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danger May 15, 2012 12:42 am


Originally Posted by fleur_de_lys (Post 18577080)
So if I wanted to fly from the US to Austrailia and from there visit a couple
of south pacific islands and then to south africa and back the same way, I assume that would be considered a 3 continent journey?

No, because you won't have flown around the world.

You have to travel in one direction (easterly or westerly, but are allowed to backtrack within regions (eg. LAX-MEL-AKL-SYD)).

Additionally, it is not possible to fly from South Africa to North America, meaning you have to add another region, bringing the count up to four.

SQ421 Jul 23, 2012 4:52 am

Can this routing be optimized further?
 
I've managed to eek out 60482 BIS Miles == 90723 EQP == 132578 RDM from the following routing...(provided I can book the first two flights on an AA codeshare and sign up for a Plat Challenge) and I was wondering if this is as optimized as an ex-JNB DONE5 can get, or is there more scope to squeeze out some more miles?


JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-LAX-DFW-ANC-DFW-LAX-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-JNB

Also, I'm guessing the best way to set this up is to call the AA RTW desk (to ensure I get AA Codeshares wherever possible, especially the first two flights) and ticket through an agent either in Canada (Gala Travels comes to mind) or South Africa (Mindpearl still operational?).

Cheers

Gardyloo Jul 23, 2012 8:47 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18983959)
I've managed to eek out 60482 BIS Miles == 90723 EQP == 132578 RDM from the following routing...(provided I can book the first two flights on an AA codeshare and sign up for a Plat Challenge) and I was wondering if this is as optimized as an ex-JNB DONE5 can get, or is there more scope to squeeze out some more miles?


JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-LAX-DFW-ANC-DFW-LAX-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-JNB

Also, I'm guessing the best way to set this up is to call the AA RTW desk (to ensure I get AA Codeshares wherever possible, especially the first two flights) and ticket through an agent either in Canada (Gala Travels comes to mind) or South Africa (Mindpearl still operational?).

Cheers

You most likely won't get to use AA codes on JNB-LHR-MCT, but will on MCT-LHR-LAX, which will be more than enough for the Plat challenge. (The first two segments' EQP will certainly count against your EXP quest, which I'm assuming is a motive here?)

If so, and assuming you don't need to return to South Africa at the end, then you could use the "second Europe entry" exception to your advantage, e.g. CPT-LHR-MCT-LHR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-xLHR-NBO comes in at over 67,300 miles, well in excess of the EXP threshold. Of course you need to fly to ANC during the summer, otherwise look to the Caribbean for alternative 2000-mile+ routes in the winter.

I'd send an itinerary both to Mindpearl and use the online tool, just to see who's cheapest. I think Mindpearl are great, but the last couple of times I've priced an xONEx through them it came back more expensive than using the online tool. If you choose to use the Kenya/Uganda exception, I'd probably go with the AA RTW desk, and tell them from the start that's your plan.

SQ421 Jul 23, 2012 9:53 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18985078)
You most likely won't get to use AA codes on JNB-LHR-MCT, but will on MCT-LHR-LAX, which will be more than enough for the Plat challenge. (The first two segments' EQP will certainly count against your EXP quest, which I'm assuming is a motive here?)

I know the flight needs to be booked on the operating carrier's code if using the booking tool. I was assuming (hoping?) that AA would be able to ticket any flights on AA codeshare as long as AA had a code on that flight. Or is there some rule that requires the first flight in a *ONE* to be booked using the operating carrier's code?

Yes, the quest is for about 18 odd months of EXP which would then soft land to another 12 months of PLAT :cool:


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18985078)
If so, and assuming you don't need to return to South Africa at the end, then you could use the "second Europe entry" exception to your advantage, e.g. CPT-LHR-MCT-LHR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-xLHR-NBO comes in at over 67,300 miles, well in excess of the EXP threshold. Of course you need to fly to ANC during the summer, otherwise look to the Caribbean for alternative 2000-mile+ routes in the winter.

Nope, no particular reason to return to JNB (or indeed South Africa).

Now, with the DFW-ANC-DFW flights, I'm aware they are seasonal (Northern Summer Only) but are there any set dates during which they operate. Plan to do this after 16th June next year (and likely before October), so the status gained will be valid till Feb 2015 + soft landing to Plat till Feb 2016. I guess those dates look ok for the ANC turnaround?


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18985078)
If you choose to use the Kenya/Uganda exception, I'd probably go with the AA RTW desk, and tell them from the start that's your plan.

Any particular reason why I need to mention that to AA? More curious than anything else.

pandaperth Jul 23, 2012 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18989730)
I know the flight needs to be booked on the operating carrier's code if using the booking tool. I was assuming (hoping?) that AA would be able to ticket any flights on AA codeshare as long as AA had a code on that flight. Or is there some rule that requires the first flight in a *ONE* to be booked using the operating carrier's code?

There is no rule that requires the first flight be on the operating carrier's code (I have booked a LONE4 with the first flight being QF metal and AA flight number)

The problem for you is that you can take the AA-coded JNB-LHR flight only if you are connecting in LHR to an onward AA TATL flight. This is not a rule of the RTW ticket, but is a rule of the agreement by which AA codeshares on these BA flights (I don't know if it is say a UK Govt requirement, or just the contractual agreement between the two airlines that requires this)

Gardyloo Jul 23, 2012 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18989730)
...Now, with the DFW-ANC-DFW flights, I'm aware they are seasonal (Northern Summer Only) but are there any set dates during which they operate. Plan to do this after 16th June next year (and likely before October), so the status gained will be valid till Feb 2015 + soft landing to Plat till Feb 2016. I guess those dates look ok for the ANC turnaround?

Usually around the first half of May until the end of September, so you ought to be okay. Note you can't book the segment using either the tool nor the RTW desk if you try to ticket during the period that it's not in the AA timetable; it would require a reissue in that case. AA typically doesn't put ANC into its schedules until Feb-March if memory serves.

Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18989730)
Any particular reason why I need to mention that to AA? More curious than anything else.

Only in that I've found that the RTW desk really wants to book RTW tickets very linearly.. flight + flight + flight, then when you try to do something creative or unusual, they get a bit grumpy and start saying things like, "you can't do that." Then you respond that yes, you can, according to the rules, then they go offline, come back still grumpy, and, anyway, things get testy. So I just suggest doing it up front and defusing the situation. Some reps are very, very knowledgeable, so it won't be an issue; others less so.

Regarding the codeshare issue, try pricing JNB-LHR-MCT using AA.com and see if it will return an AA code.

SQ421 Jul 23, 2012 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18989843)
Regarding the codeshare issue, try pricing JNB-LHR-MCT using AA.com and see if it will return an AA code.

Hmm... no love getting AA code for JNB-MCT... but I could (and probably will) do the MCT turnaround at the end (which atleast according to mileage monkey is still a valid itin).

So it should look like CPT-LHR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-LHR-MCT-LHR-NBO

Also, thanks for the heads up re "managing" the booking agents. Always a good tip. I'll defnintely have the flight numbers, dates and timings at hand before I sit down to make the call.

Himeno Jul 24, 2012 3:00 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18989730)
I know the flight needs to be booked on the operating carrier's code if using the booking tool. I was assuming (hoping?) that AA would be able to ticket any flights on AA codeshare as long as AA had a code on that flight. Or is there some rule that requires the first flight in a *ONE* to be booked using the operating carrier's code?

No rules about requiring the operating code. The online tool just now correctly applies the normal rules for certain codeshares such as requiring an international online connection (eg, you can't normally book a QF coded AA domestic/BA European flight without a QF coded international flight on the same ticket). The only "rule" for the online tool is that it uses the code of the first flight to work out the ticketing carrier. If you did JNB-LHR-US, you would be able to use the AA code on one of the JNB BA flights.


Now, with the DFW-ANC-DFW flights, I'm aware they are seasonal (Northern Summer Only) but are there any set dates during which they operate. Plan to do this after 16th June next year (and likely before October), so the status gained will be valid till Feb 2015 + soft landing to Plat till Feb 2016. I guess those dates look ok for the ANC turnaround?
The ANC flights stop at the end of September. This year they started May 10.

SQ421 Jul 24, 2012 6:14 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18990037)

The Online Tool doesn't seem to validate this itinerary... despite all connections via LHR being under 24 hours...

pandaperth Jul 24, 2012 7:07 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18991126)
The Online Tool doesn't seem to validate this itinerary... despite all connections via LHR being under 24 hours...

The second visit to Europe does not satisfy the conditions for it. The condition is:

E. ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS -
1.
2.
3. FOR TRAVEL TO/FROM/VIA GHANA/NIGERIA/KENYA AND UGANDA TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE WHEN ONE IS A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN GHANA/NIGERIA/KENYA/UGANDA AND ANOTHER CONTINENT.
The routing ...SYD-LHR-MCT-LHR-NBO is not a transit without stopover

Gardyloo Jul 24, 2012 8:20 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18990037)
Hmm... no love getting AA code for JNB-MCT... but I could (and probably will) do the MCT turnaround at the end (which atleast according to mileage monkey is still a valid itin).

So it should look like CPT-LHR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-LHR-MCT-LHR-NBO

Also, thanks for the heads up re "managing" the booking agents. Always a good tip. I'll defnintely have the flight numbers, dates and timings at hand before I sit down to make the call.

If it were NBO-xLHR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-BOM-HKG-DEL-NRT-SYD-LHR-MCT-LHR-CPT it would be fine, since the first pass through Europe would be without stopover, and from an eligible country. Of course you'd have to pay the higher Kenya-originating price.

SQ421 Jul 24, 2012 2:53 pm

I guess then it'll have to be CPT-LHR-MCT-LHR-DFW.....

BrewerSEA Jul 24, 2012 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 18994458)
I guess then it'll have to be CPT-LHR-MCT-LHR-DFW.....

The AA Challenge was recently expanded and is no longer limited to AA marketed flights.


UPDATE: As of July 2012, flights marketed and operated by certain partners will also be eligible to earn points that count toward the completion of a Challenge: British Airways, Iberia, Japan Airlines and Qantas. (Cathay Pacific is notably missing.) The specific language from the challenge confirmation says "And now you have more opportunities to complete your Challenge because points earned on qualifying flights on American Airlines, American Eagle, the AmericanConnection® carrier, British Airways, Iberia, Japan Airlines, Qantas and their eligible codeshare flights count toward your Challenge."

SQ421 Jul 25, 2012 12:37 am


Originally Posted by BrewerSEA (Post 18994565)
The AA Challenge was recently expanded and is no longer limited to AA marketed flights.

Well that's handy!

Himeno Jul 25, 2012 1:07 am


Originally Posted by BrewerSEA (Post 18994565)
The AA Challenge was recently expanded and is no longer limited to AA marketed flights.

It sounds like it is just with their main partners who they have antitrust immunity with.

serfty Jul 25, 2012 6:39 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 18997211)
It sounds like it is just with their main partners who they have antitrust immunity with.

Not sure about any immunity with Qantas, but they are one of the partners.

BrewerSEA Jul 25, 2012 9:43 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 18997211)
It sounds like it is just with their main partners who they have antitrust immunity with.

Yup, these are the four partners AA has ATI/JBV with. If joint operations are metal neutral it makes sense for AA to allow challenges on those partners.

Himeno Jul 25, 2012 10:49 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 18998179)
Not sure about any immunity with Qantas, but they are one of the partners.

http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Bu...rlines&a=trans

3544quebec Jul 29, 2012 4:00 am

My memory is obviously failing but I thought that Sudan was included in Africa not Europe in the xONEx continent classification.
I was also certain that Libya was also included in Africa but it is now in Europe - tell me that I am or am not losing my mind.

Himeno Jul 29, 2012 5:44 am


Originally Posted by 3544quebec (Post 19021251)
My memory is obviously failing but I thought that Sudan was included in Africa not Europe in the xONEx continent classification.
I was also certain that Libya was also included in Africa but it is now in Europe - tell me that I am or am not losing my mind.


Originally Posted by OneWorld Explorer rule sheet, 1 April 2012
Continents are defined as:
*Europe-Middle East (Including Algeria, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Morocco Russia both east and west of the Urals, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan )


3544quebec Jul 29, 2012 6:20 am

But does this represent an unheralded change? Sudan it seems not but Libya?

joepubli Aug 18, 2012 5:55 pm

Is LONE6 starting in Cyprus unbookable?
 
According to. http://www.wandr.me/RTW_Fares.aspx/ByProduct/LONE6
Fare from Cyprus is only $2513.
However when I try and book it online, I can only book alight to amman and then it seems impossible to book flights to say, London or USA.it doesn't find any availability from LCA to LHR although I can see flights on ba.com. The error says can only cross atlantic once. Am I doing something wrong?

Seychelles seems even cheaper - is that not bookable either?
Thanks
Jo

Dr. HFH Aug 18, 2012 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by joepubli (Post 19148962)
Seychelles seems even cheaper - is that not bookable either?

Don't know about Cyprus, but there haven't been any OW flights to SEZ in years. Probably why they didn't bother recalculating and updating the xONEx pricing there.

Himeno Aug 18, 2012 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by joepubli (Post 19148962)
According to. http://www.wandr.me/RTW_Fares.aspx/ByProduct/LONE6
Fare from Cyprus is only $2513.
However when I try and book it online, I can only book alight to amman and then it seems impossible to book flights to say, London or USA.it doesn't find any availability from LCA to LHR although I can see flights on back.com. The error says can only cross atlantic once. Am I doing something wrong?

Seychelles seems even cheaper - is that not bookable either?
Thanks
Jo

There shouldn't be any issues from Cyprus other then availability. There are oneworld flights from PFO to NUE and LGW and from LCA to AMM, LHR and NUE.

Seychelles isn't on the oneworld map. Nearest is Mauritius.

joepubli Aug 19, 2012 4:08 am

post deleted.

joepubli Aug 19, 2012 6:37 am

Thanks Himeno
 
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joepubli Aug 19, 2012 8:46 am

LONE6
 
Thanks for the tip Himeno - its very limited availability.

I finally managed to get a valid route starting in LCA that includes all 6 continents. However, the cost of 3,608 Euros (before taxes) is still coming in well over the $2513 price stated on http://www.wandr.me/RTW_Fares.aspx/ByProduct/LONE6 for a trip starting in Cyprus:

Here is the trip - grateful for any pointers on why the price is so much more - is the Cyprus price just wrong or has anyone managed to book at this price?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Larnaca to Amman
Monday, August 27, 2012

Departure: 13:15 Larnaca, Cyprus - Larnaca
Arrival: 14:25 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ134 e
Airbus Industrie A321
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Amman to Tel Aviv Yafo
Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Departure: 16:15 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Arrival: 17:00 Tel Aviv Yafo, Israel - Ben Gurion International
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ346 e
Embraer 195
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Tel Aviv Yafo to Rio De Janeiro
Saturday, September 01, 2012

Departure: 06:10 Tel Aviv Yafo, Israel - Ben Gurion International
Arrival: 10:40 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Airline: Iberia IB3751 e
Airbus Industrie A319
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Change of plane required. Time between flights : 1:35.

Saturday, September 01, 2012

Departure: 12:15 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Arrival: 17:50 Rio De Janeiro, Brazil - Rio De Janeiro International
Airline: Iberia IB6025 e
Airbus Industrie A340-600
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Rio De Janeiro to Santiago
Sunday, September 02, 2012

Departure: 17:15 Rio De Janeiro, Brazil - Rio De Janeiro International
Arrival: 22:05 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Airline: LAN Airlines LA773 e
Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Santiago to Lima
Monday, September 03, 2012

Departure: 21:25 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Arrival: 23:10 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Airline: LAN Airlines LA530 e
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Lima to Los Angeles, CA
Tuesday, September 04, 2012

Departure: 01:10 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Arrival: 07:50 Los Angeles, CA, USA - Los Angeles International
Airline: American Airlines AA7702 e
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Operated by LAN Airlines
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Los Angeles, CA to Sydney
Thursday, September 20, 2012

Departure: 22:10 Los Angeles, CA, USA - Los Angeles International
Arrival: 06:10 +2 day(s) Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Airline: American Airlines AA7364 e
Airbus Industrie A380
Operated by Qantas Airways
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Sydney to Auckland
Thursday, September 27, 2012

Departure: 09:25 Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Arrival: 14:40 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Airline: LAN Airlines LA800 e
Airbus Industrie A340
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Auckland to Melbourne
Sunday, September 30, 2012

Departure: 06:50 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Arrival: 08:00 Melbourne, Australia - Melbourne Airport
Airline: Qantas Airways QF132 e
Boeing 737-800 (Winglets)
Operated by JETCONNECT FOR QANTAS
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Melbourne to Perth
Wednesday, October 03, 2012

Departure: 12:35 Melbourne, Australia - Melbourne Airport
Arrival: 14:50 Perth, Australia - Perth
Airline: Qantas Airways QF769 e
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Perth to Singapore
Sunday, October 07, 2012

Departure: 11:55 Perth, Australia - Perth
Arrival: 17:25 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Airline: British Airways BA7377 e
Airbus Industrie A330-300
Operated by Qantas Airways
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Singapore to Hong Kong
Thursday, October 11, 2012

Departure: 07:10 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Arrival: 10:55 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX650 e
Boeing 777-200/200ER
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Hong Kong to Johannesburg
Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Departure: 23:45 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Arrival: 06:35 +1 day(s) Johannesburg, South Africa - O.R. Tambo International
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX749 e
Boeing 747-400
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Johannesburg to London
Thursday, January 10, 2013

Departure: 20:15 Johannesburg, South Africa - O.R. Tambo International
Arrival: 05:15 +1 day(s) London, United Kingdom - Heathrow
Airline: British Airways BA56 e
Boeing 747-400
Fare type: Economy Restricted

London to Larnaca
Friday, January 11, 2013

Departure: 08:40 London, United Kingdom - Heathrow
Arrival: 15:10 Larnaca, Cyprus - Larnaca
Airline: British Airways BA662 e
Boeing 767
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Legend:
e = e-ticket option,
EUR = Euro,
USD = U.S. Dollar
Price
Travellers Fare Taxes
1 Adult(s) x (3,608.00 + 1,116.22) = 4,724.22 EUR
total price for all travellers 4,724.22 EUR
oneworld Explorer Product Information

Himeno Aug 19, 2012 9:12 am

The price for an LONE6 from Cyprus is 3604 EUR + tax. That site is out of date. Your price is coming up at 3608 + tax because of a HKG tax that adds to the base fare.

joepubli Aug 19, 2012 9:42 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 19151697)
The price for an LONE6 from Cyprus is 3604 EUR + tax. That site is out of date. Your price is coming up at 3608 + tax because of a HKG tax that adds to the base fare.

Ah that would explain it! Thanks. Is the Khartoum one at $3032 the correct price? I am basically looking at the cheapest option within inexpensive reach of London.

Himeno Aug 19, 2012 9:52 am


Originally Posted by joepubli (Post 19151802)
Ah that would explain it! Thanks. Is the Khartoum one at $3032 the correct price? I am basically looking at the cheapest option within inexpensive reach of London.

LONE6 from KRT 9400 SDG ~1351 GBP

RichardInSF Aug 19, 2012 12:45 pm

This is probably a silly question, but I didn't find it (admittedly I just skimmed the beginning and ending of the thread): If I check on expertflyer for a fare, it typically doesn't include the phony "fuel charges." Will I be assessed these charges on a RTW explorer? If so, on what basis is it assessed:

a. Airline who books the ticket.

b. On a segment by segment basis.

c. Based on which airline flies the first segment.

etc.

Gardyloo Aug 19, 2012 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 19152636)
This is probably a silly question, but I didn't find it (admittedly I just skimmed the beginning and ending of the thread): If I check on expertflyer for a fare, it typically doesn't include the phony "fuel charges." Will I be assessed these charges on a RTW explorer? If so, on what basis is it assessed:

a. Airline who books the ticket.

b. On a segment by segment basis.

c. Based on which airline flies the first segment.

etc.

Not silly at all, and it's one of the great mysteries (and sources of grief) in the whole business.

Answers:

a. Yes.
b. Yes.
c. Yes.

Usually, (a) and (c) are the same, and (b) is increasingly contingent on (a.) In particular you will likely be charged more in fuel fines - total - by British Airways if they're ticketing and/or flying the first segment, as they will assess surcharges "downstream" on other carriers' flights.

AA is less prone to do so, although they will happily pass through fuel surcharges on BA-flown segments (with or without AA codeshare designations.) I don't know that the data base is broad enough to speak in general terms on tickets issued by other OW airlines. AA does proxy booking on JL and RJ - initiated RTWs, but the online tool is very buggy in these cases, so while it might seem like those tickets suffer less from fuel fines, actually consummating the sale online with these carriers is problematic.

As of now, nobody has cracked the code on how best (which also relates to where best) to avoid excessive fuel fines - a lot of it is trial and error using the (buggy) online booking tool. In addition, of course, the possible permutations of itineraries (with and without stopovers, open segments, etc.) is in the ?millions? so a comprehensive road map is probably out of the question.

Anecdotal experience with having the AA RTW desk issue tickets irrespective of the first carrier (i.e. as a work-around for the online tool) is mixed; I've had them quote me a higher total (related to more YQ) than the online tool on the same itinerary, also less. Quite frustrating, in fact.

joepubli Aug 19, 2012 7:39 pm

Please help me save taxes of $1,966 on fare of $1,296
 
Thanks to earlier tips, in particular to Himeno, I finally got an ex Khartoum LONE4 (excludes Africa and North America) to work on the online site. However taxes are enormous probably because of a couple of BA flights?

Itinerary:
Khartoum-Amman (RJ)-Barcelona(RJ)-Madrid (IB)-RIO(IB)-Santiego(Lan)-Sydney(QF)- Auckland (QF)-Brisbane (QF)-Darwin(QF)-Perth(QF)-HK(CX)-BKK(CX)-HK(RJ)-DEL(CX)-LON(BA)-DXB (BA)
* Lon-Dxb leaves the same day as arrival from DEL so the London tax should be avoided.

Of the $1966 - $894 is "Airline Fuel Surcharge", $277 "Multiple Surcharges" SDEM -$129, Australia Passenger movement charge $115, Australian Passenger Service charge $94.

Also any tips on improving the itinerary to make better use of segments welcomed as well as reducing the taxes.

Finally, I thought that the 7 day advance booking requirement was only if the trip started in US? The online planner wont let me book anything departing earlier than 28th.

Thanks for your help.

fumitani Aug 19, 2012 7:57 pm

KRT-AMM-MAD-RIO-SCL-SYD

you could do

LA SCL-JFK
QF JFK-SYD (unless u want to completely avoid USA)

PER-HKG-BKK-HKG-DEL-LHR could be changed to

CX/QF PER-HKG
CX/RJ HKG-BKK
CX BKK-DEL
JL DEL-NRT-LHR

joepubli Aug 20, 2012 8:44 pm

Thanks Fumitani. Its been a good days work. I have managed to reduce the $1,966 to just under $1,000. The main culprits were 2 BA flights and a Qantas flight - the exact same flight under Lan was over $300 cheaper in taxes. itasoftware was very useful in checking taxes for the same flights under different carrier.
I now have:

Cabin Class : BUSINESS

Number of Continents 4
Number of Segments: 15
Number of Stopovers : 11
Routing: KRT (RJ)-AMM(IB) -MAD (LAN) -LIM (LAN)-SCL--SCL(LAN)-SYD (QF)-BNE (QF)-DRW(QF)-PER(CX)-HKG(CX)-BKK(JL)-NRT(JL)-DEL(AY)-HEL(AY)-DXB

I really wanted to get back to London but the taxes for BA flights are extortionate.

Any suggestions for improvement greatly appreciated.



Questions I have left are

1. Does "Canada Pricing" still result in a much lower fare? Online, I have got to $2788 +$1,002 for a DONE4 EX Khartoum. I am in the UK. If Canada Pricing works, what do I need to do?

2. Online, I get all the way to the credit card page for a DONR4 ex Khartoum. Has anyone managed to buy it online? I saw some posts with issues.

3. Which mileage programme should I use for this trip - AA or BA to accumulate the most useful points - I have no status anywhere. I dont have any AA flights as I am skipping North America. Is there a website which will calculate for me?

4. Lastly, I have quite a few stops in Australia - would I do better to fly some of these segments using a low cost airline and save some for say China?

Thanks again. I think I am nearly there.

Himeno Aug 21, 2012 12:20 am


Originally Posted by joepubli (Post 19161694)
Routing: KRT (RJ)-AMM(IB) -MAD (LAN) -LIM (LAN)-SCL--SCL(LAN)-SYD (QF)-BNE (QF)-DRW(QF)-PER(CX)-HKG(CX)-BKK(JL)-NRT(JL)-DEL(AY)-HEL(AY)-DXB[/I]
I really wanted to get back to London but the taxes for BA flights are extortionate.

You might want to avoid that Finnair HEL-DXB flight. I looked at the same thing earlier when I was planning my trip for this year. When I asked about the flight in the Finnair forum, they said the avoid it due to the aircraft config. You could look at something like HEL-DUS-AUH.


1. Does "Canada Pricing" still result in a much lower fare? Online, I have got to $2788 +$1,002 for a DONE4 EX Khartoum. I am in the UK. If Canada Pricing works, what do I need to do?
This is the "Canadian Exception" as noted in the fare rules.

Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.
In order to make use of it, you either need to go to Canada and buy it there yourself (many people in the US do this, fly into a Canadian airport, go to the AA ticket counter, pay, then fly back to the US) or via a Canadian travel agent. There are contact details in this forum for an agent in Toronto who will provide this service. You will need to call the AA RTW desk and set up the ticket, telling them it is for sale in Canada. Then once that's done, contact the agent and give the PNR. They'll then take over the booking and accept payment, along with their service fee.


2. Online, I get all the way to the credit card page for a DONR4 ex Khartoum. Has anyone managed to buy it online? I saw some posts with issues.
The problem is related to AA ticketing for JL and RJ. When AA tickets, but they don't operate the first flight, the tool tends to fail.


3. Which mileage programme should I use for this trip - AA or BA to accumulate the most useful points - I have no status anywhere. I dont have any AA flights as I am skipping North America. Is there a website which will calculate for me?
Try checking out http://www.slfft.org/0.95022/award.htm

joepubli Aug 22, 2012 6:35 pm

Himeno
Thanks for your continuing help. Please can I play back my understanding of the Canadian Exception.

I have setup an online itinerary starting out in Sudan for the cheap price. It comes to $2788+taxes. Because the first flight is on RJ I won't he able to book on line. I am in London UK.

If I then call AAs RTW team they will charge me the price for starting from the UK and I will lose the advantage of the low price for starting from Sudan. However if I ask them to set it up for it to be ticketed in Canada I will pay in C$ the equivalent of $2788+taxes. Correct? Is Naseem the agent to use in Canada?

Finally, if my credit card details do magically work online on the AA website, will I be charged the $2708+taxes or the London based price.

I have my Sudanese visa and I am good to go!

Himeno Aug 23, 2012 1:13 am


Originally Posted by joepubli (Post 19175093)
Because the first flight is on RJ I won't he able to book on line.

You should be able to, in theory. The is a bug in the tool (for at least the past 16 months) preventing such bookings from completing.


If I then call AAs RTW team they will charge me the price for starting from the UK and I will lose the advantage of the low price for starting from Sudan. However if I ask them to set it up for it to be ticketed in Canada I will pay in C$ the equivalent of $2788+taxes. Correct? Is Naseem the agent to use in Canada?
More or less.
If you ticket it over the phone with the RTW desk, or at the AA ticket counter at LHR, you will pay the UK price.
You call the RTW desk in Dallas (+1-800-247-3247, Mon-Fri 0700-2000, Sat&Sun 0900-1730 UTC-6) tell them what flights you want and say that you will be paying in Canada.
They will give you the PNR and send it to their rates desk to get priced.
You can use the PNR to look up the booking on aa.com to review it. If there are any issues, call them back to fix.
Email naeem ([email protected]) with the PNR AA gave you.
Naeem will take control of the booking from AA and will contact you with the price. He will add his agency service fee. When I went to him last year, the fee was $75CAD.
Once he has confirmed the price, organize payment.

The taxes you get quoted via the AA desk will likely be a little more then what the tool tells you.

joepubli Aug 23, 2012 3:01 pm

Thanks Himeno. I understand now.

joepubli Aug 26, 2012 8:14 am

Why can't I?
 
Why can't I book LAN operated LA 801 SCL-AKL (5 OCT)? The only option the online planner gives me is QF322. The taxes on this are over $300 higher! Any suggestions on how to get round this?

Similarly I notice that quite often the AA codeshare doesn't show up although I can see it on ITA Matrix. I am considering paying for a Platinum Challenge (the route totals 40k miles so should be worth it) but as the early flights are on SJ and LAN I am missing out on a lot of mileage. Will the AA agent be able to choose the AA numbered alternative flights instead?

My revised trip is as follows. I am avoiding the US to keep it to 4 continents. I have revised it significantly to make use of low cost carriers (AirAsia for eg) rather than burn one of the RTW segments. My taxes come to $1400 (two biggies - BA to London and SCL-AKL above).

Any final improvements welcomed. I am hoping to book this evening.
Thanks for all the help.
Joe

Cabin Class : BUSINESS

Number of Continents 4
Number of Segments: 16
Number of Stopovers : 12
Routing: KRT-AMM-LHR-LIM--LIM-IPC-SCL-AKL-SYD-DRW-PER-SIN-NRT-PEK-HKG-HEL-DXB


Sector 1
From/To: KRT - AMM
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 09/09/2012
Arrive Date: 09/09/2012
Flight No: RJ 511 (operated by Royal Jordanian)
Depart Time: 05:25
Arrive Time: 08:15
Booking Class: D

Sector 2
From/To: AMM - LON
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 09/11/2012
Arrive Date: 09/11/2012
Flight No: RJ 111 (operated by Royal Jordanian)
Depart Time: 11:50
Arrive Time: 15:25
Booking Class: D

Sector 3
From/To: LON - RIO
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 09/12/2012
Arrive Date: 09/12/2012
Flight No: BA 249 (operated by British Airways)
Depart Time: 13:15
Arrive Time: 20:55
Booking Class: D

Sector4
Other means or transportation chosen for this leg of your itinerary From/To: RIO, BR - LIM, PE


Sector 5
From/To: LIM - IPC
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 09/30/2012
Arrive Date: 09/30/2012
Flight No: LA 848 (operated by LAN Airlines)
Depart Time: 01:20
Arrive Time: 06:55
Booking Class: D

Sector 6
From/To: IPC - SCL
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 10/03/2012
Arrive Date: 10/03/2012
Flight No: LA 848 (operated by LAN Airlines)
Depart Time: 07:55
Arrive Time: 14:40
Booking Class: D

Sector 7
From/To: SCL - AKL
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 10/05/2012
Arrive Date: 10/07/2012
Flight No: QF 322 * (Qantas operated by LAN Airlines)
Depart Time: 23:25
Arrive Time: 04:35
Booking Class: D

Sector 8
From/To: AKL - SYD
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 10/12/2012
Arrive Date: 10/12/2012
Flight No: LA 801 (operated by LAN Airlines)
Depart Time: 06:05
Arrive Time: 07:45
Booking Class: D

Sector 9
From/To: SYD - DRW
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 10/19/2012
Arrive Date: 10/19/2012
Flight No: QF 842 (operated by Qantas)
Depart Time: 11:25
Arrive Time: 14:35
Booking Class: D

Sector 10
From/To: DRW - PER
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 10/26/2012
Arrive Date: 10/26/2012
Flight No: QF 793 (operated by Qantas)
Depart Time: 14:20
Arrive Time: 16:50
Booking Class: D

Sector 11
From/To: PER - SIN
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 11/02/2012
Arrive Date: 11/02/2012
Flight No: QF 77 (operated by Qantas)
Depart Time: 12:20
Arrive Time: 17:40
Booking Class: D

Sector 12
From/To: SIN - TYO
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 01/10/2013
Arrive Date: 01/10/2013
Flight No: JL 710 (operated by JAL)
Depart Time: 01:55
Arrive Time: 09:40
Booking Class: D

Sector 13
From/To: TYO - BJS
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 01/12/2013
Arrive Date: 01/12/2013
Flight No: JL 863 (operated by JAL)
Depart Time: 10:35
Arrive Time: 14:00
Booking Class: D

Sector 14
From/To: BJS - HKG
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 01/23/2013
Arrive Date: 01/23/2013
Flight No: CX 391 (operated by Cathay Pacific Airways)
Depart Time: 13:30
Arrive Time: 17:10
Booking Class: D

Sector 15
From/To: HKG - HEL
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 01/31/2013
Arrive Date: 01/31/2013
Flight No: AY 70 (operated by Finnair)
Depart Time: 01:20
Arrive Time: 06:20
Booking Class: D

Sector 16
From/To: HEL - DXB
Stops: 0
Depart Date: 01/31/2013
Arrive Date: 01/31/2013
Flight No: AY 965 (operated by Finnair)
Depart Time: 09:45
Arrive Time: 18:00
Booking Class: D


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