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nologic Mar 9, 2016 5:01 pm

Ex-Canada AONE Fares?
 
It seems that ex-Canada AONE3 fares are about $10K in USD vs $14K USD for originating in the US (BOS).

What issues, constraints etc are there with originating in YUL or YYZ and then connecting w JL in ORD to NRT?

I could also fly from YUL to NY or BOS and then to NRT or HKG on JL or CX?

Can I ticket an itinerary online or w AA RTW that originates in Canada? Can I Ticket it now ex_YUL and then fly to Canada in 4 months and originate there?

Gardyloo Mar 9, 2016 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by nologic (Post 26309856)
It seems that ex-Canada AONE3 fares are about $10K in USD vs $14K USD for originating in the US (BOS).

What issues, constraints etc are there with originating in YUL or YYZ and then connecting w JL in ORD to NRT?

I could also fly from YUL to NY or BOS and then to NRT or HKG on JL or CX?

Can I ticket an itinerary online or w AA RTW that originates in Canada? Can I Ticket it now ex_YUL and then fly to Canada in 4 months and originate there?

You shouldn't have difficulties originating in Canada and connecting through the USA to Asia. You're only allowed two stopovers in the continent of origin so bear that in mind when contemplating an itinerary. Note that CX flies nonstop from YYZ to HKG, although I don't know if they have first class on that route. They do from YVR to HKG.

Try using the online tool at https://rtw.oneworld.com/rtw/ which hopefully will get you to the payment screens so you can finalize ticketing online. Note this tool is horribly buggy so don't get your hopes up.

If that doesn't work, come back here for troubleshooting and help with work-arounds.

Full Score Mar 9, 2016 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 26300582)
If pointing out that you can find out what you want for $10 (*) by re-subscribing to expert flyer doesn't help, then you're basically asking someone with an expert flyer subscription to take time to look it up for you so you don't have to pay / take the time to do so. Not many, or any, will know current pricing by heart with confidence for your precise cities of interest.

I'd probably have done it if my subscription was active. You might consider asking more politely if you want others to be so willing.

*: given your response I assume you have subscribed before and there can't sign up for a free trial.

I reacted in similar fashion. If he wants help, at least ask in a polite manner. I DO have an active EF subscription, but don't feel inclined to waste my time for someone with this attitude.

Mwenenzi Mar 11, 2016 11:43 pm

From http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...l#post26321208

Originally Posted by Compliance Brain (Post 26321208)
It is happening where one seeks to start from NRT. My JPY 713,000 DONE3 was accepted by the oneworld site and then when American Airlines looked at the ticket request to issue it they determine for my credit card I am not resident in Japan and so they are "pricing department" repriced the ticket for the Hong Kong resident that I am, HKD 79,000, about 40% more:mad:. See my post "RTW trick from NRT over". I am presently looking for a Japan travel agent who will work with me on future ticket purchases.

This is the 3rd(?) place that this AA policy has been noted :td: :(

wandering_fred Mar 12, 2016 1:01 am

Maybe it is time to start to question VISA/MC/AMEX about their policies regarding the acceptance of credit cards worldwide - independently of the home location of the card holder.

Second alternative has been mentioned a number of times - where an alternative billing address is able to be added. Perhaps c/o AMEX Johannesburg would be acceptable to both the holder and AMEX - though perhaps not to AA.

Final question - what would AA do if they were told VISA/MC/AMEX would no longer work with them unless they accepted cards no matter where the billing address was located.

Happy wandering

Fred

Himeno Mar 12, 2016 3:20 am

There is nothing in the fare rules, or the credit card policies (as far as I am aware), that would permit AA to do this.

If I show up at the AA ticket counter in NRT with my AU issued card, will they charge me the AU price?

Calchas Mar 12, 2016 4:16 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 26321346)
Maybe it is time to start to question VISA/MC/AMEX about their policies regarding the acceptance of credit cards worldwide - independently of the home location of the card holder.

Second alternative has been mentioned a number of times - where an alternative billing address is able to be added. Perhaps c/o AMEX Johannesburg would be acceptable to both the holder and AMEX - though perhaps not to AA.

Final question - what would AA do if they were told VISA/MC/AMEX would no longer work with them unless they accepted cards no matter where the billing address was located.

Happy wandering

Fred

You can complain to Amex at least, they do not like to hear a member merchant has declined their card for no good reason.

I suspect the other payment networks have a similar view.

It is worth noting that actually AA is very clear in the agreement it makes with travel agents, "The agent must accept all credit cards that AA accepts" [or words to that effect], so really Mindpearl is probably in breach of their agreement with AA and in breach of their agreement with the payment networks in declining foreign cards.

Calchas Mar 12, 2016 4:24 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 26321551)
There is nothing in the fare rules, or the credit card policies (as far as I am aware), that would permit AA to do this.

If I show up at the AA ticket counter in NRT with my AU issued card, will they charge me the AU price?

Yes, if you asked to buy an itinerary originating in Australia. If you asked to buy an itinerary originating in Japan, then you would be charged the local price.

The place of registration of your credit card doesn't come into it. Credit cards are not the only way to buy an airplane ticket.

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          WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
          THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
          THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
          WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
          CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
          AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
          THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
          THE COUNTRY OF SALE.
          EXCEPTION-
          NOT APPLICABLE WHEN BOTH TRAVEL ORIGINATES AND
          SALES ARE MADE WITHIN EUROPE.


creampuff Mar 12, 2016 10:08 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 26297042)
For the time being, in USD terms South Africa and Namibia still have the cheapest premium cabin prices - DONEx and AONEx.

After blowing off $100k on a 7 month long DONE6 RTW trip last year, I can't afford $100 for an EF subscription ;) How do the Namibia DONEx prices compare with South Africa DONEx prices?

Gardyloo Mar 12, 2016 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 26322621)
After blowing off $100k on a 7 month long DONE6 RTW trip last year, I can't afford $100 for an EF subscription ;) How do the Namibia DONEx prices compare with South Africa DONEx prices?

It varies with the daily exchange, but right now a DONE4 ex-WDH is a little under US$200 more than ex-JNB/CPT.

Mozambique is actually several hundred dollars cheaper than JNB (hence wins the prize) but since QR is the only Oneworld airline serving MPM, and we know how impossible it is to get Qatar to issue xONExs, it's probably academic. I guess that's another grail quest in the offing.

Calchas Mar 12, 2016 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 26323864)
It varies with the daily exchange, but right now a DONE4 ex-WDH is a little under US$200 more than ex-JNB/CPT.

Mozambique is actually several hundred dollars cheaper than JNB (hence wins the prize) but since QR is the only Oneworld airline serving MPM, and we know how impossible it is to get Qatar to issue xONExs, it's probably academic. I guess that's another grail quest in the offing.

You don't need QR to issue it, any oneworld carrier can issue any oneworld ticket product.

stex Mar 12, 2016 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 26323997)
You don't need QR to issue it, any oneworld carrier can issue any oneworld ticket product.

Calchas, I wonder if you have been successful at booking and ticketing a xONEx in this manner, where the carrier that issued the ticket was not the first carrier in the itinerary? My attempts to do so with CX, AA, and BA were all unsuccessful. I realize that they probably could do it, but those carriers did not want to do it when I tried... So it seems, they really try to avoid doing that if indeed they are not the first carrier.

Himeno Mar 12, 2016 7:10 pm

There is nothing in the fare rules that requires first carrier ticketing. The online tool does so only because of a techical limitation.
If a carrier tries to claim otherwise, start quoting fare rules.

Gardyloo Mar 12, 2016 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by stex (Post 26324136)
Calchas, I wonder if you have been successful at booking and ticketing a xONEx in this manner, where the carrier that issued the ticket was not the first carrier in the itinerary? My attempts to do so with CX, AA, and BA were all unsuccessful. I realize that they probably could do it, but those carriers did not want to do it when I tried... So it seems, they really try to avoid doing that if indeed they are not the first carrier.


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 26324471)
There is nothing in the fare rules that requires first carrier ticketing. The online tool does so only because of a techical limitation.
If a carrier tries to claim otherwise, start quoting fare rules.

But you'd have to have someone in Mozambique actually sell the ticket. Maybe there's a TA there that could do so or maybe the QR people in Maputo would be able to do it, but it seems like a recipe for struggle.

Dr. HFH Mar 12, 2016 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by stex (Post 26324136)
Calchas, I wonder if you have been successful at booking and ticketing a xONEx in this manner, where the carrier that issued the ticket was not the first carrier in the itinerary? My attempts to do so with CX, AA, and BA were all unsuccessful. I realize that they probably could do it, but those carriers did not want to do it when I tried... So it seems, they really try to avoid doing that if indeed they are not the first carrier.

Interesting, I've never had a problem doing it. My xONEx itineraries have all started in JNB or, in the old days, MRU. First flights have always been BA to LHR except for the one this past December, when first flight was CX to HKG, and one or two ex-MRU itineraries, when the first flight was BA to JNB. Didn't use online tool. I usually call the AA RTW desk to book and fare. Never a problem, never even a question. Ex-MRU, I used BA MRU office because they misunderstood a part of the rules which gave me much more flexibility.


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