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danger Jul 21, 2016 6:15 am

I thought I was clear on the rule about terminating in a different country than the originating country but now I'm confused.

Rule 4(c) states:
Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India
Does this mean that if, for example, you originate in Johannesburg and terminate in Windhoek, Namibia you must allow a final surface sector JNB-WDH? That is to say, there would be a wasted sector such that, at most, you could have only 15 flight sectors with the final sector being the surface sector?

I was under the impression that this rule meant simply you could terminate in a different country than you originated but the inclusion of the words "surface segments" has me confused.

On a separate note I see that the tool now allows pricing of itineraries where QR is the first carrier.

ajnaro Jul 21, 2016 6:34 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 26947199)


...Does this mean that if, for example, you originate in Johannesburg and terminate in Windhoek, Namibia you must allow a final surface sector JNB-WDH? That is to say, there would be a wasted sector such that, at most, you could have only 15 flight sectors with the final sector being the surface sector?

I just got a ticket with 16 segments originating in MPM and terminating in JNB. Nobody mentioned the problem you mentioned. Not only is there no JNB-MPM in oneworld, it would have been the 17th segment. In the past this whole problem has never come up.

danger Jul 21, 2016 6:50 am


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26947253)
I just got a ticket with 16 segments originating in MPM and terminating in JNB. Nobody mentioned the problem you mentioned. Not only is there no JNB-MPM in oneworld, it would have been the 17th segment. In the past this whole problem has never come up.

That has been my understanding but a travel agent I've been dealing with in Maputo has reverted an email from Qatar saying "Kindly advise the passenger that his journey should end in the same country he initially originated from". My itinerary begins in MPM and ends in JNB. Obviously Qatar clearly has no clue about the rules but when I went to the rule sheet to provide the rule back to the TA, I was concerned about the "surface segment" language.

Calchas Jul 21, 2016 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by danger (Post 26947199)
I thought I was clear on the rule about terminating in a different country than the originating country but now I'm confused.

Rule 4(c) states:
Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India
Does this mean that if, for example, you originate in Johannesburg and terminate in Windhoek, Namibia you must allow a final surface sector JNB-WDH? That is to say, there would be a wasted sector such that, at most, you could have only 15 flight sectors with the final sector being the surface sector?

I was under the impression that this rule meant simply you could terminate in a different country than you originated but the inclusion of the words "surface segments" has me confused.

Your original view is correct. The final "surface sector" between origin and destination is not actually a surface sector, in the (IATA-defined) meaning of the world "surface sector".

It is not a sector at all but rather a difference in origin and destination. It will not contribute to your limit.

Indeed I am not convinced that any eticketing system could count a final sector as a surface sector, even if a TA or an airline desired to create a ticket like this.


Originally Posted by danger (Post 26947306)
That has been my understanding but a travel agent I've been dealing with in Maputo has reverted an email from Qatar saying "Kindly advise the passenger that his journey should end in the same country he initially originated from". My itinerary begins in MPM and ends in JNB. Obviously Qatar clearly has no clue about the rules but when I went to the rule sheet to provide the rule back to the TA, I was concerned about the "surface segment" language.

Qatar are not the sharpest knives in the book and their senior management do not inspire initiative. Good luck. You may have better luck if your TA tries ticketing with another airline. The ticket may be validly issued on the stock of (almost) any oneworld airline.

Dr. HFH Jul 21, 2016 7:40 pm

Fugeddaboutit, danger. Call AA or BA and book/ticket with one of them. They have the experience with the OneWorld Explorer product so that these problems are much less likely to occur.

danger Jul 21, 2016 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 26950830)
Fugeddaboutit, danger. Call AA or BA and book/ticket with one of them. They have the experience with the OneWorld Explorer product so that these problems are much less likely to occur.

Yep, that certainly seems to be the sentiment. I had started working with Mozambique agents after the ex-South Africa fares went through the room and before anyone noticed that the rules about purchasing from a different country than the one you originate in had changed.

pbd456 Jul 21, 2016 9:08 pm

how much does ex MPM really cost? i believe the expeetflyer price is not right.

christep Jul 21, 2016 9:59 pm

Could I ask that one of the current experts with a bit of free time has a review of the Wiki attached to this post? It seems to me that it is seriously out of date, but I'm no longer enough of an expert on these tickets to do it myself.

JAXBA Jul 22, 2016 10:05 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26951143)
how much does ex MPM really cost? i believe the expeetflyer price is not right.

The D fares as currently stored in Amadeus, displayed in NUCs:

Code:

FQDMPMMPM/15NOV/VRW/ABA/CD/R,NUC
ROE 58.96300 UP TO 10.00 MZN                                                   
15NOV16**29NOV16/BA MPMMPM/NLX;RW/TPM ...../MPM .....                         
LN FARE BASIS    OW  NUC  RT  B PEN  DATES/DAYS  AP MIN MAX R               
01 DONE4                2752.57 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
02 DGLOB34              2752.57 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
03 DONE5                3137.56 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
04 DONE6                3815.95 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
>                                                PAGE  1/ 1

A DONE4 would be USD2753 plus TFCs, a DONE6 USD3816+

Other booking classes are similarly low...

anc305 Jul 22, 2016 11:31 am

I know the 75k RDMs limit is being debated but wanted see if folks agree that this does not effect the EQMs ? I presume these would be unlimited for a RTW ticket ?

pbd456 Jul 22, 2016 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 26953636)
I know the 75k RDMs limit is being debated but wanted see if folks agree that this does not effect the EQMs ? I presume these would be unlimited for a RTW ticket ?

my guess is EQM will not be affected. RDM only cap on AA segment.

pbd456 Jul 22, 2016 10:13 pm

i am.trying to get AA ticket. so i have to fly SCL DFW HKG with has YR of 150 usd. after i fly, if i were to change to SCL jfk HKG ON cx. change fee is 125. would i be able to pay that via the tax difference?

pbd456 Jul 23, 2016 1:27 am

do u know how ofteb ROE is being adjusted?

stex Jul 28, 2016 6:47 am

Quick question, mostly to make sure I read the fare rules correctly: I booked an ex-SA DONE5 in March 2016 with BA. I might need to cancel the RTW ticket, and I would like to if I am correct in assuming that I would be able to get 100% refund on the BA issued ex-SA DONE5..? Thanks for your help!

stex Jul 28, 2016 6:50 am

Apologies, I left out important details about the previous post: I have not starter my DONE5 ex-SA yet... It is due to start in Fall 2016.


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