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pandaperth Sep 9, 2016 10:15 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 27187824)
Thanks for your helpful suggestions.
A related question for planning this trip:
Can Oneworld Explorer end with an overland segment from where I really intend to finish to where I started?
If so, are there any rules about it (e.g. overland segment must be in the same continent)?
Thanks

As long as your Origin-Destination surface complies with this rule, then yes it is allowed:

4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India
Note also that this segment does NOT count as one of the maximum 16 segments allowed.

Calchas Sep 9, 2016 11:59 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 27187551)
I am trying to purchase an LONE3 or LONE4 starting in VVO with an internal S7 flight.
However, a UK travel agent I have previously used to book Oneworld Explorer fares before says
"The Oneworld Explorer fare is offered from Asia, but not every city or country. In this case, Russia doesn’t offer one."
Thanks

That's total nonsense.


Originally Posted by christep (Post 27187622)
Find a better travel agent!

+1


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 27187824)
Thanks for your helpful suggestions.
A related question for planning this trip:
Can Oneworld Explorer end with an overland segment from where I really intend to finish to where I started?
If so, are there any rules about it (e.g. overland segment must be in the same continent)?
Thanks

Technically, you cannot end (or start) an air ticket with a surface sector; it's not something that makes any sense. But the fare rules in this case allow the final city to be different from the start city.

Code:

C.TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
            FARES ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE
            SAME POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN - DESTINATION
            SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW -
                    A-  WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                    B - WITHIN AFRICA
                    C - BETWEEN MALDIVES AND SRILANKA/INDIA

NB, I am pretty sure this used to allow BETWEEN UNITED STATES/CANADA explicitly?

EDIT: looking at the historical rules last November, they allowed
Code:

          C. TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
            FARE ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE
            SAME POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN - DESTINATION
            SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW -
                    A- WITHIN THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                    B- WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST
                    C- BETWEEN THE UNITED STATE AND CANADA
                    D- BETWEEN HKG AND CHINA
                    E- BETWEEN MALAYSIA AND SINGAPORE
                    F- WITHIN AFRICA
                    G- BETWEEN MALDIVES AND SRILANKA/INDIA

EDIT 2: Please regard the rules A-G as the current rules in effect.

pandaperth Sep 9, 2016 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27188676)
... But the fare rules in this case allow the final city to be different from the start city.

Code:

C.TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
            FARES ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE
            SAME POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN - DESTINATION
            SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW -
                    A-  WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                    B - WITHIN AFRICA
                    C - BETWEEN MALDIVES AND SRILANKA/INDIA

NB, I am pretty sure this used to allow BETWEEN UNITED STATES/CANADA explicitly?

...

Where do you look up the fare rules Calchas?

The pdf document on the oneworld.com web site has exceptions (a) to (g); as do the fare rules listed in ExpertFlyer.

Calchas Sep 9, 2016 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27188714)
Where do you look up the fare rules Calchas?

The pdf document on the oneworld.com web site has exceptions (a) to (g); as do the fare rules listed in ExpertFlyer.

I searched for CAI-CAI BA AONE6 on ExpertFlyer. The first was ticketing today and the second was ticketing 01 NOV 2016. In both cases ticketing at LON.

Maybe they now vary those rules a little by origin city. But then why include the India/Sri Lanka exception?

pandaperth Sep 10, 2016 2:01 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27189027)
I searched for CAI-CAI BA AONE6 on ExpertFlyer. The first was ticketing today and the second was ticketing 01 NOV 2016. In both cases ticketing at LON.

Maybe they now vary those rules a little by origin city. But then why include the India/Sri Lanka exception?

Thanks for explaining Calchas

However, I tried reproducing your result - and couldn't:confused:
I would be very, very surprised if the fare rules differed based on origin city, or on any other criterion. I understand Oneworld is working on automating updates to the fare rules for all airlines in the alliance, which to me implies only one version for all.

Calchas Sep 12, 2016 3:24 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27191139)
Thanks for explaining Calchas

However, I tried reproducing your result - and couldn't:confused:
I would be very, very surprised if the fare rules differed based on origin city, or on any other criterion. I understand Oneworld is working on automating updates to the fare rules for all airlines in the alliance, which to me implies only one version for all.

I agree with you---I cannot reproduce this "glitch" either, including by ticketing on the date I posted my reply (09 Sept). :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am afraid I will have to leave this as an unexplained mystery.

zoombee Sep 12, 2016 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27159038)
Only ex-Australia. Not ex-NZ or ex- anywhere else.
<snip>
Qantas is abolishing the YQ on tickets issued from 1 September.
http://www.qantas.com/agents/dyn/qf/info/201609/0901


Wow. I mean, only meaningful if interested in a LONEx but assuming it's no YQ on any airline that's actually quite a price perk if you fly BA long haul 2+ times.

OWRTW Sep 14, 2016 9:49 pm

Does anyone know how you can book a DONE ex-CAI in Dollars. Unfortunately I am not flying any AA segments at any point so don't think I can use the RTW desk. Anyone had any luck with other airlines out of CAI? Will be flying QR, LATAM, QF, UL, JL, BA.
Preferably trying to avoid BA, I have heard they charge surcharges.
Is AA the only airline that can sell a ticket in dollars ex-CAI?

Thank you!

danger Sep 14, 2016 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by OWRTW (Post 27213925)
Does anyone know how you can book a DONE ex-CAI in Dollars. Unfortunately I am not flying any AA segments at any point so don't think I can use the RTW desk. Anyone had any luck with other airlines out of CAI? Will be flying QR, LATAM, QF, UL, JL, BA.
Preferably trying to avoid BA, I have heard they charge surcharges.
Is AA the only airline that can sell a ticket in dollars ex-CAI?

Thank you!

You could contact QF in Australia and pay in dollars. Cathay in Hong Kong should also allow you to pay in dollars.

If you want to pay in US dollars, try contacting AA. Theoretically any oneworld airline can price and sell a oneworld Explorer fare, even if you don't have any flights with that airline.

Alternatively you could try contacting a local travel agent in the US.

rens Sep 14, 2016 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by OWRTW (Post 27213925)
Does anyone know how you can book a DONE ex-CAI in Dollars. Unfortunately I am not flying any AA segments at any point so don't think I can use the RTW desk. Anyone had any luck with other airlines out of CAI? Will be flying QR, LATAM, QF, UL, JL, BA.
Preferably trying to avoid BA, I have heard they charge surcharges.
Is AA the only airline that can sell a ticket in dollars ex-CAI?
Thank you!

Please note that there is no need to book out of CAI. You can use any airline that is willing to book RTW tickets in any city. QF, and BA probably have most experience and are easier for English speakers.

Not sure why you want to book in dollars. Most credit cards will simply convert foreign charges to dollars. Many cards have no foreign transaction fees and usually offer competitive rates. What is it about your situation that is problematic?

mattjp Sep 14, 2016 11:23 pm

Booking in B class
 
The rules sheet says that: "Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available ... Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class (except AA) or H class on AA".

Am I correct that means that I should be able to book a QF flight that has no J class and shows as: Y9 B9 H9 K3 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0 X0 E0 ?

pandaperth Sep 15, 2016 1:56 am


Originally Posted by mattjp (Post 27214145)
The rules sheet says that: "Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available ... Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class (except AA) or H class on AA".

Am I correct that means that I should be able to book a QF flight that has no J class and shows as: Y9 B9 H9 K3 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0 X0 E0 ?

Yes

(I was once booked in B on a DONE4 - it was a domestic flight in Brazil on JJ; before I flew I noticed the booking class changed to L - presumably because then JJ would award me fewer AA miles:()

Himeno Sep 15, 2016 2:56 am


Originally Posted by mattjp (Post 27214145)
The rules sheet says that: "Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available ... Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class (except AA) or H class on AA".

There are a number of booking classes allowed to be used on a D or A xONEx depending on where the flight is or why D/A is not available.
eg, domestic Japan flights book into F/J/Y.
single class AA flights on First or Business RTWs book into Y.

Calchas Sep 15, 2016 3:10 am


Originally Posted by mattjp (Post 27214145)
The rules sheet says that: "Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available ... Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class (except AA) or H class on AA".

Am I correct that means that I should be able to book a QF flight that has no J class and shows as: Y9 B9 H9 K3 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0 X0 E0 ?

Yes.


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 27214519)
There are a number of booking classes allowed to be used on a D or A xONEx depending on where the flight is or why D/A is not available.
eg, domestic Japan flights book into F/J/Y.
single class AA flights on First or Business RTWs book into Y.

Indeed, it is worth inspecting the booking code exceptions table, which is what the computer uses to decide which fare class to book or whether the fare can be used on a particular flight. For instance QF prefers R (premium economy) when D is unavailable, which is not noted in the fare rules, AFAIK.

Code:

>$LB5                                                         
005 LONLON 15SEP16 QF GBP 7900.00 DONE6    STAY---/12MBK-D   
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
DONE6    BUSINESS CLASS AROUND THE WORLD FARES    D         
DONE6    APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES                       
                                                             
 BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS                                     
  VIA QF  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES


anabolism Sep 17, 2016 6:40 am


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27214026)
Not sure why you want to book in dollars. Most credit cards will simply convert foreign charges to dollars. Many cards have no foreign transaction fees and usually offer competitive rates.

Just to add to this, most credit cards that do charge foreign transaction fees switched some years back from foreign currency fees; the distinction is that the fee applies even if the transaction is in US dollars if the transaction is considered to have occurred outside the U.S.


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