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serfty Oct 10, 2009 5:48 am

The reality is that it is PITA for an agent to do the paperwork relating to funds collection in cases like these. It is often far simply to rebook the PAX

So often, they let it go.

Hugh Oct 11, 2009 5:17 pm

That might explain why, having worked myself into quite a fit over this betrayal by my beloved QF, I decided to seek solace with BA - they made the change in about 2 seconds flat, and fee-free.

IC6A Oct 12, 2009 8:36 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 6004937)
As requested, below is a table showing "L" class FFP earning rates by airline flown/FFP.


Booking Class L - Redeemable miles/km per mile/km flown
[CODE]
FFP> AA* AY BA CX EI IB LA QF
*Pts *Pts
FLY
V

AA* 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 0.5
AY** 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1
BA* 0.25 0.5 0.25 0.5 Y Y 0.25 0.25
CX 0 1 0.25 1 Y N 1 0.5
EI 0 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1
IB 0.3 1 0.25 0 Y Y 0.3 1
LA 1 1 0.25 1 Y Y 1 1
QF 0.5 1 0.25 0.5 Y Y 0.7 1

looks like that CX member no longer earn Club miles on AY L class. The class for Club mile is reduced to:

Y/B/H/K/M/P/T

And for CX member on L class:

AA 100% Club Miles
LA 100% Club Miles
MA 100% Club miles
IB 50% Club Miles
JL INT 50% DOM 0
QF 50% Club Miles
BA 50% Club Mile
AY 0
RJ 0

serfty Oct 12, 2009 10:41 pm

Note this recent change: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...l#post12196254

Code:


  FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
          NOTE -
          MAXIMUM TWO STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
          OF ORIGIN OF WHICH A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IS
          PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE COUNTRY OF
          ORIGIN .

I booked a LONE4 for this morning via the AA ATW desk.

I wanted AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL with stopovers at MEL and SYD.

I was informed that I could only have two stopovers in my continent of origin (which I knew) but this rule variance meant I could have one stopover "at the start of the trip" and the one stopover "at the end"; I could not have none "at the start" and two "at the end" or vv. (That was what how it was put to me).

It was no real issue in our case; I simply wanted to book most connections as stopovers so I simply booked AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL (i.e. a transit in SYD).

It is not an issue for such OZ flights if you start outside of SWP.

To avoid later fees and/or re-ticketing should I need to change routing resulting in a transfer (-x) becoming a stopover (-)

fraserm Oct 24, 2009 7:20 am

Hi everyone,

I posted this question in the main oneworld forum, but didn't receive much of an answer, so I'll try again in this thread.

I am planning an ex-CGK DONE3, which I will probably book through the AA RTW desk. I have been looking at the options, and it seems that I will probably need to pay in Indonesia. However, I was looking at the Explorer Fare Technical Rule Sheet, specifically rule 15, which says:
'When travel originates om a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale'.

Now this raises a question for me because, it would seem to suggest that I could purchase my ex-CGK DONE3 in Australia at the Indonesia rate converted to AUD at the bank selling rate. I say this because there is no similar fare (xONE3) sold in Australia.

Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts on my interpretation?

Thanks

Fraserm

3544quebec Oct 24, 2009 10:30 pm

That is the first time I have heard anyone suggest this,but by George I think you're right!

It then raises the possibility of buying an AONE3 in Australia for an ex-cheaper country price and then at some later point after travel has commenced reissuing it as an AONE6 for example saving a motza.

chrislondon2 Dec 20, 2009 8:56 am

Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?

Deltahater Dec 20, 2009 9:20 am


Originally Posted by chrislondon2 (Post 13023304)
Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?


I don't think there are any residency requirements for these tickets, so anybody can buy a ticket in any country and start there. I for one am thinking of buying a DONE5 starting in South Africa or Jordan, while I am a US citizen

chrislondon2 Dec 20, 2009 10:46 am


Originally Posted by fraserm (Post 12701183)
Hi everyone,

I posted this question in the main oneworld forum, but didn't receive much of an answer, so I'll try again in this thread.

I am planning an ex-CGK DONE3, which I will probably book through the AA RTW desk. I have been looking at the options, and it seems that I will probably need to pay in Indonesia. However, I was looking at the Explorer Fare Technical Rule Sheet, specifically rule 15, which says:
'When travel originates om a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale'.

Now this raises a question for me because, it would seem to suggest that I could purchase my ex-CGK DONE3 in Australia at the Indonesia rate converted to AUD at the bank selling rate. I say this because there is no similar fare (xONE3) sold in Australia.

Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts on my interpretation?

Thanks

Fraserm


Originally Posted by 3544quebec (Post 12704205)
That is the first time I have heard anyone suggest this,but by George I think you're right!

It then raises the possibility of buying an AONE3 in Australia for an ex-cheaper country price and then at some later point after travel has commenced reissuing it as an AONE6 for example saving a motza.

I'm in SYD next week on a short side-trip from MNL on a DONE3. Unless anyone sees any problem in trying this, I'll certainly try for an AONE3 exTLV when I'm in SYD.

Full Score Dec 20, 2009 12:34 pm

A good Canadian agent
 

Originally Posted by chrislondon2 (Post 13023304)
....how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6?....

Try Elly Miller at Imperial Travel in Montreal: [email protected]. He has issued many RTWs for me starting in Canada, Doha, Mauritius and Cape Town. You can do it all via Email. The tickets will be charged in Can$, but you can use a non-Canadian credit card. It's worth the small fee; he's extremely diligent and responsive.

Dr. HFH Dec 20, 2009 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by chrislondon2 (Post 13023304)
Sorry to ask a question which may have been asked elsewhere ....... but how easy is it just to turn up at a travel agent or an airline ticket desk in, say, Montreal or Ottowa and buy an AONE6 on the spot for the Canadian$ equivalent of the locally published fare at the point of origin of the AONE6? If this is as simple as it seems to be for non-Canadians to do, then has anyone any recommendations as to a good agent or ticket desk where it can be done?

Not very. You need to book it, the itinerary needs to be validated and fared, etc. When you're doing that, tell whomever is doing the work for you that you want it set up for purchase at YYZ, etc., and it will be. But don't for a minute think that you're just going to walk up to the AA or BA counters in YYZ or wherever and book and buy your ticket. Not going to happen.

serfty Dec 20, 2009 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by chrislondon2 (Post 13023834)
I'm in SYD next week on a short side-trip from MNL on a DONE3. Unless anyone sees any problem in trying this, I'll certainly try for an AONE3 exTLV when I'm in SYD.

Note that as there are no published xONE3 fares ex Australia you it is possible you may be charged the xONE4 price (although reports on this vary).

If for example there was a published fare for AONE3 ex SYD, you would need to pay the higher converted price of ex SYD or ex TLV, even though you are starting in TLV. This would almost certainly be ex SYD.

Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's.

Here's the rule: (http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf)

15. SALES RESTRICTIONS
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.


startpacking Dec 21, 2009 9:27 pm

Canadian prices for rtw product
 

Originally Posted by serfty (Post 13026150)
Note that as there are no published xONE3 fares ex Australia you it is possible you may be charged the xONE4 price (although reports on this vary).

If for example there was a published fare for AONE3 ex SYD, you would need to pay the higher converted price of ex SYD or ex TLV, even though you are starting in TLV. This would almost certainly be ex SYD.

Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's.

Here's the rule: (http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr...rule_sheet.pdf)


Let me see if I am correct, regardless of which country my rtw ticket originates in I will have to pay the Canadian prices. :mad:
However if I have AA issue the ticket, this rule will not apply. Am I correct? Which currency will AA bill me, USD or CAD? Everytime I have purchased AA tickets (from AA) I have been billed in CAD.

Kiwi Flyer Dec 22, 2009 2:23 pm

No if bought from a Canadian travel agent or airline ticketing office you can get the lower rate applicable for the start of your ticket.

Buying in Canada normally means being billed in CAD.

startpacking Dec 22, 2009 2:29 pm

Thanks for the explanation Kiwi Flyer. There is so much information about rtw tickets sometimes, the amount of information can be overwhelming. This is all a learning process to me.

serfty Dec 22, 2009 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 13026150)
...

Canada has legislation that prevents this "Higher Converted Cost" rule being applied to fares puchased from Canadian TA's.

...


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 13037936)
No if bought from a Canadian travel agent or airline ticketing office you can get the lower rate applicable for the start of your ticket.

Buying in Canada normally means being billed in CAD.

Yes, it's Canadian legislation that allows sales for origins cheaper than Canada to be sold in Canada at the cheaper price.

That is why the higher price rule cannot be applied there.

plusorminus Mar 5, 2010 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by IC6A (Post 12607917)
looks like that CX member no longer earn Club miles on AY L class. The class for Club mile is reduced to:

Y/B/H/K/M/P/T

And for CX member on L class:

AA 100% Club Miles
LA 100% Club Miles
MA 100% Club miles
IB 50% Club Miles
JL INT 50% DOM 0
QF 50% Club Miles
BA 50% Club Mile
AY 0
RJ 0

Do any of these restrictions apply if you book a DONEx? I collect miles with CX in MPC and am trying to figure out if I will only earn 50% Club Miles flying BA or QF in D on RTW itinerary. Thanks.

christep Mar 5, 2010 7:29 pm

You get 125% Club Miles for D on any OW airline.

boar Mar 12, 2010 10:02 pm

It might be worth updating the upgrade section to include the other airlines not mentioned.

I have just completed 4 flights with Lan on a OWE as a Premium Silver and was able to upgrade 3 of the 4 flights.

GadgetFreak Mar 12, 2010 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13567121)
It might be worth updating the upgrade section to include the other airlines not mentioned.

I have just completed 4 flights with Lan on a OWE as a Premium Silver and was able to upgrade 3 of the 4 flights.

How did you upgrade? Thanks.

boar Mar 12, 2010 10:45 pm

Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.

You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance.

Mwenenzi Mar 12, 2010 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 13567183)
How did you upgrade? Thanks.


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13567263)
Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.

You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance.

Is not clear but it may be the LAN ffp

GadgetFreak Mar 12, 2010 11:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 13567183)
How did you upgrade? Thanks.


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13567263)
Premium Silvers (Sapphire) receive 6 upgrade coupons a year - flights within South America require 1 coupon, South America to North America/Europe/South Pacific more. Comodoros (Emerald) get unlimited upgrades. These upgrades can only be requested at checkin.

You can also use Lan Pass points/kilometers to upgrade. These upgrades can be processed in advance.

Is not clear but it may be the LAN ffp

Thanks. I thought they were talking about cross program upgrades within OneWorld. That got my attention ;)

boar Mar 13, 2010 8:23 am

Of course you have to join Lan Pass. I thought that was fairly obvious. My point was that this thread only covers upgrades with CX, Qantas, BA & AA. I think it is incomplete & should cover all the One World Airlines.

I would like to see a system of One World upgrades but for now one has to join the individual FFP's.

GadgetFreak Mar 13, 2010 8:59 am


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13568501)
Of course you have to join Lan Pass. I thought that was fairly obvious. My point was that this thread only covers upgrades with CX, Qantas, BA & AA. I think it is incomplete & should cover all the One World Airlines.

I would like to see a system of One World upgrades but for now one has to join the individual FFP's.

No, it wasnt completely obvious. In * alliance you can upgrade on other carriers, although it is complicated. I thought maybe something had changed in OneWorld since the post was in the OneWorld forum and therefore I didnt think it was a program specific thing.

boar Mar 13, 2010 9:41 am

It might be worth reading the personal info under a poster's name.
I did include Lan Premium Silver under mine.

This thread deals with the OWE. It is not comprehensive if it only covers certain airlines.

GadgetFreak Mar 13, 2010 9:48 am


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13568838)
It might be worth reading the personal info under a poster's name.
I did include Lan Premium Silver under mine.

This thread deals with the OWE. It is not comprehensive if it only covers certain airlines.

It might be worth posting in the right forum.

boar Mar 13, 2010 3:11 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 13568870)
It might be worth posting in the right forum.

I think there must a fair degree of misunderstanding on both sides. My apologies.

My original post was regarding the ability to upgrade Lan sectors on a One World Explorer ticket (L). This thread does have a section re the ability to upgrade individual sectors on CX, BA & AA. I was just confirming that it is also possible to upgrade individual sectors with Lan.

As a regular OWE buyer the ability to upgrade individual sectors is extremely important to me. As far I can see this is the correct thread to comment on this issue.

GadgetFreak Mar 14, 2010 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by boar (Post 13570249)
I think there must a fair degree of misunderstanding on both sides. My apologies.

My original post was regarding the ability to upgrade Lan sectors on a One World Explorer ticket (L). This thread does have a section re the ability to upgrade individual sectors on CX, BA & AA. I was just confirming that it is also possible to upgrade individual sectors with Lan.

As a regular OWE buyer the ability to upgrade individual sectors is extremely important to me. As far I can see this is the correct thread to comment on this issue.

Sorry, accept my apologies as well. Sorry for being so snippy, it was a misunderstanding.

Mafai Mar 31, 2010 7:44 am

Sounds like LAN has a good upgrade system? Better than CX, BA, AA?

ACN Consultant Apr 1, 2010 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 13038374)
Yes, it's Canadian legislation that allows sales for origins cheaper than Canada to be sold in Canada at the cheaper price.

That is why the higher price rule cannot be applied there.

Despite my reservations with the current government in office, every once in a while politicians pass a piece of legislation with real value to us Canadian citizens...wish I knew which one to thank for this legislation.

anabolism Apr 16, 2010 12:47 am


Originally Posted by eamus (Post 3024164)
Q: What are the continents on which the fare is calculated? Which countries are in which continent?
A: Forget all your geography lessons, and take a look at the map accessible by clicking this hyperlink and you should see the continents.
(Please see thread continued in next post.....)

That URL doesn't work any more. Is there an updated map?

boar May 9, 2010 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by Mafai (Post 13683015)
Sounds like LAN has a good upgrade system? Better than CX, BA, AA?

Apologies for the tardy response.

Lan's upgrade system works well for RTW/Circle Pacific tickets (Visit South America Passes?) where these tickets are booked in D class. The downside is these upgrades can only be confirmed at the gate. It's not so good for normal single/return tickets as the minimum upgradeable fares are far too high. It also worth well using Lan Kms to upgrade individual sectors as this is the only method of guaranteeing an upgrade before arriving at the airport.

plastikman Jun 16, 2010 10:00 am

Does anybody know why LHR-LAS BA direct flight is not coming up as an option when i try and book flights online or am I being thick again?

Kiwi Flyer Jun 16, 2010 12:08 pm

Are you using the plan option or plan and book option in the online tool? If the latter then there needs to be availability in the required booking class (L D or A).

plastikman Jun 16, 2010 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 14143394)
Are you using the plan option or plan and book option in the online tool? If the latter then there needs to be availability in the required booking class (L D or A).

I'm trying to use the online tool to book LONE4 - per BA.com availibility is showing in L (obviously) so this probably needs to be moved to the 'bugs' thread.

Kiwi Flyer Jun 17, 2010 1:41 pm

L on BA.com doesn't necessarily mean L is available for your RTW booking. There are various factors used by airlines to control inventory - point of sale restrictions (available for tickets bought in some countries but not in other countries), married segment logic (available on certain connecting itineraries but not origin & destination or vice versa), sub-limits (not available on certain fares), etc.

MarshalN Jul 3, 2010 9:07 pm

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this

I'm trying to book a DONE ticket for a July 22nd departure from BOS to LHR on BA. I'm booking this through a travel agent locally as I didn't feel like dealing with the hassle. As some of you have noted, the BA desk seems to be pretty slow, and they still haven't gotten back to my agent about pricing, etc, so I can actually pay for it. Should I..

1) Keep waiting?

2) call the desk myself?

3) Go with AA? (I'd rather not fly AA...)

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask.

henry999 Jul 9, 2010 9:06 am

xONEx buying extra sectors
 
Q: Can I buy more segments?
A: Yes, you can buy up to two more segments per continent, other than the continent of origin, at varying prices depending on the class in which you are booked. You cannot, however, have more than 20 segments in total.

Is this still correct?

cheers,

Henry

Kiwi Flyer Jul 9, 2010 2:40 pm

No it isn't, and the OP has been updated.


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