If you can stick it out, you'll find that you can save thousands of dollars per ticket, depending on how and where you travel. You'll also find those who know about these fares happy to assist. And, trust me, you will need assistance with your first one, at least, as you've already discovered.

scubadu -feel fee to post your suggested itinerary and we "experts" will chime in with suggestions and assistance. As Dr HFH said, we all needed assistance the first time around

Even you do a simple mileage run, one still need to maximize.

Example.
On this fare.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mile...25-cpm-53.html

i rebooked my ticket twice and ended up flying the following.

TPE - NRT (stop) - LAX - BZE (stop) - DFW - RSW (stop) [June 2016]
RSW - DFW - LAX [Feb 17] 2 days in LAX
LAX - JFK [ Feb 17] <-President's day weekend
JFK - NRT [march 17]
HND - ITM [June 17]
KIX - TPE ( didnt fly this sector)

In some way, xONEx is way easier since there are so much research has been done on it already.

I want two separate flights because I have a meeting in Charlotte before flying onto SDF so I need a 9-10 hour layover to allow for travel and meeting.

I did try and move the first flight to AA rather than BA (first flight of ticket is LHR-YYZ) but it still came up with same results.

I wouldn't let people like myself put you off. once you learn how to use the tool it's actually pretty good.

All you are seeing on this forum is the complete novice newbies or someone like me with a more complex itinerary and this forum is a great resource.

This ticket has saved me alot of money.

Sure, -- sorry for the delay in replying. It happened to me twice, both transcons. One LAX-BOS and one LAX-JFK. Although D (to BOS) and A (to JFK) showed available on EF, and the agent was also able to see that they were available, he was still unable to book them. In both cases, he circumvented the problem by booking them as QF codeshares.

Does this mean that any checking on EF must have SEZ set as POS? How does one get a QF codeshare in the USA unless you are arriving into LAX on QF?
ETA: AA will be using 321T planes on 2 dailys LAX-BOS 2-Apr-2019 so A class (maybe) for those with AONEx RTW's.

Aaaaaaaaaaand here's where we start the complications! The answer is that it depends on what you're checking for. More importantly, however, there's no longer any point in buying at SEZ. The ex-SEZ fare was an anomaly which no longer exists.

If your travel agent is a SABRE agent, SABRE will give it to him/her if s/he requests it and it's available. I expect that it has to be done by direct sell, not by selling off an availability display. Your agent will understand that last sentence.

So, you plan to fly LHR-YYZ on 2/13, spend the night there, fly to CLT on 2/14, spend the day, and then continue on to SDF?

In my case I was trying to use up a lot of segments without stop. AA, CX and QF all seemed to have problems with this. Even if I put in 24 hour stopovers to break it up Sabre was returning D0 when EF was showing availability. For the domestic legs on AA you can drop one segment to L and the other legs would open up. I ended up rerouting the Asia legs and avoided QF altogether to get it to work.

The general question is when to believe L/D/A availability via EF. For those who have an ex-SEZ ticket in hand and plan to revise it after the 1st flown segment, what is the POS, SEZ or where the ticket is reissued? skunker stated that there was D available, yet had to enter the entire itinerary to reissue which caused D class to show 0.

I'm confused. You were trying to book a RTW that had both LAX-BOS and LAX-JFK in it?

The point of sale is usually based on the agency booking your ticket, not the starting point. So, if booking an ex-JNB RTW by phoning the AA RTW desk, the point of sale is the US even though the ticket starts in JNB. If you booked an ex-SEZ RTW using an agent, then the point of sale is wherever that agen or the agent's agency is based.

It's not supposed to be possible to book a QF codeshare unless connecting to or from a QF flight (e.g., a QF flight arriving into JFK, DFW, LAX, or SFO within 24 hour of the desired codeshare). However, some agents will book and ticket codeshares that don't meet this.

Two different ones; and now that chatting with you has occasioned me to look, there are actually three in my current itineraries. I had a LAX-BOS segment on the DONE4 I'm in the middle of right now. I have a LAX-JFK segment on the AONE5 I'm starting in mid-February; and I have a LAX-JFK segment on the AONE4 I'm starting in April.

Actually, I've done multiple transcons twice before. Once was a LAX-RDU-LAX same day turn when AA first started the service before RDU was added to the list of east coast cities in the rules, and later the same thing with LAX-MBJ-LAX, another same day turn.

So, if I may ask, what were the specific sets of flights where EF showed D available yet an agent saw D0 when trying to book into an RTW?

Because EF pulls from the presumably same GDS data as an agent booking an RTW, I'm trying to understand where people have experienced the discrepancy. We've all seen many cases of married segment logic where D is not available on a set of flights booked as a connection, or where D is available from one point of sale but not for another, but reportedly neither is the case here.

Here is one situation that I encountered.

I tried to add SCL IPC to my DONEx via CX HKG. no D space (via HKG POS EF)..
however there is D space when US POS is set on EF. I called CX north America and able to get the space.

(I asked the CX North America and they told me the use the availability from North America in their North American system).

I believe [MENTION=794258]Leaping_Deere[/MENTION] was talking about nesting another ticket within the RTW and wanted to keep everything in one PNR. If the other ticket is on AA flights, BA would not be able to issue it on its plate in a BA-created PNR unless one is using the oneworld Visit North America fare.

I'm referring to the idea (perhaps I read it wrong) that you wanted to add extra segments that will be on a separate ticket, but you wanted everything in one PNR. If those extra flights are AA flights, BA might not be able to price them or will have to price them on a much higher fare. Of course, it all depends on the fare you want.

Here are the details, slightly different from what I said, but same principle. That will teach me to try to do things from memory!!

1. 20 February 2019, AA 274 LAX-JFK 1200-2025 STILL shows A6. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as QF 3101.

2. 9 April 2019, AA 256 LAX-ORD 0920-1507 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4372.

3. 9 April 2019, AA 2364 ORD-LAX 1710-1931 NOW shows D1, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4349.

4. 10 April 2019, AA 167 LAX-BOS 0830-1716 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 2500.

In each of these four cases, did you check EF using the same point-of-sale as the agent booking your RTW? In each of the four cases, was there 24 hours or more before and after the flight in question?

I'm just trying to understand what are the reported instances where EF's data is different from that of the agent booking the RTW. Different points of sale (as with pbd456's case) are already something we know about here. Married-segment logic is also well-known here.

Until you asked this question and I looked, I hadn't realized that one could specify point of sale in the EF availability display. So the answer is no; it was at the default, which is U.S. Agent was in Australia. Just checked again, changed it to Australia, and AA 274 LAX-JFK on 20 February 2019 still shows A6.

Thanks for all the kind replies (from everyone), will definitely keep it in mind if we get to the point of trying to schedule one of these!

Regards

BA can and do issue fully AA itineraries on 125 stock. (I have plenty of personal experience.)

It’s in line with the policy on the usage of 125 stock, which, separately from tickets containing BA flights, also allows it to be used on itineraries containing only AA, AY, EI, IB, JL, and/or VY flights.

Most (but not all) AA fares can be issued by BA. The "instant upgrade" domestic fares usually must be issued on 001 AA stock.

However, many BA staff do not know this or do not want to do it.

Yes, for this itinerary it is possible to issue on BA plate. I should have said "might not be able" (which is what I first said) instead of "would not be able" (my subsequent post).

Yet when your agent tries to book it into an RTW, it shows A0? And this is with 24 hours or more before and after this one flight?

Well, first, yes, in each case it was a couple of months before the flights. I don't know if it showed A0 or if, when he tried to sell it off the availability display, it came back as unable. I suspect the latter, since, as mentioned above, one of the flights still shows A6 even after I set the POS to Australia.

Sorry, the 24-hours or more question was just to rule out married-segment logic as the cause of the problem, so I was asking if the flight in question was isolated by 24 hours or more on each end, or if it could possibly have been connected to a flight at either or both ends.

I was just trying to get more information about the underlying cause of the problem. Enforcement of RTW fare rules happens when pricing, not when adding a segment, at least when booked by an agent, so I don't think it's a fare rules issue.

That was the case, however my plan has rejigged so I should (in theory) have enough segments.

Answer as above

Yes I want to fly to to YYZ on the 10/2 then on the 12/2 fly down to CLT in the morning, have my meeting and then fly onto SDF on the same day.

I'm waiting on a TA to price the itinerary but on the OW rtw website I can not for the life of me get the flights to come up on the flight search.

the website wont send me direct from YYZ to CLT only brings up flights via MIA and from CLT-SDF it only brings up direct morning flights.

LAX-ORD and ORD-LAX: Obviously a turn, only two hours between flights. First arrival into LAX is BA from LHR at 1920; departure to ORD is at 0920 the next morning. Arrive back from ORD at 1931; depart the next morning at 0830 for BOS.

LAX-BOS: It's MAD-LAX-BOS. MAD-LAX arrived at 1605, and LAX-BOS departed at 1350 the next day. Stayed eight days in BOS, so no married segment on that end.

LAX-JFK: Arrive LAX BA from LHR at 1355 on a Monday, and depart to JFK at 1230 two days later on Wednesday. On the other end, arrive JFK at 2103 and depart on CX to HKG 3:52 later at 0055+1.

Hope this info helps!

Thanks for the details. My apologies, but at this point there's been so much cross-discussion of a potential inability to book flights, with some confirmed cases of it being known point of sale issues and other instances with it appearing to perhaps be married segments that I'm totally lost as to who has experienced an otherwise unexplained issue and who has merely run into known issues, so seeing your isolated flights isn't helping me figure anything out any more. As I said, I am sorry. I am sorry for trying to figure this out, and will simply forget about it (unless I run into it). If anyone confirms there is a bug in EF, or a different issue that can be a problem, I think it would be helpful for us in the RTW forums to know about it.

No apology necessary, happy to help to a greater understanding of how this all works. Before this trip, I never had a problem where a codeshare was necessary. For reference, before the current group of three tickets, I always booked through the AA RTW desk or Mindpearl, -- don't know if that is related or helps your analysis, but there it is. My gut feeling is that the married segment issue is not what's going on here, but that's only my gut feeling based on my experience, of course, but not based on any hard evidence.

Right.. this is the gift that keeps on giving, tried to make the reservation and got this.

"Sorry, we've noticed that an error has occurred. The fastest way to complete your booking is by contacting British Airways.

An error has occurred due to waitlist on the below flight(s). By changing the following flight(s), your booking may succeed."


Only way is to call BA?

You were trying to book by using the online tool, yes? It's completely unreliable. Apart from errors which shouldn't occur but which prevent you from making the booking, it also doesn't have the rules programmed in correctly; so itineraries which are valid by the rules aren't permitted in the online tool. You'll be much better off making your booking by phone. I usually use the AA RTW Desk in the U.S. +1-800-247-3247. They know their stuff and will try to help you, too.

Thanks, I've book two tickets on the online portal before, so I guess I was lucky those times! :)

May effect some people:--->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...xb-routes.html
But flights with first class (A) have been decreasing

the BA A class removal is a big deal for people with AONEx tickets as it is one of the intra European route in A class....

It seems to be mostly a technical experiment to prepare the way for using a single bucket to represent multiple cabins.

We may see BA allow the use of the F bucket for AONEx fares, as that seems to be the plan for BA's own A- products.
(My emphasis.)
https://www.britishairways.com/asset...aul-bosdxb.pdf

I'm unclear how BA benefits from eliminating A inventory. I understand that BA can easily say that Axxx fares now book into F, and that maintains the price discrimination and RM's ability to set the Axxx availability as they wish, but I don't see how this benefits BA (it keeps things as they are). Allowing AONEx fares to book into F would be nice for us, but means that if there's an F seat for sale, it can be booked with a (potentially cheap) AONEx fare, whereas as it is they can set A lower than F.

OTOH.... On DXB, why would someone not use QR, with an infinitely better product, both hard and soft. I even greatly prefer the QR J product (both 359 and QSuite) to BA F.

And on BOS, I always fly LHR/LAX between LHR and the U.S. to get the increased mileage earning on a single segment.

YQ