote:

Originally Posted by filelover (Post 22147817)

You would need to call DL SM for this route -- [Awards/DL-SkyTeam] is the only Engine that supports KE Award Availability:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#KE

Any idea why BA short haul flights nearly always report all aisle seats as unavailable on KVS? Even though I can check on BA.com for a flight I've booked (or a dummy booking) and they're mostly free?

KVS - maybe I've missed this along the way, but I can't go through 413 pages of replies!...

When searching for rewards under the OW/BA system, I can see exactly how many seats there are in whatever booking class. Great.

Under the *A system, I can only see that there are at least 4 seats available, but if I need 6, for example, I use the mobile companion, which shows I class inventory.

Why can't we (or maybe how can we) see the reward inventory on the desktop version?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stifle (Post 22150154)

Any idea why BA short haul flights nearly always report all aisle seats as unavailable on KVS? Even though I can check on BA.com for a flight I've booked (or a dummy booking) and they're mostly free?

BA uses some non-standard seat blocking indicators, so you need to use the [Enhanced Seat Map] option in the KVS Tool.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 22150543)

You can use the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method to search for up to 8 seats.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22153191)

You can use the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method to search for up to 8 seats.

Thanks^

(Probably would have figured that out eventually, but glad to be told!)

I've been experimenting with looking up some fares listed on these forums using KVS and ITA Matrix. I'm confused about this:

1. I do a return fare lookup in KVS using Fares/PSH between IAH and KHI on Apr 16. The fare shows as $192 CAD.
2. I do a search on ITA Matrix using the fare basis code beside a carrier of interest (EK using Fare Basis Code LLXIPUS1).
3. I select a flight on ITA Matrix. I see that the fare basis code matches exactly the one in KVS tool, but the fare is more than double what's listed in KVS ($404.50 USD).

What gives?

Quote:

Originally Posted by aardvarkk (Post 22159165)

There is a Fuel Surcharge:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Fare Rules: HOU-KHI/EK/LLXIPUS1/175 USD]

Code:

[Surcharges]

FARE RULE

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       GENERAL RULE APPLIES

 

GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED

IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2.

OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2.

OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2.

  THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       ALL SURCHARGES MENTIONED ACCRUE TO EK ONLY.

ORIGINATING UNITED STATES -

  FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 317.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL

  BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.

ORIGINATING AREA 3 -

  FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 95.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL

  BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       ALL SURCHARGES MENTIONED ACCRUE TO EK ONLY.



[Rule Application & Other Conditions]

NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT

VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

EK SPECIAL FARES-- APM

APPLICATION

 AREA

  THESE FARES APPLY 

   BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2/AREA 3.

 CLASS OF SERVICE

  THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.

 TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION

  THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES.

  FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE

   ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.

 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS

  THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS

   CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY

   THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE

   AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,

   WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN

   FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER'S BEST

   JUDGEMENT.



[Day/Time]

PERMITTED MON THROUGH THU ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC

SECTOR.



[Seasonality]

PERMITTED 30AUG THROUGH 04DEC OR 28DEC THROUGH 21MAY

ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON

DATE OF ORIGIN.



[Flight Application]

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        EK FLIGHTS 6200 THROUGH 6203

        EK FLIGHTS 6220 THROUGH 6221

        AA FLIGHTS 5100 THROUGH 8399

        AS FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 1999

        AS FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3274

        AS FLIGHTS 3300 THROUGH 9999

        SA FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7699

        BA FLIGHTS 6200 THROUGH 6449

        B6 FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999

        DL FLIGHTS 2900 THROUGH 3258

        DL FLIGHTS 6410 THROUGH 7299

        DL FLIGHTS 7349 THROUGH 7361

        DL FLIGHTS 7449 THROUGH 9999

        US FLIGHTS 0001 THROUGH 0399

        US FLIGHTS 0900 THROUGH 1699

        US FLIGHTS 2200 THROUGH 2499

        US FLIGHTS 2500 THROUGH 2674

        US FLIGHTS 2975 THROUGH 3199

        US FLIGHTS 3525 THROUGH 3699

        US FLIGHTS 4400 THROUGH 4499

        US FLIGHTS 4800 THROUGH 9999.

AND

IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN UNITED

STATES

    THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY B6

        ANY AS FLIGHT

        ANY AA FLIGHT

        ANY US FLIGHT

        ANY VX FLIGHT OPERATED BY VX

        ANY B6 FLIGHT OPERATED BY B6

        AM FLIGHTS 001 THROUGH 3999

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY OO

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9E

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY S5

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY RP

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY CP

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY G7

        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY EV

        HA FLIGHTS 01 THROUGH 1899.

AND

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN AREA 1

AND DXB ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY EK.

AND

IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN TICKETED

POINTS AFRICA

    THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY SA FLIGHT

        ANY BA FLIGHT.

AND

IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN DXB AND

AREA 2

    THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY EK

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY WY

        ANY FZ FLIGHT.

AND

IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN DXB AND

AREA 3

    THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY EK

        ANY 4Q FLIGHT

        ANY FZ FLIGHT.

AND

IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 3

    THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON

    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

        ANY EK FLIGHT OPERATED BY EK

        ANY Z5 FLIGHT.



[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]

CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT

LEAST 2 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE

COMPLETED AT LEAST 2 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       EK RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CANCEL ANY PNR WHERE

       ITINERARY DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE RESERVATION

       BOOKING CODE / RBD/

       -----

       IF A TICKET IS USED OUT OF SEQUENCE EK RESERVES

       THE RIGHT TO CANCEL ANY PNR OR INVALIDATE THE

       REMAINING FLIGHT COUPONS.

       ------

       IF A PASSENGER FAILS TO TRAVEL ON A SECTOR BOOKED

       EK RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THE REMAINING EK

       SECTOR .

       -------

       RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING MUST BE MADE BY

       AUTHORISED BOOKING/TICKETING AGENTS OR WILL BE

       CANCELLED. PASSENGER TELEPHONE NOS MUST BE

       INCLUDED IN THE PNR. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED

       ON EK AND REPORTED THROUGH APPROVED

       REPORTING CHANNELS

       -----------------------

       TICKET DEADLINE CONTROL -

       EK HAS IMPLEMENTED AN AUTOMATIC TICKET DEADLINE

       CONTROL.

       FURTHER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE VARIOUS

       GDS USING THE APPLICABLE ENTRY FORMAT.

       PLEASE NOTE THE // IS TO BE REPLACED BY THE CHANGE

       SIGN AND THE - - TO BE REPLACED BY THE ASTERISK

       SIGN.

       MARS - GTTL.

       GALILEO - L//GIGC - - EKINFO/TTL00 OR 01 OR 02.

       AMADEUS - GGAIREKRESERVATION FOLLOWED BY MS309.

       SABRE   - //QEK/Y/EKINFO/TTL00 OR 01 OR 02.

       ABACUS  - //QEK/Y/EKINFO/TTL00 OR 01 OR 02.

       WORLDSPAN - //EK//G/TTL.



[Minimum Stay]

TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE

NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE

OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.



[Maximum Stay]

TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN

4 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.



[Stopovers]

UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT

  LIMITED TO 2 FREE AND UNLIMITED AT USD 100.00

  EACH.

  NONE IN UNITED STATES/OSA

  1 FREE IN DXB

  1 FREE IN MIL

  UNLIMITED AT ANY POINT AT USD 100.00 EACH.

PER PASSENGER. INFANT IS FREE.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       STOPOVER FEE APPLIES TO ADULT/CHILD ONLY.

       INFANT DISCOUNTS MAY BE APPLIED TO INFANTS UNDER

       2 YEARS OF AGE TRAVELLING WITHOUT A SEAT.

       --------------------------------------------------



[Transfers]

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.

FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED

ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       TRANSFERS AS PER THE ATTACHED ROUTE MAP



[Blackout Dates]

INBOUND -

  TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 01JAN14 THROUGH 12JAN14 OR

  15AUG14 THROUGH 05SEP14.



[Sales Restrictions]

FOOTNOTE RULE

TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 11FEB14.

 

FARE RULE

TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN IRAN.



[Penalties]

CANCELLATIONS



  BEFORE DEPARTURE

    CHARGE USD 200.00 FOR REFUND.



BEFORE DEPARTURE

    CHARGE USD 400.00 FOR NO-SHOW.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       FAILURE TO OCCUPY A RESERVED SEAT ON ANY SEGMENT

       OF THE ITINERARY WILL RESULT IN ALL SUBSEQUENT

       SEGMENTS OF THE ITINERARY BEING CANCELLED.IN SUCH

       CASES REFUND WILL INCUR A CHARGE OF USD 400

       -------------

       IN CASE OF NO-SHOW ONLY ONE FEE IS TO BE CHARGED

       I.E. EITHER THE NO-SHOW FEE OR THE REFUND FEE

       WHICHEVER IS HIGHER



AFTER DEPARTURE

    TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.



CHANGES



  ANY TIME

    CHARGE USD 200.00 FOR REISSUE.



ANY TIME

    CHARGE USD 200.00 FOR REVALIDATION.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       USD200 APPLIES IN CASE OF DATE CHANGE INCLUDING

       REVALIDATION OF INTERLINE SECTORS IF ANY.

       USD200 APPLIES IN CASE OF REROUTE OF ITINERARY

       AND CHANGE IN FARE OR APPLICABLE RBD.

       --------------------------------------------

       FROM NYC/WAS/HOU TO JP/KR/SOUTH EAST ASIA-

       ONE FREE DATE CHANGE FOR INBOUND TRAVEL

       APPLICABLE ONLY AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF JOURNEY

       CAN BE DONE ONLY BY THE ISSUING AGENT//PENALTY

       WILL APPLY IF DATE CHANGE IS DONE THROUGH OTHER

       CHANNELS//



BEFORE DEPARTURE

    CHARGE USD 400.00 FOR NO-SHOW.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       FAILURE TO OCCUPY A RESERVED SEAT ON ANY SEGMENT

       OF THE ITINERARY WILL RESULT IN ALL SUBSEQUENT

       SEGMENTS OF THE ITINERARY BEING CANCELLED.IN SUCH

       CASES REISSUE /REVALIDATION WILL INCUR A CHARGE

       OF USD 400

       -------------

       IN CASE OF NO-SHOW ONLY ONE FEE IS TO BE CHARGED

       I.E. EITHER THE NO-SHOW FEE OR THE RE-ISSUE FEE

       WHICHEVER IS HIGHER



AFTER DEPARTURE

    CHARGE USD 800.00 FOR NO-SHOW.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       FAILURE TO OCCUPY A RESERVED SEAT ON ANY SEGMENT

       OF THE ITINERARY WILL RESULT IN ALL SUBSEQUENT

       SEGMENTS OF THE ITINERARY BEING CANCELLED.IN SUCH

       CASES REISSUE /REVALIDATION WILL INCUR A CHARGE

       OF USD 800.

       -------------

       IN CASE OF NO-SHOW ONLY ONE FEE IS TO BE CHARGED

       I.E. EITHER THE NO-SHOW FEE OR THE RE-ISSUE FEE

       WHICHEVER IS HIGHER





      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       CHANGES

       BEFORE DEPARTURE ----

       IN THE EVENT OF VOLUNTARY CHANGES TO ANY FLIGHT

       THE FARES AND CHARGES FOR THE PASSENGER JOURNEY

       SHALL BE RECALCULATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FARES

       AND CHARGES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE ON WHICH THE

       CHANGE IS MADE AND IS REFLECTED ON THE TICKET.

       -THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION IF ANY.

       -THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT IF ANY.

        WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE

        HIGHEST PENALTY OF ANY OF THE CHANGED FARE

        COMPONENTS WILL APPLY.

       -PENALTY APPLIES TO ADULT/CHILD AND INFANT

        OCCUPYING A SEAT.

       -WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

        A COPY OF A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY A

        COMPETENT MEDICAL AUTHORITY IS REQUIRED.

        FAMILY MEMBERS AS DEFINED IN EK CONDITIONS OF

        CARRIAGE OR PASSENGER AIRLINE TARIFF BOOK.

       -SAME DATE/SAME FLIGHT SKYWARDS UPGRADES SHOULD

        NOT BE CHARGED FOR CHANGES.

       -PENALTY FEE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ANY FARE

        DIFFERENCE CAUSED DUE TO VOLUNTARY CHANGE OF

        RBD/SEASONALITY/DAY OF WEEK OF APPLICATION/

        FLIGHT OR BLACKOUTS.

       -REBOOKING MUST BE DONE PRIOR TO THE ORIGINAL

        DEPARTURE.

       -REVALIDATION MUST OCCUR AFTER EVERY CHANGE IN

        BOOKING.

       AFTER DEPARTURE -----

       -THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION IF ANY.

       -THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT IF ANY.

        WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE

        HIGHEST PENALTY OF ANY OF THE CHANGED FARE

        COMPONENTS WILL APPLY.

       -PENALTY APPLIES TO ADULT/CHILD AND INFANT

        OCCUPYING A SEAT.

       -WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

        A COPY OF A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY A

        COMPETENT MEDICAL AUTHORITY IS REQUIRED.

        FAMILY MEMBERS AS DEFINED IN EK CONDITIONS OF

        CARRIAGE OR PASSENGER AIRLINE TARIFF BOOK.

       -SAME DATE/SAME FLIGHT SKYWARDS UPGRADES SHOULD

        NOT BE CHARGED FOR CHANGES.

       -PENALTY FEE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ANY FARE

        DIFFERENCE CAUSED DUE TO VOLUNTARY CHANGE OF

        RBD/SEASONALITY/DAY OF WEEK OF APPLICATION/

        FLIGHT OR BLACKOUTS.

       -REBOOKING MUST BE DONE PRIOR TO THE ORIGINAL

        DEPARTURE.

       -REVALIDATION MUST OCCUR AFTER EVERY CHANGE IN

        BOOKING.

       -------------------------------------------------

       RE-ISSUES ONLY PERMITTED TO FARE OF EQUIVALENT OR

       HIGHER VALUE.

       --------------------------------------------------

       UPGRADES - THE BELOW IS ONLY APPLICABLE IF

       CHANGES ARE PERMITTED

       -AT ANY TIME WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY THE FARE CAN

        BE RE-ISSUED TO ANY HIGHER FARE IN THE SAME CABIN

        RECALCULATED FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN AT A CHARGE

        AS APPLICABLE PER CHANGE PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS

        OF THE HIGHER FARE HAVE BEEN MET AND THE

        APPLICABLE DIFFERENCE IN FARE IS COLLECTED.

        CHARGE APPLIES PER PASSENGER. PENALTY DOES NOT

        APPLY TO INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT. IF THE RE-ISSUED

        TICKET IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED THE ORIGINAL

        PENALTY WILL APPLY.

       -AT ANYTIME WITHIN THE TICKET VALIDITY FARES CAN

        BE UPGRADED TO ANY FARE IN A HIGHER CABIN

        RECALCULATED FROM POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED THE

        CONDITIONS OF THE HIGHER CABIN FARE HAVE BEEN

        MET. REISSUE FEE WILL BE WAIVED IN THIS CASE. IF

        THE UPGRADED TICKET IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED THE

        ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL APPLY.

       -------------------------------------------------

       CANCELLATION BEFORE DEPARTURE -

       1.WHEN COMBINED WITH A NON-REFUNDABLE

         FARE.

         -DEDUCT THE RETURN AMOUNT OF THE NON-REFUNDABLE

          FARE AND

         -THE REFUND PENALTY OF THE REFUNDABLE FARE.

       2.WHEN COMBINED WITH A REFUNDABLE

         FARE.

         -APPLY THE HIGHER OF THE TWO PENALTIES.

       3.PENALITY APPLIES TO ADULT/CHILD AND INFANT

         OCCUPYING A SEAT.

       4.WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

         A COPY OF A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY A

         COMPETENT MEDICAL AUTHORITY IS REQUIRED. FAMILY

         MEMBERS AS DEFINED IN EK CONDITIONS OF CARRIAGE

         OR PASSENGER AIRLINE TARIFF BOOK.

       --------------------------------------------------

       CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE -

       1.WHEN COMBINED WITH A NON-REFUNDABLE

         FARE AND IF

         A.THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE IS USED ON THE

           OUTBOUND FARE COMPONENT

           -DEDUCT THE ONE-WAY FARE IN THE SAME OR

            HIGHER RBD FOR THE ORIGIN DESTINATION PLUS

            REFUND PENALTY OF THE REFUNDABLE FARE.

         B.THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE IS A PART OF THE

           INBOUND FARE COMPONENT

           -NO REFUND APPLIES.

       2.WHEN COMBINED WITH A REFUNDABLE

         FARE

         -DEDUCT THE ONE-WAY FARE IN THE SAME OR HIGHER

          RBD FOR THE FLOWN PORTION.

         -IF TRAVEL ON THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENT HAS

          COMMENCED NO REFUND APPLIES.

       3.PENALITY APPLIES TO ADULT/CHILD AND INFANT

         OCCUPYING A SEAT.

       4.WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

         A COPY OF A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY A

         COMPETENT MEDICAL AUTHORITY IS REQUIRED. FAMILY

         MEMBERS AS DEFINED IN EK CONDITIONS OF CARRIAGE

         OR PASSENGER AIRLINE TARIFF BOOK.

       5.REFUND NOT APPLICABLE ON VOLUNTARY DOWNGRADES.

       6.REFUND IS NOT APPLICABLE ON REMAINING FLIGHT

         COUPONS IF THE TICKET IS UTILIZED OUT OF

         SEQUENCE.



[Combinations]

OPEN JAWS

  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS

  WITH EK FARES

  -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS

   A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

   PERMITTED.

  OPEN JAWS NOTE -

    THE MOST RESTRICTIVE FARE CONDITIONS APPLY.

  PROVIDED -

    THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE

    -BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3

    -BETWEEN POINTS IN ANY TWO OF THE FOLLOWING

     LOCALES-

     NYC/HOU/SFO/LAX/SEA/DFW/WAS/YTO/AREA 2/AREA 3

     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE IN RULE CA02 IN

     TARIFF

     IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL

     OR RULE BR02 IN TARIFF

     IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2

     VIA ATL

     IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/

     MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -

     AREA 3

     OR RULE US02 IN TARIFF

     IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA

     2.

ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS

  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS

  WITH EK FARES

  -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS

  -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS WITH EK FARES

   A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

   PERMITTED.

  ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -

    THE MOST RESTRICTIVE FARE CONDITIONS APPLY.

  PROVIDED -

    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER EK IN

    RULE CA02 IN TARIFF

    IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL

    OR RULE BR02 IN TARIFF

    IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2

    VIA ATL

    IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/

    MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -

    AREA 3

    OR RULE US02 IN TARIFF

    IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.

OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS

  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS

  WITH EK FARES

  -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS

   A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

   PERMITTED.

  -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS

  -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS WITH EK FARES

   A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

   PERMITTED.

  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -

    THE MOST RESTRICTIVE FARE CONDITIONS APPLY.

  PROVIDED -

    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -LXIPUS1/-LWIPUS1 TYPE

    FARES FOR CARRIER EK IN RULE UST1 IN TARIFF

    IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.

END-ON-END

  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC

  FARES WITHIN UNITED STATES. VALIDATE ALL FARE

  COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO

  RESTRICTIONS.

END-ON-END

  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE

  COMBINATIONS.

  PROVIDED -

    COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER FZ.



[HIP/Mileage Exceptions]

THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR

CONNECTIONS.

AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY

      FOR STOPOVERS.

      NOTE -

       SURCHARGE AND EXCESS MILEAGE CAN BE IGNORED.

       HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR

       STOPOVERS/CONNECTIONS.

       --------------------------------------------------

       THESE FARES SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED/CHECKED WITH

       THE FOLLOWING-

       - HIGH IMMEDIATE FARE       -HIF-

       - CIRCLE TRIP MINIMUM CHECK -CTM-



[Ticket Endorsement]

THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED

- NON-END/SKYWARDS SAVER - AND - CHK-IN REWARD-UPGRADE

- IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.



[Children Discounts]

CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF

  THE FARE.

      TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.

  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME

    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.

OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10

       PERCENT OF THE FARE.

           TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.

       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME

         COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.

      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

       IN THE EVENT THAT AN INFANT REACHES HIS/HER

       SECOND BIRTHDAY AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL

       A SEAT MUST BE BOOKED FOR THE REMAINING SECTORS

       OF THE JOURNEY AND THE APPROPRIATE CHILD FARE

       FOR THESE TICKETS MUST BE CHARGED.

OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75

       PERCENT OF THE FARE.

           TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.

       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME

         COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.

OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 100

       PERCENT OF THE FARE.

           TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.



[Tour Conductor Discounts]

TUR/TOUR CONDUCTOR PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.



[Agent Discounts]

AGT/AGENT PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.



[Eligibility]

NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.



[Accompanied Travel]

ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.



[Travel Restrictions]

NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.



[All Other Discounts]

NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.



[Miscellaneous Provisions]

NO PROVISIONS APPLY.



[Fare By Rule]

NOT APPLICABLE.



[Groups]

NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.



[Tours]

NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.



[Visit Another Country]

NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.



[Deposits]

NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.



[Voluntary Changes]

<SPECIFIC CATEGORY REQUEST REQUIRED> FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.



[Voluntary Refunds]

NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.



[Negotiated Fares]

NOT APPLICABLE.



[International Construction]

NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE

Ah, I see. I'm still a bit confused, though. Shouldn't something like that surcharge show up under taxes and fees when the flight shows in ITA Matrix? The price difference shows directly on the base fare, which seems strange to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aardvarkk (Post 22160356)

ITA includes Q-type Surcharges with the Fare amount.
Yx-type surcharges are shown separately under Fees/Taxes.

That clears things up, thanks!

I purchased KVS because I thought it would help me with booking *A awards on a trip to Europe and MLE, but I'm running in to a few problems...

A few days ago, UA's site showed Business Saver availability for 2 seats on Sep 24 from MLE to IST (TK 731, departing 23:40). Today it doesn't show up. However, KVS does show "CS" availability. I looked on UA's site again right after, and again it shows as "not available" for Business Saver.

Which tool is right?

I'm using the "Awards/StarAlliance" search method

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22166374)

The [Awards/StarAlliance] Method in the KVS Tool is more authoritative than UA.com.

If it shows that Award Seats are available, then you can call UA MP to book them (regardless of what UA.com does or does not show).

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22167843)

The [Awards/StarAlliance] Method in the KVS Tool is more authoritative than UA.com.

Thanks for your quick response. Is this true for all *A carriers as well? For example, I searched 31 OCT 2014 for LHR-YUL. UA.com shows Saver Business available for AC865, but KVS only shows Saver Coach. Awards/AC-StarAlliance also shows only Saver Coach. Which is correct?

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-STD]

LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
FRI 31 Oct 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
AC 865 LHR 13:30 YUL 16:55 333 0 FS/ CS- YS+

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]

LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
YUL Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
FRI 31 Oct 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
AC 865 LHR 13:30 YUL 16:55 333 0 YS+

Quote:

UA's site:

Depart:
1:30 p.m.
Sat., Nov. 1, 2014
London, England (LHR - Heathrow)

Arrive:
4:55 p.m.
Sat., Nov. 1, 2014
Montreal, QC Canada (YUL - Trudeau)
Flight Time:
7 hr 25 mn

Travel Time:
26 hr 5 mn
Flight: AC865
Operated by Air Canada.
Aircraft: Airbus A330-300
Fare Class: Business (I)
Meal: Meal
No Special Meal Offered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22168431)

Thanks for your quick response. Is this true for all *A carriers as well?

Generally, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22168431)

For example, I searched 31 OCT 2014 for LHR-YUL. UA.com shows Saver Business available for AC865, but KVS only shows Saver Coach. Awards/AC-StarAlliance also shows only Saver Coach. Which is correct?

Your dates do not match:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 22168431)

FRI 31 Oct 2014 | 2 Seats

UA's site:

Depart:
1:30 p.m.
Sat., Nov. 1, 2014

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

YUL  Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]

SAT  01 Nov 2014 | 2 Seats



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------

AC         865     LHR   13:30     YUL   16:55     333  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

Derp. You're right. Thanks again for the quick help!

Registration code

I think I may closed some windows to quickly! I just signed up at the diamond level and haven't received a registration code. I think I saw window addressing this but instead of making it bigger I closed it. Any suggestions.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulley (Post 22172782)

Welcome to KVS Tool!

You have done everything correctly and should have received a Temporary Registration Code at the time of sign-up.

If not, please be sure to check your Spam/Junk e-mail folder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22173519)

I have J seats and want to know if/when F seats become available. Did I set this up correctly? Thanks, Pulley

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/CX-OneWorld]

LAX Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
SUN 14 Dec 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
CX 881 LAX 00:05 HKG 07:40 +1 77W 0 FS@
CX 893 LAX 08:25 HKG 16:05 +1 77W 0 FS@
CX 885 LAX 11:25 HKG 19:05 +1 77W 0 FS@
CX 883 LAX 22:20 HKG 06:00 +2 77W 0 FS@

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulley (Post 22173985)

I have J seats and want to know if/when F seats become available. Did I set this up correctly? Thanks, Pulley

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Awards/CX-OneWorld]

If you are not using CX miles, then you may wish to use [Awards/JL-OneWorld] or [Awards/BA-OneWorld] instead:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22174205)

If you are not using CX miles, then you may wish to use [Awards/JL-OneWorld] or [Awards/BA-OneWorld] instead:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

I just changed it to BA-OneWorld. If/when seats become available will I get an automatic email?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulley (Post 22174318)

I just changed it to BA-OneWorld. If/when seats become available will I get an automatic email?

Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulley (Post 22174318)

I just changed it to BA-OneWorld. If/when seats become available will I get an automatic email?

No, that is not a service KVS offers. My understanding is that the BA-OneWorld method essentially uses your BA Executive Club credentials to run a search directly on the BA website when you click to search, and presents the output in a compact format. It does not cache your BA credentials or run automatic checks from time to time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22174328)

Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q35

Thanks for the link.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 20788421)

This is something that is handled by our online payments provider and they are based in California.

For further details, please contact us via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

I'm late to this because I just noticed the charges for taxes for my renewal.

It doesn't matter where the online payments provider is located. In California, only goods are taxed, not services. The KVS Tool is a service and should not be taxed to California residents.

AA.com shows availability, KVS does not

I ran a test search using Awards/OneWorld and Awards/BA-OneWorld.

It was:
ZRH->JFK, 14 JUL 2014.
No filter
Everything else default.

In both queries, AA.com shows availability (BA719,BA179; BA719, BA189) for 4+ passengers.

In KVS it says "No Award Availability / Route Too Complex" when I try Awards/BA-OneWorld.

When I try Awards/OneWorld I get (BA715, BA187). This doesn't show up at all on AA.com

Can anyone help reconcile the differences?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzoom84 (Post 22196556)

Can anyone help reconcile the differences?

There are actually no differences -- please see our reply in the KVS Availability Tool - AA & AADV Thread.