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Calchas May 3, 2016 2:40 am


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 26569544)
So the question is, does CX tell JAL I flew at class D or class Z?

CX will tell JL that you flew in Z class. It is unlikely you will get any credit for the flight.

Kiwi Flyer May 3, 2016 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 26569544)
You misunderstad my point, because of my explaination isn't good.

JAL said I can't JL ciredit partner miles soley based on booking class whatever price is paid.
I specifically asked CX's upgrade case.
JMB sevice center confirmed I couldn't earn any miles at all even I paid business class fare.
JMB service representative doesn' know what will happen in this case.
Because for JAL's own upgrade case, JAL explicitly says it is credited base on the original ticket. However, partner miles crediting, they say 'solely based on booking class whatever paid'.

So the question is, does CX tell JAL I flew at class D or class Z?

That is not what happens in my experience. CX advises other FFPs the paid class (ie D) and miles post based on that.

Calchas May 3, 2016 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 26572184)
That is not what happens in my experience. CX advises other FFPs the paid class (ie D) and miles post based on that.

Is that your experience with CX? BA, AA and IB do not do this ...

thois May 10, 2016 2:28 pm

Can I somehow include codeshares in Southwest Pacific area in xONEx ticket?

I just made ex JNB LONE6 booking through AA RTW desk. I was planning to include BNE-PER with AA flight number (operated by QA) and AKL-HKG with AY flight number (operated by CX), but the agent told me that codeshares can be included only within North America and flying to/from North America. There is availability in the flight I requested according to Experflyer.

However, fare rule sheet specify

Travel on any AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M codeshare service
operated by AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M is permitted.
So the rule is probably made by AA? If the booking will be ticketed with operating carrier flight number, could I probably just change the flights to AA/AY flight number with some other OW representative? I don't want to include CX flight number in the ticket, because it won't give any miles to AA.

Calchas May 10, 2016 3:45 pm

The rule was invented by that particular AA agent. You can include codeshared where they would be normally allowed.

Kiwi Flyer May 11, 2016 1:39 am

Welcome to Flyer Talk thois :)

Codeshare often (not always) require connections to/from the relevant airline - in your examples LAX-SYD on AA or HKG-HEL on AY.

Calchas May 11, 2016 5:12 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 26607831)
Welcome to Flyer Talk thois :)

Codeshare often (not always) require connections to/from the relevant airline - in your examples LAX-SYD on AA or HKG-HEL on AY.

If I may make a technical point, neither of these codeshares require connections. They must simply be in conjunction with an AA-coded transpacific or transatlantic flight also on the same ticket.

For instance, here is AA PER-BNE one month apart from the AA transpacific sector:

http://i.imgur.com/E5vRYaxl.png

In Europe, I have flown many AA sectors unconnected to their preceding flights. There may be some specific rule for oneworld RTW tickets but I am a little suspicious about that.

thois May 11, 2016 11:17 am

Ok, that was propably the real reason. Thanks for answers.

Actually, another agent agreed to put AY codeshare to the booking, but it came back from the pricing as invalid. I had QF flight between the AA coded intercontinental leg and the BNE-PER leg, as my routing was DFW-SYD-ZQN-BNE-PER-AKL-HKG-MNL.

Trying another routing pulled up another question. I would have been interested of including ZQN-MEL leg in the booking. Only direct flights within OW are QF coded operated by JQ. Expertflyer shows availability on the flight.
Agent at AA RTW desk said that the service don't show up in their system. Also called QF, they cannot see it either. The direct connection doesn't even shop up in the OW route map. So would it be possible to include this leg as direct flight in xONEx ticket somehow?

deconz May 17, 2016 3:12 am


Originally Posted by thois (Post 26609906)
I would have been interested of including ZQN-MEL leg in the booking. Only direct flights within OW are QF coded operated by JQ.

So would it be possible to include this leg as direct flight in xONEx ticket somehow?

JQ operated flights are not permitted - sorry!

pandaperth May 17, 2016 8:42 am


Originally Posted by deconz (Post 26637463)
JQ operated flights are not permitted - sorry!

Not quite correct.
The actual rule is:

4(i)Travel on any AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M codeshare service operated by AA/AB/AY/BA/CX/HG/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M is permitted.
Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).
And yes - QF does codeshare on JQ's ZQN-MEL service

Himeno May 18, 2016 3:52 am


Originally Posted by deconz (Post 26637463)
JQ operated flights are not permitted - sorry!

QF coded JQ flights are allowed on most oneworld fares. However, it limits who can issue the ticket to those member airlines that have an interline agreement with JQ.
QF also does not sell codeshare seats on JQ flights in any J class, so the JQ flights with business (787 operated flights) will not have any QF coded D seats and anyone using a QF coded JQ flight on an A, D or I oneworld product will be stuck in L.

Calchas May 18, 2016 5:14 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 26643189)
QF also does not sell codeshare seats on JQ flights in any J class, so the JQ flights with business (787 operated flights) will not have any QF coded D seats and anyone using a QF coded JQ flight on an A, D or I oneworld product will be stuck in L.

Does anyone understand the business logic of that?

thois May 20, 2016 5:19 pm

Does the most significant carrier baggage rule apply to the xONEx fares?

Oneworld explorer rules say

Two free pieces of 23 kilos each shall be permitted. Additional allowances may apply. Refer to individual carrier
websites.
MSC in my DONE5 ticket is AA and first carrier is BA.

AA rules allow 2x32kg/158cm in Business, so this is counted as additional allowance? As I understand, according to the MSC rule this additional allowance applies to the whole itionary. Can someone confirm this?

Calchas May 21, 2016 4:19 am


Originally Posted by thois (Post 26657939)
Does the most significant carrier baggage rule apply to the xONEx fares?

Oneworld explorer rules say


MSC in my DONE5 ticket is AA and first carrier is BA.

AA rules allow 2x32kg/158cm in Business, so this is counted as additional allowance? As I understand, according to the MSC rule this additional allowance applies to the whole itionary. Can someone confirm this?

The MSC rule only applies for each baggage journey --- between drop and pick up.

So even if the MSC rule applied, unless your trip had no stopovers (which is disallowed by the rules anyway), it would not apply a single allowance to the whole journey.

To muddy the waters a little, if your journey begins or ends in the US, the MSC rule is pre-emoted by DoT regulations; and that regulation does apply to the whole itinerary.

bakaneko85 May 27, 2016 6:52 am

For a ticket issued through a TA, is it possible for me to make the change directly with the ticketing airline pre departure? Have an ex NRT ticket issued by a very useless TA (Co policy). In the past they have managed to complicate even the simplest requests/instruction and even gave wrong info, so am keen to to avoid any dealing with them when possible, not to mention possible extra cost. Now, i just realized that 1 segment i'm flying on AY metal is actually a code share with BA and would like to change the flight code to BA if possible as BA flights accumulate double mileage on JL mileage program. Getting BA coded flight itself should be ok as I would be flying on BA on the preceding segment. I would like to contact JL as the ticketing carrier to change the code, but would this be possible or would i have to go through my useless TA? TIA


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