Only if routing is changed (including changing a transit to a stop over). May cost extra if the change is made before departing on the first flight.

And MH has KUL-LHR flights in the system from later this year (the date I looked at were in July).

Is it possible to get to Lord Howe Island on a oneworld explorer ticket? I don't seem to be able to find any availability. And if not can I buy it as an add-on from QF but still manage to get protected connections?

What class are you looking for? LDH is a tough redemption and they may not provide much availability in L or even D(if they even offer a business class) for paid tickets?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qanta...rd+howe+island
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qanta...g-syd-ldh.html

Cancel after departure
 

Hi guys, I'm on a LONE4 in the moment and have some questions.
If I want to cancel the trip before my last segment, how much would be refunded? How is the refund calculated? I read the Oneworld Explorer terms but I didn't find an appropriate answer.
Thanks

Welcome to the forum

Refund for not flying the last segment: nothing - zilch.
A LONE4 can be from 3 (e.g. SYD-LHR-LAX-SYD) up to 16 segments
They could ask you to pay point to point for each of the segments flown as you have not complied with the ticket conditions. But I have not seen any post on FT where that has been done.

D but to be honest I'd take anything if I can make the connections with the rest of my fare protected...

Need advice from those in the know. I need to travel from Europe (but can leave from N Africa if a lot cheaper) to GCC (Doha, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Bahrein), Australia (Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney), USA (NYC) and Europe (London, Stockholm, Helsinki, Berlin, Munich, Paris)...

I think a Oneworld RTW Explorer ticket is best given the destinations. Has anyone done a comparison where buying this in Business or (God forbid) Economy makes sense?

Responses appreciated. I will happily provide free advice on France - am recognized by Condé Nast and Travel and Leisure as specialist and can do a deal.

Merci, Thanks, Danke in advance for any concrete advice!!!

Humm, so I just tried to look at a random flight in Dec next year:

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...=0&queryType=D

shows plenty of availability in L- but at rtw.oneworld.com it claims there is no availability between sydney and lord howe on that date. Has anyone had any similar experiences? My understanding was that you could book it as long as there was L-class availability...

A friend of mine has gone to LDH on at least a couple of xONEx tickets; however he's bought all his RTWs through Mindpearl in CPT, not using the online tool. Maybe it's yet another glitch in the (snakebit) tool.

Expertflyer isn't showing any business class availability for random dates on that route; looks like you'll have to look for L (and for random dates I checked next december L was available).

LDH is operated with a DH8 so only economy. A D/AONEx will get an L seat if available.

Thanks for everyone's input. I tried booking a DONEx itinerary on that date using the rtw planner and it wouldn't give me availability- so its sounds like its a glitch at their end. Just to confirm - if there is 'L' availability then I ought to be able to make it work for me as an RTW ticket according to the rules of the ticket even if the planner won't display availability for me?

Thanks,

Paul

From the rules:

Oh, I thought because of Oneworld Explorer Fares (RWR2 RULE 3015), I had a chance to get something back:

"16 b 3) For partially used transportation the refund if any will be the difference between the fare paid and the fare for the transportation used less the fee specified in (1) (which is 10% for Economy) above."

My problem is, I really can't fly at the date of my last and 16th segment. I booked it for the last possible date with the plan to change the date. But now the carrier AB does not offer flights anymore on this route in the time I wanted to fly. There is an indiect option, but this would increase the number of segments to 17 - so it's not possible?

Another question I have is: If I change the routing from AAA-BBB-CCC to AAA-DDD-EEE, does it count as one transaction or as two (so 125 USD change fee or 250 USD change fee?

And is a change fee per person or per booking-number (we are two people on one booking)?

So many questions. Tried to get answers from AA, but they weren't very helpful. Hope you are. Thanks!

I think it would help if you told us the details of the flight

IF the airline flying a segment has discontinued flying it and if there is no other OW airline that flies it THEN you will 'be protected' and if that means you end up flying more than 16 segments that is OK (my LONE4 in 08/09 ended up at 17 segments because of the same issue). I suggest you contact either the carrier that issued your ticket, or the carrier of the problem segment to discuss it.

Changing AAA-BBB-CCC to AAA-DDD-EEE is one transaction, so you pay one USD125 fee. I believe that each passenger pays the fee.

As for the refund - in theory you get a refund, but only after they compute the cost of the series of 1-way flights you took, in booking class L for economy. You have 16 segments, so the recomputed fare will almost certainly come to more (probably far more) that you paid for the LONEx and therefore you will not get a refund

That's happened to me twice.
In 08, had NRT-MEL on QF booked. A few months after ticketing, QF canned the MEL flight and I was rerouted via SYD for a 17 sector trip.
In 09, had a single flight number (eg, one sector) DEN-(ORD)-BOS booked. AA canned it and was rebooked onto DEN-DFW-BOS for a 17th sector.

If it is an involuntary change, the airline can ignore whatever of their rules they want to get you to your ticketed destination.

Nope. xONEx fares are discounted special prices because of the type of ticket (round the world). My last DONE3 cost me about $8900. If I booked the same flights separately and not as part of a RTW ticket, it would have cost more then $30,000. If you cancel part way through, they will refare the part of the ticket used as separate flights (eg, change it from AAA-AAA and reprice it as AAA-CCC) and in almost every case, that will end up as more then what was paid for the RTW ticket.

Thanks foryour answers. Actually I have 17 segments because IPC-LIM was changed to IPC-SCL-LIM by LAN.

The problem that I have is: My last flight DUS-SSH (Dusseldorf to Sharm el Sheik in Egypt - I started in Cairo) with AB is scheduled for the 30th April in the moment. As I start working as a teacher in Germany, I really only can fly during summer vacation. So my plan was to change the last flight to a date between 8th of July and 8th of August. But now there are no more direct flights DUS-SSH between mid of June and beginning of October, so I'm not sure what to do.
I think the only two options are: 1) Noshow or 2) I could rebook to DUS-HRG what costs me 125 USD (pP ?)

What to you think?

Do you have a positioning flight booked to return from Egypt? Egypt is counted as part of the middle east. You can end anywhere in the middle east such as TLV or AUH.

Looking at the AB schedules in KVS, it appears that AB drops the DUS-SSH flight after 14 April
Your booking is for 30 April

I suggest:

• you phone AB and ask them how they are going to re-schedule you on 30 Apr (there is still a weekly flight via NUE)
• once that is settled, some time later you phone AB again to reschedule those flights to be during summer

ps Do you really want to go to Sharm el Sheik in summer!?:eek:

Thanks, that is really good news. I just checked the AB flightplan and you are right. It seems there is no more direct flight on Apr 30th so they have to rebook us for free.
This schedule change must be new, because I checked their flightplan every week.
Thanks for the help! i will do it like that.

ps Yeah I just want to go there to do a dive trip.

Not sure what you mean by "buying this in business or economy makes sense" -- in general it's cheaper to buy an xONEx than point-to-point, although there are often exceptions where some agencies can book point-to-point cheaper.

Right now, with the devaluation of the Egyptian pound, that may be the least expensive option for you, but I think it would limit your ability to stop off at places in the middle east. Fundamentally, you have a problem in that you want to stop at multiple places in Europe and the middle east, making it hard to start there. Can you get yourself to South Africa? That would be a way for you to travel in business to your places for a low cost.

My recollection is that when I've tried this I was asked to pay the extra "taxes" if it was a voluntary change, but not if it was involuntary (e.g., schedule change or carrier dropped service or changed days of operation).

Needed to reroute the last 2-3 segments of my itin, will this cause my confirmed segments (the earlier segments not yet flown and do not need to reroute) to be released and have to look for availability again?

No. Confirmed sectors that you aren't changing are just that, unchanged.

L class earning table
 

I have updated the new earning table on L class ticket of oneworld. I wonder if fellow FTs could help to correct any mistakes. The link is

For any North America people looking for positioning flights to JNB, AC has some great fares right now. Roundtrip in the USD $950 range. Routing is Origin-Canada-LHR on AC, then LHR-JNB on SA.

RTW taxes
 

I have booked the following DONE3 ex BOM :

BOM-KUL-HKG-JFK-SFO-DFW-PVR-DFW-SJO-MIA-LHR(x)-IST-LHR(x)-MAD-DME-HKG-BOM

Even though the first flight is on MH, the MH office in BOM was unable to book a RTW as they say dont have the pricing system yet. So I called Cathay in Mumbai. They booked the segments and gave me a price really quick in a couple of hours.

Fare : INR 385620
Taxes: INR 83175
Total : INR 468795

Do the taxes seem ok ? It comes to around $1500. Total is around $8845.

The taxes actually seem somewhat low to me. India has a special tax on premium tickets that has in the past ended up making an Indian start less economical than a start somewhere else.
You might want to review this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...out-india.html

Hey again,
I have still trouble with this last flight. I did what you suggested (actually AA had done it without giving them advice), so I have DUS-NUE-SSH on April 30th. But when I wanted to change the date to July, AA told me that there are no more flights to SSH after April 30th. AB had canceled all flights from NUE to SSH (and some more flights from Germany to Egypt), so I still (or again) have the problem what to do.
Do you have another idea? Is noshow a problem?

Cheers,
Daniel

I am in the early phase of planning a RTW and I wonder if there is a list with connections between continents? For me the most challenging continents are South America and Africa. For the others I can easily find plenty of connections. Here's what I found so far:

South America:
from/to EUR: some flights, mainly MAD/LHR
from/to SWP: SCL-AKL and SCL-SYD
from/to ASIA: no flights
from/to NA: some flight, mainly LAX/MIA
from/to AFR: no flights

Africa:
from/to EUR: JNB/CPT-LHR/MAD
from/to SWP: JNB-SYD
from/to ASIA: JNB-HKG
from/to SA: no flights
from/to NA: no flights

Please help me to complete the list or tell me where I can a complete one?

Thanks

Welcome to FT.

http://www.oneworld.com/flights/where-we-fly/

Click on the "Interactive Network Map"

Hope this helps.

Better still, you can use the excellent MileageMonkey tool

Just use the OWE Planner section to display the list of all oneworld flights between continents. For instance, to display flights between South America and Europe plug in ~sam and ~eur in the From: and To: fields and hit Go! There's further explanation on how this works that you can bring up using the "?" button.

There's a separate thread on the tool here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ml#post6954703

Thank you for your answer. I knew MileageMonkey, but I didn't know that it has this function already.

Help with booking my ONE itinerary...
 

Hello Flyertalk! Your input and comments on here have really helped me plan my own RTW itinerary. However, i still have a few questions and need your help!

1) Planning on flying to South Africa via London (One World Explorer via British Airways). Then to get to Brazil, it seems like I have to go back to London then onwards to Rio de Janeiro. Will there be issues with backtracking here?

2) If I arrive in London Stansted or Gatwick and then out from Heathrow, will that count as a surface segment?

3) Purchasing additional segments - The T&C says up to 2 additional segments can be purchased per continent. So this means in addition to the 16 segments, I can purchase 12 more (2 x 6 continent fare)?

4)Cost - someone had uploaded a spreadsheet online comparing the cost of ONE fares depending on country of departure. Based on that, I was planning on flying to NZ using a buddy pass and starting my trip there. The savings versus starting in Canada is significant. Can anyone confirm that there is a difference? One world website makes it seem like cost of fare is dependent only on fare class and number of continents.

Thank you so much for your help! I look forward booking my trip and contributing here with my own experience.

Sophia

I can help with some questions but others with far more knowledge and experience will come along with more detail.

You cannot backtrack from one region to another. There is, however, an exemption. See rule 2(e)(3) here. It would help if you provided some more information as to what continents (or oneworld regions) you're planning on visiting.

It will be called a surface segment but it will still be deducted from your maximum 16 segments maximum. Therefore, it's best to avoid 'cross-city' airports if you can.

No. The option to purchase additional segments only relates to the maximum segments per region. For example, you may have a maximum of six segments within North America; four within South West Pacific. So you could purchase, for example, an additional segment in North America such that you had a total of seven. However, you still cannot have anymore than 16 segments for the entire intinerary.

There certainly is a big difference between some countries. Here is a list compiled by a Flyertalk member, I believe. However, it may not be entirely up-to-date. If you're looking for a Economy fare, look under the heading LONEx; if Business, look for DONEx; if First, AONEx, where x is the number of continents you're visiting (either four, five or six).

Hi

I'm just about to book my first RTW that does't start in the UK - a LONE3 from HEL, with initial flight on AY.

Anything I should think about? Can I just book this automatically online on the Explorer tool on Oneworld.com, or do I need to phone up?

Current plan is HEL-HKG-SIN-NRT(via HKG)-ATL(via DFW)-POS(via MIA)-LHR(via MIA)-GYD-overland-AMM-HEL(via TXL)

Been fiddling around with it for days, trying to optimise for price (ie avoiding longhaul APD into UK, or BA YQ surcharges). Comes down to whether I really fancy a long & convoluted trip to GYD (Baku) via Moscow on AB & S7, or whether I'll pay the YQ and fly direct on BA. I'll get more Avios to partly offset the extra cost I guess.

Comes out at €2780, although I could knock it down to €2590 if I did the Moscow option. Or €2900 if I do a direct flight from POS-LGW on BA

I reckon I'm getting pretty good value on this, and some interesting places. (SIN & ATL are for work, the others are visiting friends / tourism). Thoughts welcome!

Question about pricing:

I always thought that there was some difficulty with pricing the cheaper xONEx tickets when one doesn't actually live in the starting country. I remember there's some talk how travel agents from Canada are exempted from this rule so we need to use a Canadian travel agent if we wanted to book an xONEx with the fare of the starting country (which is cheaper than the fare if started from one's residence).

Is this not the case anymore?

Related to t1nt1n's question: if one uses the online tool for an origination, does that solve the problem? For instance, it appears that Japan (surprisingly!) is a good place to start an RTW in Asia right now due to the devaluation of the yen. If I build the itinerary using the tool, and send it off for ticketing, will it automatically price and ticket in JPY at the JPY local price? Or will my billing address in another country trigger the repricing?

The Canadian exemption was recently removed (as of the re-issued fare rules on 1-Nov-2012)

So the remaining options for getting the lower, point of origin, fare are:
- use the online tool
- get the ticket issued by a travel agent/airline office in the country of origin

Unfortunately the online tool has many bugs and also disallows some itineraries that are in fact valid - but it can work for simple itineraries
Some have reported getting a simple itinerary ticketed using the tool and then later paying the USD125 change fee to get the ticket the way they wanted it in the first place.

For ticketing an ex-South Africa itinerary, some make use of the AA GSA there. Same for ex-Egypt.