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Calchas Jan 14, 2016 4:31 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 26015886)
Originally there was only QF between SYD/MEL and LHR, but now of course there is also QF between SYD/MEL and DXB, and QR flies to Australia too from AUH.

And yes, it still applies.

BA 15/16 has been around for years and years (and QR flies from DOH, not AUH ;) )

pandaperth Jan 14, 2016 8:39 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 26015393)
Hi All,

Have OneWorld closed the Australia - Europe stopover issue?

Previously if one flew Australia - (Asia) - Europe that was considered a stop over even though the stop in Asia/Middle East was considered transit to say it is two continents as opposed to three?

The actual wording of the rule is

Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface eg LON-SYD/MELvv, DXB-SYD/MELvv, DOH-PER/MELvv, is considered travelling via Asia. Continents South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East must each be counted.
So flying BA's LHR-SYD flight (which stops in SIN on the way) or flying any of the non-stop Middle East-Australia flights means Asia is included.

IMHO this is a rip-off (except for the BA flight which does actually 'touch' Asia - and there has been a long-standing paradigm of "if you touch it you pay for it" for example when JL flew NRT-GRU via JFK). It's especially a rip-off of you were taking a surface segment between Europe/Middle East and SQP - fly NO flights but pay for an extra continent!

Things might change when JJ starts its GRU-JNB flights sometime this year. That will make possible all-southern hemisphere itineraries, for example GRU-JNB-SYD-SCL-GRU. This might result in 3-continent fares being made available for itineraries originating in the southern hemisphere and that in turn might result in a re-think of this rule.
However I won't be holding my breath.

Himeno Jan 15, 2016 3:02 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 26017449)
Things might change when JJ starts its GRU-JNB flights sometime this year. That will make possible all-southern hemisphere itineraries, for example GRU-JNB-SYD-SCL-GRU. This might result in 3-continent fares being made available for itineraries originating in the southern hemisphere and that in turn might result in a re-think of this rule.
However I won't be holding my breath.

That is what was expected to happen when MH joined with their JNB-EZE flight. Only for MH to can their route to South Africa and South America shortly before the oneworld join date.

Kiwi Flyer Jan 15, 2016 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 26016408)
BA still flies LHR-SIN-SYD. I don't see them changing the AU-EU counts as transiting Asia rule while BA keeps that flight. Even if BA did drop the flight, I don't see QF or QR agreeing to change the rule. They'd earn more per sector from a xONE4 then an xONE3.


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 26016443)
BA 15/16 has been around for years and years (and QR flies from DOH, not AUH ;) )

Yes of course. I've even flown BA between SYD & LHR a few times.

Thanks for correcting QR hub, which I've also flown. :o Hope my memory isn't going! :eek:

brahms77 Jan 26, 2016 1:26 pm

I am not sure if this has been answered before... but when I hold DONEx ticket and one of the flight is sold-out in "D" class with "E (Premium Economy)" available? For example, I am looking at NRT-DEL and on most of Sundays, which I need to fly is sold out in D so I cannot book that flight unless I downgrade myself to lower class. The next class of service is premium economy. Would they allow me to travel in PY on a DONx ticket or will they make me fly in Y?

Kiwi Flyer Jan 26, 2016 2:24 pm

Per xONEx rules


NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in
the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
If premium economy is not listed as a lower class then it will book into economy.

For JL premium economy booking class E is listed, so if available it will book into that.

Gardyloo Jan 26, 2016 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 26085396)
Since premium economy is not listed as a lower class then it will book into economy.

However, both Y and B classes are "full fare" categories and in some airlines booking into these buckets makes upgrades very easy, if not complementary. I would certainly think that at an airline's discretion you could be put into a PE seat if one's available. I've had gate agents and counter people waive formalities when confronted with a DONEx ticket - even bumped to first class when J was overbooked - so I wouldn't put your chances at zero, far from it. They're not robots after all.

Calchas Jan 26, 2016 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by brahms77 (Post 26085019)
I am not sure if this has been answered before... but when I hold DONEx ticket and one of the flight is sold-out in "D" class with "E (Premium Economy)" available? For example, I am looking at NRT-DEL and on most of Sundays, which I need to fly is sold out in D so I cannot book that flight unless I downgrade myself to lower class. The next class of service is premium economy. Would they allow me to travel in PY on a DONx ticket or will they make me fly in Y?

Yes, on JL, "E" class will be preferred over "L", if "D" is unavailable.
Code:

>$LB3                                                         
003 LBALBA 27JAN16 BA GBP 6200.00 DONE4    STAY---/12MBK-D   
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
DONE4    BUSINESS CLASS AROUND THE WORLD FARES    D         
DONE4    APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES                       
                                                             
 BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS                                     
  VIA BA  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  T    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA BA  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA BA  T    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA BA  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA QF  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA QF  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA QF  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA QF  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA CX  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA CX  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA CX  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA CX  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA JL  J    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
                              WITHIN JAPAN                   
  VIA JL  Y    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS  WITHIN JAPAN     
  VIA JL  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA JL  E    PERMITTED    D- FARES                       
  VIA JL  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA JL  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA JL  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA JL  E    PERMITTED    ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA JL  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS

(The computer reads the table from top to bottom and stops as soon as it finds a rule that applies. If no rule is found, it will take the default option specified at the top instead.)

brahms77 Jan 26, 2016 7:13 pm

Thanks! This is great information!


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 26086472)
Yes, on JL, "E" class will be preferred over "L", if "D" is unavailable.
Code:

>$LB3                                                         
003 LBALBA 27JAN16 BA GBP 6200.00 DONE4    STAY---/12MBK-D   
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
DONE4    BUSINESS CLASS AROUND THE WORLD FARES    D         
DONE4    APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES                       
                                                             
 BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS                                     
  VIA BA  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  T    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA BA  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA BA  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA BA  T    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA BA  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA QF  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA QF  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA QF  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA QF  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA QF  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA CX  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA CX  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA CX  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA CX  R    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA CX  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA JL  J    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
                              WITHIN JAPAN                   
  VIA JL  Y    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS  WITHIN JAPAN     
  VIA JL  D    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA JL  E    PERMITTED    D- FARES                       
  VIA JL  L    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  D- FARES       
  VIA JL  B    REQUIRED      D- FARES                       
  VIA JL  I    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL BUSINESS   
  VIA JL  E    PERMITTED    ALL BUSINESS                   
  VIA JL  L    REQUIRED      ALL BUSINESS

(The computer reads the table from top to bottom and stops as soon as it finds a rule that applies. If no rule is found, it will take the default option specified at the top instead.)


toplayer Jan 28, 2016 2:36 am

Have a quick question about baggage allowance on a DONE :

HKG-xFRA(CX)-xLHR-NCL(BA) / NCL-LHR (BA) / LHR-GIB (BA) // LHR-ORD (AA) / ORD-xBOS-HKG (CX)

I am only concerned about the first leg. CX J limit is 30kg.

Wiki says 2 pieces, with weight limits per piece with different airlines.

Which applies? If its the piece rule, what is the limit per piece? Would the dominant carrier rule apply and if so, how?

Thanks in advance.

djmp Jan 28, 2016 11:26 pm

Ballpark fares on DONE3 ex US West Coast
 
Hi,

I'm seeing about $11-12K for DONE3 fares ex SFO based on the oneworld booking tool (for 6 sectors). Is this typically what people are paying or are better deals available through specialized travel agents? Feel free to PM me if you are the latter.

Thanks!

Mwenenzi Jan 29, 2016 12:06 am


Originally Posted by djmp (Post 26098979)
I'm seeing about $11-12K for DONE3 fares ex SFO based on the oneworld booking tool (for 6 sectors). Is this typically what people are paying or are better deals available through specialized travel agents? Feel free to PM me if you are the latter.

Cost, with taxes & carrier surcharges, depends a lot on the route & carriers. Do you have a LHR or other UK departure ($$ APD).
With only 6 segments you may do better point to point.
You can do 16 segments for same base DONE3 fare

djmp Jan 29, 2016 8:03 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 26099089)
Cost, with taxes & carrier surcharges, depends a lot on the route & carriers. Do you have a LHR or other UK departure ($$ APD).
With only 6 segments you may do better point to point.
You can do 16 segments for same base DONE3 fare

Yes, I did have LHR in the routing. It's perhaps optional, I'll take a look at dropping it or hitting DUB instead. Thanks.

Calchas Jan 29, 2016 8:05 am


Originally Posted by djmp (Post 26100315)
Yes, I did have LHR in the routing. It's perhaps optional, I'll take a look at dropping it or hitting DUB instead. Thanks.

APD is only 140 GBP and doesn't always apply

More likely the BA YQ+YR is at fault

Gardyloo Jan 29, 2016 8:07 am


Originally Posted by djmp (Post 26098979)
Hi,

I'm seeing about $11-12K for DONE3 fares ex SFO based on the oneworld booking tool (for 6 sectors). Is this typically what people are paying or are better deals available through specialized travel agents? Feel free to PM me if you are the latter.

Thanks!

Prices of the various Oneworld products vary greatly depending on the country of origin. Base price for a DONE3 issued in the USA is currently around $10,200 plus taxes/fees.

Substitute Vancouver for the origin point (you'd have to pay to get from SFO to YVR) and see what you get.


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