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The reality is that it is PITA for an agent to do the paperwork relating to funds collection in cases like these. It is often far simply to rebook the PAX
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That might explain why, having worked myself into quite a fit over this betrayal by my beloved QF, I decided to seek solace with BA - they made the change in about 2 seconds flat, and fee-free.
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 6004937)
As requested, below is a table showing "L" class FFP earning rates by airline flown/FFP.
Booking Class L - Redeemable miles/km per mile/km flown [CODE] FFP> AA* AY BA CX EI IB LA QF *Pts *Pts FLY V AA* 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 0.5 AY** 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1 BA* 0.25 0.5 0.25 0.5 Y Y 0.25 0.25 CX 0 1 0.25 1 Y N 1 0.5 EI 0 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1 IB 0.3 1 0.25 0 Y Y 0.3 1 LA 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1 QF 0.5 1 0.25 0.5 Y Y 0.7 1 Y/B/H/K/M/P/T And for CX member on L class: AA 100% Club Miles LA 100% Club Miles MA 100% Club miles IB 50% Club Miles JL INT 50% DOM 0 QF 50% Club Miles BA 50% Club Mile AY 0 RJ 0 |
Note this recent change: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...l#post12196254
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I wanted AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL with stopovers at MEL and SYD. I was informed that I could only have two stopovers in my continent of origin (which I knew) but this rule variance meant I could have one stopover "at the start of the trip" and the one stopover "at the end"; I could not have none "at the start" and two "at the end" or vv. (That was what how it was put to me). It was no real issue in our case; I simply wanted to book most connections as stopovers¶ so I simply booked AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL (i.e. a transit in SYD). It is not an issue for such OZ flights if you start outside of SWP. ¶To avoid later fees and/or re-ticketing should I need to change routing resulting in a transfer (-x) becoming a stopover (-) |
Hi everyone,
I posted this question in the main oneworld forum, but didn't receive much of an answer, so I'll try again in this thread. I am planning an ex-CGK DONE3, which I will probably book through the AA RTW desk. I have been looking at the options, and it seems that I will probably need to pay in Indonesia. However, I was looking at the Explorer Fare Technical Rule Sheet, specifically rule 15, which says: 'When travel originates om a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale'. Now this raises a question for me because, it would seem to suggest that I could purchase my ex-CGK DONE3 in Australia at the Indonesia rate converted to AUD at the bank selling rate. I say this because there is no similar fare (xONE3) sold in Australia. Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts on my interpretation? Thanks Fraserm |
That is the first time I have heard anyone suggest this,but by George I think you're right!
It then raises the possibility of buying an AONE3 in Australia for an ex-cheaper country price and then at some later point after travel has commenced reissuing it as an AONE6 for example saving a motza. |
Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?
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Originally Posted by chrislondon2
(Post 13023304)
Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?
I don't think there are any residency requirements for these tickets, so anybody can buy a ticket in any country and start there. I for one am thinking of buying a DONE5 starting in South Africa or Jordan, while I am a US citizen |
Originally Posted by fraserm
(Post 12701183)
Hi everyone,
I posted this question in the main oneworld forum, but didn't receive much of an answer, so I'll try again in this thread. I am planning an ex-CGK DONE3, which I will probably book through the AA RTW desk. I have been looking at the options, and it seems that I will probably need to pay in Indonesia. However, I was looking at the Explorer Fare Technical Rule Sheet, specifically rule 15, which says: 'When travel originates om a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale'. Now this raises a question for me because, it would seem to suggest that I could purchase my ex-CGK DONE3 in Australia at the Indonesia rate converted to AUD at the bank selling rate. I say this because there is no similar fare (xONE3) sold in Australia. Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts on my interpretation? Thanks Fraserm
Originally Posted by 3544quebec
(Post 12704205)
That is the first time I have heard anyone suggest this,but by George I think you're right!
It then raises the possibility of buying an AONE3 in Australia for an ex-cheaper country price and then at some later point after travel has commenced reissuing it as an AONE6 for example saving a motza. |
A good Canadian agent
Originally Posted by chrislondon2
(Post 13023304)
....how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6?....
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Originally Posted by chrislondon2
(Post 13023304)
Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?
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Originally Posted by chrislondon2
(Post 13023834)
I'm in SYD next week on a short side-trip from MNL on a DONE3. Unless anyone sees any problem in trying this, I'll certainly try for an AONE3 exTLV when I'm in SYD.
If for example there was a published fare for AONE3 ex SYD, you would need to pay the higher converted price of ex SYD or ex TLV, even though you are starting in TLV. This would almost certainly be ex SYD. Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's. Here's the rule: (http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf) 15. SALES RESTRICTIONS When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland. |
Canadian prices for rtw product
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 13026150)
Note that as there are no published xONE3 fares ex Australia you it is possible you may be charged the xONE4 price (although reports on this vary).
If for example there was a published fare for AONE3 ex SYD, you would need to pay the higher converted price of ex SYD or ex TLV, even though you are starting in TLV. This would almost certainly be ex SYD. Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's. Here's the rule: (http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf) Let me see if I am correct, regardless of which country my rtw ticket originates in I will have to pay the Canadian prices. :mad: However if I have AA issue the ticket, this rule will not apply. Am I correct? Which currency will AA bill me, USD or CAD? Everytime I have purchased AA tickets (from AA) I have been billed in CAD. |
No if bought from a Canadian travel agent or airline ticketing office you can get the lower rate applicable for the start of your ticket.
Buying in Canada normally means being billed in CAD. |
Thanks for the explanation Kiwi Flyer. There is so much information about rtw tickets sometimes, the amount of information can be overwhelming. This is all a learning process to me.
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Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 13026150)
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Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's. ...
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 13037936)
No if bought from a Canadian travel agent or airline ticketing office you can get the lower rate applicable for the start of your ticket.
Buying in Canada normally means being billed in CAD. That is why the higher price rule cannot be applied there. |
Originally Posted by IC6A
(Post 12607917)
looks like that CX member no longer earn Club miles on AY L class. The class for Club mile is reduced to:
Y/B/H/K/M/P/T And for CX member on L class: AA 100% Club Miles LA 100% Club Miles MA 100% Club miles IB 50% Club Miles JL INT 50% DOM 0 QF 50% Club Miles BA 50% Club Mile AY 0 RJ 0 |
You get 125% Club Miles for D on any OW airline.
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It might be worth updating the upgrade section to include the other airlines not mentioned.
I have just completed 4 flights with Lan on a OWE as a Premium Silver and was able to upgrade 3 of the 4 flights. |
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13567121)
It might be worth updating the upgrade section to include the other airlines not mentioned.
I have just completed 4 flights with Lan on a OWE as a Premium Silver and was able to upgrade 3 of the 4 flights. |
Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.
You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 13567183)
How did you upgrade? Thanks.
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13567263)
Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.
You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance. |
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 13567183)
How did you upgrade? Thanks.
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13567263)
Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.
You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance. |
Of course you have to join Lan Pass. I thought that was fairly obvious. My point was that this thread only covers upgrades with CX, Qantas, BA & AA. I think it is incomplete & should cover all the One World Airlines.
I would like to see a system of One World upgrades but for now one has to join the individual FFP's. |
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13568501)
Of course you have to join Lan Pass. I thought that was fairly obvious. My point was that this thread only covers upgrades with CX, Qantas, BA & AA. I think it is incomplete & should cover all the One World Airlines.
I would like to see a system of One World upgrades but for now one has to join the individual FFP's. |
It might be worth reading the personal info under a poster's name.
I did include Lan Premium Silver under mine. This thread deals with the OWE. It is not comprehensive if it only covers certain airlines. |
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13568838)
It might be worth reading the personal info under a poster's name.
I did include Lan Premium Silver under mine. This thread deals with the OWE. It is not comprehensive if it only covers certain airlines. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 13568870)
It might be worth posting in the right forum.
My original post was regarding the ability to upgrade Lan sectors on a One World Explorer ticket (L). This thread does have a section re the ability to upgrade individual sectors on CX, BA & AA. I was just confirming that it is also possible to upgrade individual sectors with Lan. As a regular OWE buyer the ability to upgrade individual sectors is extremely important to me. As far I can see this is the correct thread to comment on this issue. |
Originally Posted by boar
(Post 13570249)
I think there must a fair degree of misunderstanding on both sides. My apologies.
My original post was regarding the ability to upgrade Lan sectors on a One World Explorer ticket (L). This thread does have a section re the ability to upgrade individual sectors on CX, BA & AA. I was just confirming that it is also possible to upgrade individual sectors with Lan. As a regular OWE buyer the ability to upgrade individual sectors is extremely important to me. As far I can see this is the correct thread to comment on this issue. |
Sounds like LAN has a good upgrade system? Better than CX, BA, AA?
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Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 13038374)
Yes, it's Canadian legislation that allows sales for origins cheaper than Canada to be sold in Canada at the cheaper price.
That is why the higher price rule cannot be applied there. |
Originally Posted by eamus
(Post 3024164)
Q: What are the continents on which the fare is calculated? Which countries are in which continent?
A: Forget all your geography lessons, and take a look at the map accessible by clicking this hyperlink and you should see the continents. (Please see thread continued in next post.....) |
Originally Posted by Mafai
(Post 13683015)
Sounds like LAN has a good upgrade system? Better than CX, BA, AA?
Lan's upgrade system works well for RTW/Circle Pacific tickets (Visit South America Passes?) where these tickets are booked in D class. The downside is these upgrades can only be confirmed at the gate. It's not so good for normal single/return tickets as the minimum upgradeable fares are far too high. It also worth well using Lan Kms to upgrade individual sectors as this is the only method of guaranteeing an upgrade before arriving at the airport. |
Does anybody know why LHR-LAS BA direct flight is not coming up as an option when i try and book flights online or am I being thick again?
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Are you using the plan option or plan and book option in the online tool? If the latter then there needs to be availability in the required booking class (L D or A).
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 14143394)
Are you using the plan option or plan and book option in the online tool? If the latter then there needs to be availability in the required booking class (L D or A).
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L on BA.com doesn't necessarily mean L is available for your RTW booking. There are various factors used by airlines to control inventory - point of sale restrictions (available for tickets bought in some countries but not in other countries), married segment logic (available on certain connecting itineraries but not origin & destination or vice versa), sub-limits (not available on certain fares), etc.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this
I'm trying to book a DONE ticket for a July 22nd departure from BOS to LHR on BA. I'm booking this through a travel agent locally as I didn't feel like dealing with the hassle. As some of you have noted, the BA desk seems to be pretty slow, and they still haven't gotten back to my agent about pricing, etc, so I can actually pay for it. Should I.. 1) Keep waiting? 2) call the desk myself? 3) Go with AA? (I'd rather not fly AA...) Apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask. |
xONEx buying extra sectors
Q: Can I buy more segments?
A: Yes, you can buy up to two more segments per continent, other than the continent of origin, at varying prices depending on the class in which you are booked. You cannot, however, have more than 20 segments in total. Is this still correct? cheers, Henry |
No it isn't, and the OP has been updated.
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