It is autopriceable on Sabre when I make the later part of the itinerary substantially simpler.

AA would call this ticket illegal (against AA rule) and they wont do anything in case of irregular operation (because the rule is that cannot to go mainland twice from Hawaii.

(LHR HNL is really LHR LAX HNL and LHR HNL DFW is LHR LAX HNL DFW) which violate the rule. but i suspect no airline except AA would take this position.

<rant on AA direct flights with midway gauge changes>You're right to bring it up, but it is AA that offers a direct flight from London to Honolulu (via LAX). If they don't like it, they should split the flight in two. :) </rant>

Would AA really leave you stranded in the case of IRROPS? I would be surprised if the average AA airport staffer trying to get a plane full of passengers rebooked would notice that and know the AA interpretation of the xONEx backtracking rules.

well. at least, depending on how complicated the re-routing will be. some may need to contact the RTW desk.
also, AA probably wont apply a SWU for D to A class

My experience is that once the ticket is issued, all One World carriers will honor it even if it does not comply with the fare rules (or the operating carrier's interpretation of the rules). Any other outcome would require each operating carrier to revalidate the ticket against the fare rules; and I just don't see that as a realistic possibility.

Of course what goes on between issuing and operating carriers behind the scenes and after the fact is anyone's guess.

I called AA RTW desk to check on the HKG-LHR-DOH-JNB-DOH routing and the agent said it is not allowed due to "backtracking through the point of origin". She was fine with HKG-DOH-JNB-DOH though..

Origin is amm. They are wrong and but they can do anything they want.
there is a rule that you cant backtrack to the country of origin.
probably their logic is that since you can end the RTW anywhere in the middle east. they define the DOH as the same country as AMM.

you can try to argue with them or you may try to find a different route.

if she is fine with hkg doh cpt doh. then it is just anything. the ticket is owned by AA and i doubt any other airline would be happy to take over it. so. u have no choice but to follow AA instruction.

try hkg lhr cpt doh or something,

Okay, can anyone point out disadvantages of originating a DONE4 in Asia (such as ex-NRT) and having the first leg be Asia-US? I originally planned on ex-JNB/CPT, but those went up in price. I understand that I can only have 2 stopovers in the continent of origin, but am I missing anything else?

you miss a lot of mileage because you cant transit in country of origin again, and japan is the furthest west of asia. and you cant go back to japan and bump around asia.

if you want to maximize miles, you can do NRT CMB HKG USA in the beginning. and end in asia CMB NRT. in this way, you get 4 intra asia sectors and 13k intra asia mileage or 20k eqm.

Did you mean east?

Couldn't I also do NRT-USA leg first and then finish up with something like HKG-KUL-PEK-CMB-NRT, which is ~12k intra-Asia miles?

yes. but you get the idea which is what counts.

but i did my first DONE3 starting with KIX LAX (when they had a double flyon point for the route and I was working on JAL status).

Is there a list of routes somewhere which have multiple segments, but a single flight number, such as SYD-SIN-LHR on BA 16?

So, I've decided to change my routing to this (paused at DFW currently):

AMM-xDOH-xORD-AUS-JFK-LAX-xDFW-PDX-DFW-ICN-KUL-NRT-CMB-PVG-DOH-CPT-DOH

On the phone with AA RTW desk yesterday they told me that having a stopover in DOH (bolded above) is not allowed and that I can only transit through there. I've looked over the fare rules and I can't see what rule it might be violating. I haven't had any stopovers in the continent of origin yet, since the first DOH was a transit without stopover. Any ideas? Having a stopover there would really help out.

The only reason I can see would be an interpretation of:
that the entry to the Middle East "for travel to Africa" means that it must be a transit, otherwise it would also be for travel to DOH.

Hi, I've been lurking on the forums for a bit, but here's my first post. I've been thinking about going on a RTW trip instead of my honeymoon, and I'm okay with starting at any point in the itinerary I've put together. We like to travel to countries more off the beaten path and are thinking about exploring multiple cities, or even countries, each stop before returning to the city we flew into and will be flying out of. Would the following fall under the LONE6 category? If so, is there a way to estimate the cost?

TIA.

MEX, LIM, RIO, ACC, WDH, KGL, MLN, PAR, JMK, ASB, FRU, UUD, GOI, MLE, SYD, POM, MEX

Have you checked that there are actually OneWorld flights on all of these city pairs? I'm happy to be corrected ... but some of them seem highly unlikely.

I'm not 100% sure... I actually put this together on rtw.oneworld.com/rtw using their tool. But, the tool was very laggy on my computer and this is as far as I got. I figured I'd tried to find out a price range before I kept going.

Almost none of these city pairs have oneworld flights between them. A few of them (e.g., POM-MEX) are probably not even one-stops on any airline.

I applaud your zeal for travel, but I think it simply won't be possible on a single ticket, oneworld or otherwise. To set this up would be a fun challenge, but involve several tickets and probably a lot of money.

Did you try using the oneworld tool to look at some dummy flights on dummy dates? It will give you an idea of what is possible.

Welcome to FlyerTalk!

Keep in mind that e-tickets are limited to 16 flights. You might need to visit some of these places on your first trip, and others on a subsequent trip. Or, you could have the RTW take you to one or sometimes two cities on a continent, and book side trips on separate tickets to visit other places. For example, instead of trying to book multiple places in Africa and South America on the RTW, pick one each, and use separate side tickets to go to the others and then return to the first place to pick up the RTW again.

oneworld is quite weak in Africa, and they dont have many intra-africa routes.

Thanks for all the advice, guys!

The itinerary is technically 16 flights, and I was planning on using other flights to explore more of each content. I'd figured that using their tool would guarantee that the flights were actually possible and since I'd thought it was a flat rate anyway, I thought I'd go all out on my first try. I also assumed that I'd be able to somehow find at least connecting flights to/from each pair...Does the 16 flights mean that flights with one layover count as 2 flights, and 2 layovers count as 3, etc?

So I'm guessing I should focus on keeping the itinerary to larger airports then. Honestly, not too interested in Europe/North America/China, so that takes away a lot of the bigger airports, but I'll give it another shot and see how it goes. Thanks all.

No where near 16 flights. As above you need OW airlines that fly the routes
Great Circle Mapper

Look here--->https://www.oneworld.com/flights/where-we-fly
But even that may show affiliates (not 100% sure). You need full OW airlines

Look the wikipedia entry for airports. Is a starting point but may not be up to date
Example:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velana...tional_Airport

It's not 16 flights. Flights means just that - flights. anytime you step foot on a plane. So your RTW needs to be completed in 16 FLIGHTS. Not 16 "destinations you want to spend time at", for better or worse.

Ah! I see. That makes a lot more sense now. I understand why this didn't work. Back to the drawing board now... Thank you all!

You are permitted 16 segments, which means 16 times you can travel from one airport to another, either by flight or by surface. Each flight code uses a segment. So, if you fly QF2 LHR-SYD, it is one segment although it's a direct flight in two parts, LHR-SIN and SIN-SYD. However, if you want to go from ANC to CUR and fly AA148 ANC-DFW, AA2386 DFW-MIA, AA2739MIA-CUR that uses three segments.

What I do when planning an RTW is pick the places I want to stop, and use ExpertFlyer to see the available flights between them. I like EF because it shows if the flight has the right inventory (e.g., A, D, L), what type of plane, seating, timing, etc. It can search a week at a time, which is handy because some flights only operate certain days.

And just to be crystal clear, if you travel by train from London to Paris, spend a few days in Paris, then travel by train from Paris to Nice, spend a few days in Nice, then travel by train to Madrid, where you get on a plane and fly to Doha, the entire ground journey, London-Paris-Nice-Madrid, counts as ONE flight segment in your ticket, even though you are really visiting and stopping at two cities along the way.

Any reason why the Oneworld tool won't price a 12 segment DONE5 which includes XXX-SCL-IPC-SCL-XXX whereas it will price XXX-SCL-XXX !!! Is returning to SCL the problem ?
Thanks

I don't know about the tool, but I currently have a ONE5 with that routing. I've also had the same routing many times in the past. I always deal directly with the rtw desk.

Yes, the tool is full of errors and programming which is inconsistent with the rules. You may have hit on one that no one has yet tried and posted about on FT.

I'd much rather deal with the AA RTW desk than a random travel agent unless the travel agent has a lot of experience with this fare. The staff at the AA RTW desk is, for the most part, pretty well informed. AND I've always found them very pleasant. Easy for an airline to take control of an agent-issued ticket? Not so much. Might as well try; but I don't think that it's going to be easy.

i would guess YES IF AA has a fare at the time of purchase.

AA refused to touch ex-CAI fare for ticket that was issued after AA pulled the fare.

Before flying the first segment, it is more difficult for an airline to take control. After travel has started, it is trivial.

Yes, that was my experience as well.

Hi!

I have a ticketed DONE4 RTW itinerary (ticketed on BA) with HKG-AKL on 19th October. CX113 has no D inventory on that night (but plenty of I and C it seems) so I'm booked via SYD on QF128/QF143.

Is there a way to "waitlist" for CX113 on a DONE4 fare? What happens when the waitlist clears? Any idea how to explain this to a BA callcentre operative?

To make things more interesting, I'm travelling with a companion on a separate PNR (also a DONE4 fare). I'm BA gold (OW emerald) and she isn't. How do we ensure that we actually end up on the same flights?

Should we just fly via Sydney? :)

Thanks.

Actually, there now seems to be plenty of D according to EF and Cathay will even sell me a one-way flight in D on their website, but BA can't seem to see it. Is that normal?

Call BA HK or US.

POS issue. When it is set to UK D0, when it is set to either HK or US, it is D9

I asked the agent in the UK callcentre to office jump to HK (because that's where I saw it too) and she couldn't see any availability. She also tried US and saw nothing in D. I'll try to phone the HK callcentre when they're open tomorrow. Thanks for the tip!

Waitlisting under this fare is permitted (except for the first international sector), if CX permit waitlisting in the D bucket.

Ask the call centre to get you a waitlisted reservation in D class.

I'm not sure they'll allow you to hold space on two separate flights, one on a waitlist and one confirmed.

If the waitlist clears, the status will change from HL (held on waitlist) to KL (confirming from waitlist) and the agent will get a message in the queue to deal with it. The other sector in the lower class should be automatically cancelled if it's on the same plane, otherwise I think it would have to be done manually. The agent will need to acknowledge the change and revalidate/reissue the ticket in the new class.

Is it possible to get a reservation in R/L/B one a DONEx fare? I thought it all had to be in D? That's what the rule sheet PDF seems to claim. Or would this be on a separate ticket? CX is perfectly happy to sell me a one-way HKG-AKL in D but I'd like it as part of the RTW itinerary.

Perhaps I should read the previous 160 pages of this thread in more detail rather than skimming them. :)

Thanks for the tip!