NJDavid,

I am most disappointed to see you post what you did. I have enjoyed being on FT with you and now another site...but slamming FT and Randy like you did in this thread is highly uncool.

Sincerely,

Dorian

cigarman: Randy posted in the thread in which the other board was brought up:

You can keep on with this, but you'll have to go elsewhere. Again, this is my personal forum and I think a few of you have disrespected that. And it's more than one person.

I interpreted that as meaning that Randy would rather we not have discussions about moremiles. I'm just trying to respect that. If I'm wrong in my interpretation, and Randy tells me that, I'd be glad to post more. It's not some "rule" I or anyone else made up.

By the way, I never said that I thought it would be an insult to Randy. That's your word. I used the word "inappropriate," and I used it because of Randy's post which I cite above.

What ever happened to the mantra TALK TRAVEL??????

Next person to post on this thread is a rotten egg!!!!!!! (unless, of course, it's Randy)

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What about me?

No, cigarman. NJD and myself and many others have been very vocal about the need for moderation on FT for well over a year.

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On the other hand nobody has ever been able to make a persuasive case about who the censors (oops I meant moderators) are and what should be censored and what should not be censored.

Good point PG. So far, most of the very limited "moderation" activity on FT has been to close down threads that have gone over the line. The posts themselves are most often not edited or deleted, and anyone can still read the offending threads and posts in their original form. People can always dredge them up and post links to these old topics.

In the absence of policy and/or enforcement of policy, simply closing down threads is insufficient in my opinion.

FewMiles..

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IM4TRAVEL. Well I have not seen that anywhere, (and have had a lot of email on this) and can't imagine that will ever happen to be honest. So, given that reality, the handful of FT'ers who have decided to run their own puny little elitist competing 'board' will just continue as above, saying "if I am asked to leave I will" and knowing full well that will never happen. (But still feel entirely free as cigarman pointed out, to pop by and complain and moan as before about what they have turned their backs on, as chatting among themselves is clearly terribly dull!) Just seems cynical (I was going to use another word) to me to source their members entirely from FlyerTalk, and then abuse that host source at the same time.

It seems a little to me like selling your home, moving to Kansas, but being rude enough to drop on by to pick the apples and vegetables out of the back yard whenever your felt like it, simply as you helped plant out or sow the garden.

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Since when do adults need moderation.

Dan

ozstamps, with all due respect, some of what you say is true, but much of what you say is simply untrue. As one of the founders of what you refer to as the "competing board" I can state catagorically that the site is not elitist. The site is in a beta test phase while the kinks in the system, of which there are many, are ironed out. The reason there are a limited number of participants in the board right now is that you need a few posts to see where the problems are. It's quite simple. Once the kinks are ironed out, the site will be opened to any and all, yourself included. Right now, the place is a mess, but getting better every day. We just felt it would be a nice idea to cook a few meals in the new kitchen before we open the doors to the public, eh? Seems only prudent, wouldn't you agree?

As for being 'competing', again, a point of clarification. I love FlyerTalk and have enjoyed Randy's hospitality for over two years. I still love FT and am a regular participant. I have never, ever, made any claim that I would leave. FT is a wonderful site with a wealth of information. I am here to stay. However, sometimes I want a steak and sometimes I want fish. I love them both equally but sometimes I'm in the mood for one more than the other. If I want a steak, I'll go to the Balkan Grill. If I want fish, I'll go to the Balkan Seafood. Similar in style, perhaps, but offering entirely different menus. And, rest assured, if I have a problem with either meal, I'll send my opinion to the kitchen right away. I call it constructive criticism.

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If possible, could you perhaps kindly elaborate somewhat on the differing "menus" at the two "NON-competing" sites please?

geo1004. If the manager of the Balkan Grill knew the manager of the Balkan Seafood had stolen all his clients by whatever means, he'd be nuts to let you near the place is my first thought. Certainly not let you in for free food when and if it suited you. Luckily, I do not own any restaurants.

I am rather surprised that as an acknowledged ring leader/initiator of the apparently squeeky clean, moderated cloisters over at moremiles, that your FlyerTalk ID at the left of your post labels all the rest of us apparent yokels still here as Morons. Is that kinda language allowed over on moremiles?? Or only when you pop over here to visit? Just wondering. (The bolding below is mine, the words are yours.)

geo1004
FT Evangelist
Posts: 2055
From: Alexandria, Virginia, USA - Talk Travel you Morons!!!
Registered: Jan 99

And weird you should for some reason post about the Balkan Seafood Restaurant in Sydney as your example. I took Randy Petersen for dinner there, quite literally. Rather Freudian isn't it? And Randy, being a real Gentleman, did not send any opinion whatever to the kitchen about HIS meal. 'Food for thought', to use a rather apt pun.

And for anyone wondering WHAT on earth we are referring to here, (or sadly don't want to think this thread is about anything other than seafood) here is a review - Balkan Seafood Restaurant


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Geo,

With all due respect...as you know I participate on FT and MoreMiles. I don't agree with your analogy.

The only difference between the two boards is (extreme) moderation and number of members. Sure the forums have fun little (cryptic?) names...but essentially same stuff, different pile.

Dorian

One has to choose one or the other? No. I enjoy both of those establishments. One does not exclude the other for me or anyone else, IMHO.


I use the word moron on FT, on the "other board" and in my day to day conversations. More often than not to describe myself. And, truth be known, I have that line posted as an inside joke with a fellow FlyerTalker.



No. You and I exchanged private emails about your dinner with Randy at the Balkan. My archives show that Freud was not part of that email exchange.



To each his own. I dine out frequently and restaurant owners/chefs are usually very open to my polite critisisms. Taken in context, constructive criticisms often lead to improvement. They also enjoy my praise as well. Nice to hear when you're doing something appreciated as well, eh?

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Since I was not invited in moremiles, I do not know what goes there. But a lot of new ideas and tips in FT come from infrequent posters and non-oldtimers. For example in the Northwest forum szerfam, registered Oct 2000 with 17 postings to date, broke the news of the 10K promotion, and this thread has had 288 responses so far. In addition, Randy was able to invite a Northwest rep wp to the board who has helped countless number of people with this promotion. This is not a "nusiance(sic) and laughing stock" as NJDavid falsely claims.

A closed loop group of small number of people is going to have to rely on other forums like FlyerTalk for tips. Nor would they have company reps. Nor would they be able to help a newcomer with a FF question, as often happens in FT.

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