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747-444 Jul 4, 2016 10:19 am

Hi All,

Please see my comments in (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...l#post26868910) from post 228-230.

If I can please get some certainty around my routing and if it works I will fight the good fight for the OneWorld members to find an airline or way to issue tickets from Maputo.

Please provide all feedback and queries.

Is MPM-DOH-SYD-MEL-LAX-(surface sector)-SCL-ORD-PHL-LHR-MAD-LHR-JNB an acceptable DONE4 routing?

I am a bit stumped about Rule 4, E, 3: "If travel to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa"
That seems to stump me if my routing will work.

Ibhayi.

skipaway Jul 4, 2016 10:56 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 26868942)
Hi All,
I am a bit stumped about Rule 4, E, 3: "If travel to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa"
That seems to stump me if my routing will work.
Ibhayi.

MPM-MPM (or ending elsewhere in Africa other than SA or Mauritius) should be OK if you can book it. Rule 4E3 whould not apply. Just that last JNB on your itinerary would have to change. Then add a flight to South Africa if you want to visit there. I'm pretty certain the skeleton coast would also work and be bookable. I am anxious to see if anyone can book from MPM. I might give it a try when I get some time. Good luck to you--anxiously awaiting report. :)

747-444 Jul 4, 2016 11:12 am


Originally Posted by skipaway (Post 26869058)
MPM-MPM (or ending elsewhere in Africa other than SA or Mauritius) should be OK if you can book it. Rule 4E3 whould not apply. Just that last JNB on your itinerary would have to change. Then add a flight to South Africa if you want to visit there. I'm pretty certain the skeleton coast would also work and be bookable. I am anxious to see if anyone can book from MPM. I might give it a try when I get some time. Good luck to you--anxiously awaiting report. :)

Thanks Skipaway. I am thinking of LHR-JNB-WDH and seeing what happens.

Time to call Qantas back again. 5th call. The 4th got disconnected.

Cashew1977 Jul 11, 2016 6:17 am

Agents in WDH
 
Hi fellow travellers... anyone have a good agent in WDH to book Oneworld RTW?
thanks!

zoombee Jul 16, 2016 6:11 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 25750483)
As many of you know, AA is drastically revising its FFP with some potentially significant reductions (and maybe some improvements) in the benefits of premium cabin RTWs. One passage in the new AA FAQ states that a maximum of 75,000 redeemable miles can be claimed on "one ticket." Presumably that would apply to Oneworld Explorer tickets just as it would to "ordinary" tickets.

But it raised a question in my mind, one that I probably should know, but don't remember. When one reissues an xONEx ticket - say for a routing change - does the "new" ticket have the same ticket number as the old one? I know the PNR stays the same, but what about the ticket numbers?

Obviously looking for a loophole here, and would appreciate anybody who knows the answer answering.

Did we get anywhere with understanding if/how this applies to an xONEx? Key questions:

Does the cap apply to xONEx tickets? If so:
Does it matter if it's re-ticketed? (e.g. routing change)
Does pre 1st August earning count towards the cap?
Is there a difference between theory and practice (e.g.: yes there's a cap but they likely won't apply it in XYZ circumstances).

Any clues on if even AA knows the answers to these?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, was the only place I could find discussion of it -- albeit from some time ago.

Dr. HFH Jul 17, 2016 12:37 am


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 26924414)
Does it matter if it's re-ticketed? (e.g. routing change)

This has some interesting possibilities. When xONEx tickets are reticketed, they get new ticket numbers. It's likely that the previous number will appear in the "Issued in exchange for" field (box on paper tix). Then the question is whether the system is set up to catch and track this, linking the tickets for this purpose.

pbd456 Jul 18, 2016 11:34 am

i was reviewing my AA account. it appears that on AA segment is attached to a ticket number. However, my DONE4 is ticketed by CX and i have no credit any AA segment to AA yet (and no plan since u get elite bonus on JL.)

JohnAx Jul 18, 2016 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 26924414)
Did we get anywhere with understanding if/how this applies to an xONEx? Key questions:

Does the cap apply to xONEx tickets? If so:
Does it matter if it's re-ticketed? (e.g. routing change)
Does pre 1st August earning count towards the cap?
Is there a difference between theory and practice (e.g.: yes there's a cap but they likely won't apply it in XYZ circumstances).

Any clues on if even AA knows the answers to these?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, was the only place I could find discussion of it -- albeit from some time ago.

If it matters, call AA's ATW desk. It will probably help to ask for one of the 'legacy' agents by name, if any remain.

serfty Jul 18, 2016 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26933745)
i was reviewing my AA account. it appears that on AA segment is attached to a ticket number. However, my DONE4 is ticketed by CX and i have no credit any AA segment to AA yet (and no plan since u get elite bonus on JL.)

I am not sure what you mean here.

AA's ticket numbers begin with 001- and CX's with 160- (or 043-).

Gardyloo Jul 18, 2016 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26933745)
i was reviewing my AA account. it appears that on AA segment is attached to a ticket number. However, my DONE4 is ticketed by CX and i have no credit any AA segment to AA yet (and no plan since u get elite bonus on JL.)


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 26934775)
I am not sure what you mean here.

AA's ticket numbers begin with 001- and CX's with 160- (or 043-).

In my experience AA miles on xONEx segments flown on CX take some time to appear. A call to AAdvantage Customer Service usually clears it up. Hopefully you retained the boarding pass.


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 26924414)
Did we get anywhere with understanding if/how this applies to an xONEx? Key questions:

Does the cap apply to xONEx tickets? If so:
Does it matter if it's re-ticketed? (e.g. routing change)
Does pre 1st August earning count towards the cap?
Is there a difference between theory and practice (e.g.: yes there's a cap but they likely won't apply it in XYZ circumstances).

Any clues on if even AA knows the answers to these?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, was the only place I could find discussion of it -- albeit from some time ago.

AA has been hiccuping on the rollout of the rules regarding EQM and EQD metrics on partner fares. I think it's still too early to know, and I doubt very much if anybody in the RTW group, or in AAdvantage itself, knows enough about it to say anything definitively. Look here (airline by airline) for EQM/EQD figures (post August 2016) - https://www.aa.com/i18n/aadvantage-p...r-airlines.jsp

My own conclusion, based on what I'll admit are probably "worst case" suspicions, is that using RTWs as a fast-track method to earning or retaining AA status, or as a way to build up a big batch of redeemable miles, is over. I'm seriously looking at *gasp* BA as a possible alternative, even with the dire surcharges and lousy redemption rates for many routes.

Calchas Jul 19, 2016 7:37 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 26927302)
This has some interesting possibilities. When xONEx tickets are reticketed, they get new ticket numbers. It's likely that the previous number will appear in the "Issued in exchange for" field (box on paper tix). Then the question is whether the system is set up to catch and track this, linking the tickets for this purpose.

A reissue (or an exchange) always gives a new ticket number. (And in the case of conjunction tickets, that applies for each of the tickets in the ticket booklet.)

If the change only requires a revalidation, the ticket number will stay the same. Only the carrier prefix, flight number, date and booking code can be changed by a revalidation. (And the flight carrier prefix can only be changed by an airline not by a travel agent; a TA would have to reissue or exchange the ticket.)

Any other change requires a reissue or an exchange.

If there is any fee, refund, or price change to collect then the ticket will be reissued.

However the previous ticket number(s) are referenced on the new ticket.

This is general to any kind of airline ticket.

ajnaro Jul 19, 2016 7:54 am

With the new rules for partner flights credited to AAdvantage, it would seem to be better to issue rtw tickets with some other oneworld carrier and avoid AA coded segments, even when crediting flights to AAdvantage as the principal frequent flyer program or actually flying on American metal. That strategy seems to result in more reward miles, the same number of status miles and more status dollars. The 75,000 mile limit would not apply, the four annual AA coded segments are no longer required, and there is no more 12,000 mile bonus for AA premium segments. Am I missing something?

Dr. HFH Jul 19, 2016 8:56 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 26937610)
If the change only requires a revalidation, the ticket number will stay the same. Only the carrier prefix, flight number, date and booking code can be changed by a revalidation.

In the old days, this would hvae been done with a sticker, right?



Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26937672)
With the new rules for partner flights credited to AAdvantage, it would seem to be better to issue rtw tickets with some other oneworld carrier and avoid AA coded segments, even when crediting flights to AAdvantage as the principal frequent flyer program or actually flying on American metal. That strategy seems to result in more reward miles, the same number of status miles and more status dollars. The 75,000 mile limit would not apply, the four annual AA coded segments are no longer required, and there is no more 12,000 mile bonus for AA premium segments. Am I missing something?

Does it matter who issues the ticket? What matters is the program to which you're crediting the miles, right?

ajnaro Jul 19, 2016 11:41 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 26937948)

Does it matter who issues the ticket? What matters is the program to which you're crediting the miles, right?

I suppose that if AA issues the ticket they will know the price and credit award miles and status dollars accordingly as a block for the entire trip. From what I have seen, it seems that the calculations would come out much more favorably if each individual segment is credited separately. I think that even segments flown on AA metal will get better credit as partner flights. But, of course, nobody really knows at the moment and some instability is to be expected at first. AAdvantage hasn't even mentioned rtw tickets in any of the new rules I have seen.

Calchas Jul 19, 2016 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 26937948)
In the old days, this would hvae been done with a sticker, right?

Yep. The sticker had a certain size with only certain fields in it. TAs got a different sticker to airlines (they couldn't cover up the "Carrier"
column.

and the same rules of the sticker apply today :D


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