KA in xONEx itinerary?
 

Hi all,

I have never booked or flown KA inside a xONEx ticket before.

I am in the middle of a DONE4 and would love to make some changes. One of those changes involves a KA flight (both metal and flt #). Is it allowed?

I was thinking of flying KA HKG-MLE, is MLE considered being within Asia by oneworld xONEx rules?

Thought I check here before I call up to make changes. Thanks.

Yes, KA is allowed, and, yes, MLE is in Asia.

Hkg mle is CX

Well done, thanks!

Apologies if this has been covered, but am I allowed to transit the country of origin (without stopover) when ending in that continent? For example, my DONE3 originated in NRT – am I allowed to finish with ...-LHR-xNRT-SIN-HKG-NRT?

no. cant transit in country of origin except maybe usa (forget the exact rule)

As said up-post. No, you can't transit NRT.
Looking at your ending itinerary, you can only have 1 stopover (either at SIN or at HKG, but no both). Note that you have 3 segments in Asia already.

Why only one stopover?

-LHR-xSIN-xHKG-NRT would be valid assuming no other stopovers in Asia at the beginning of the journey. (subject to maximum segment rules).

Need some help with minimizing taxes on a change to the itinerary I want to make. AA rate desk is not being very transparent.

My original DONE3 itinerary was: NRT-DFW-YVR-DFW-MBJ-DFW-JFK-LAX-DOH-MAD-LHR-HKG-NRT (italicized means no stopover)

The one I changed it to is: NRT-DFW-YVR-DFW-MBJ-DFW-JFK-LAX-DOH-MAD-DME-LHR-HEL-SIN-HKG-SIN-HND.

Rate desk came back with additional $334 in taxes/fees. I already figured out that I because I have no stopover in HEL, the APD luxury tax applies for the entire LHR-HEL-SIN distance, rather than just LHR-HEL. Of course, the RTW desk agent was clueless about this and kept claiming that the APD is a flat tax, regardless of the distance. Okay, I can make a stopover for a day in Helsinki, which should drop the APD by $180, so the remaining taxes are $154.

The other thing that the rate desk noted is "Russian taxes". Matrix ITA tells me that the taxes on DME-LHR segment are just $19. Am I missing something?

Also, the DFW-MBJ-DFW was originally $178 in taxes and after change to DFW-SEA-DFW should be just $46 saving me $132 to count against other taxes.

Anything else that stands out?

I think the rules dictates the 1 stopover (max) at the beginning & 1 on the return (also max). OP has 2 stop-overs.

-LHR-xSIN-xHKG-NRT is valid.

Rule 8 NOTE just says:
Nothing about 1 before leaving the continent and 1 when coming back.

As I recall, the rules did use to have such a restriction, but it was removed a few years ago. Now both stopovers can be in the same direction.

This is indeed correct. They have changed as posted.

My bad!
I was still living with the OLD rules. The new rules have eliminated the restriction. I like the new rule better, being able to exercise how to use my 2 stops.

There are two bands, which are loosely based on distance from the UK. Finland is in Band A (£26) whereas Singapore is in Band B (£156 before 1 April, £172 after 1 April).

According to my slightly ageing IATA handbook, there are three Russian taxes: a sales tax (RU), a security charge (UH), and a terminal use charge (RI).

Valid Routing ?
 

Hi

Quick question - do the rules permit LHR-JFK-LAX-DOH-HKG-SYD-PER-LHR

I think the answer is no but can't find anything that says no !! (The OW site says no)

Thanks

I don't think so, because you'd be backtracking across the Atlantic, re-entering Europe/Middle East after touching North America. There are some exceptions that allow you to re-enter a continent, such as hitting North America twice if once is to or from South America, or hitting Asia twice if once is for travel between Europe and Australia/Pacific.

Sorry - my error - I had assumed LAX-DOH flew westwards !!!

You can see the route at gcmap, but I suspect the route makes less difference than the re-entering a continent does.

You can also see the route on Google Maps that shows ocean names (but is less accurate as far as the actual flight path).

You have:

LHR- JFK- LAX- DOH- HKG- SYD- PER- LHR
TC2->TC1->TC1->TC2->TC3->TC3->TC3->TC2

https://assets.ctfassets.net/m9ph4qv...rer_1Sep18.pdfSo, no ...

Is there a good summary somewhere of the advantages/disadvantages of starting an itinerary in a particular region/subregion? For example, starting in Japan limits the amount of miles you can earn since you can't stopover in the country of origin (Japan is convenient for long segments within Asia). Or starting in Middle East may limit your stopovers due to routing rules, etc.

It's a little worse than that --- you can't even return, with or without a stopover, to the origin.

Sorry, I am confused. What does being unable to stopover in Japan have to do with how many miles you can fly/earn? What routing rules restrict stopovers when starting in Middle East?

Of course you can return to your country of origin, that's the normal way to end an RTW. You just can't continue once you do. Or perhaps this is what you meant?

For example, this post from [MENTION=183896]pbd456[/MENTION].

OK, but being limited to four segments within most continents, and 16 segments total, puts limits on how much you can fly. If you don't use all your Asia segments to maximum advantage, you can make up for it by using your North American and Australian/Pacific segments. I haven't done a comparison of how to purely maximize miles because I use my RTWs to visit fun places and have enjoyable flights, while maximizing mileage within those goals, but it seems intuitive that other continents offer potential lengthly routes.

Back for more after MPM DONE4 in 2017. I've been perusing this thread looking for the best rate for another DONE4. Is it still out of OSL? What is the price right now? Just trying to figure out if we need to sell both cars or just one ;)

ex-OSL DONE4: $6801.01
ex-TYO DONE4: $7001.75
ex-JNB DONE4: $7094.51 (DONE5: $8068.26)
ex-AMM DONE4: $7193.23
ex-TLV DONE4: $7200.00

So, not much difference in base fare between these starting points.

Ex-TUN DONE4: $6656.02
Ex-ALG DONE4: $6752.80

Is Algiers as dangerous as it was when I was young?

Fantastic- thank you! We will be in Norway in June and have no return, so this seems like the right thing to do. I'll put something together and check back in here for some input from the experts.

No idea, but could be done as a same-day turnaround from/to Spain (BCN and MAD.)

Would you do a same-day turn at KHI? Is it possible?

BTW, did we once cross paths on an MRU-JNB Comair flight connecting to BA to LHR back when MRU was the place to buy?

I've never been to Mozambique.

Mauritius.

Right, sorry. Haven't been there either.

ex-KHI/ISB $6116.25 (new BA LHR-ISB this june)
ex-CMB $6571.89

Careful with BA. They might come back and say the fare wasn't real. :rolleyes:

Hi all. Can you take a look at this DONE4 ex-Oslo and let me know if you see any issues? Also, can I still call the AA RTW line? From what I've read, it looks like I would have to call the airline of the originating flight.

OSL- xHEL-LAX-JFK-(DFW-LAX surface sector)-PVR-LAX-HKG-(DPS-SIN surface sector)-CMB-MLE-DOH-NBO-LHR-OSL

For the JFK-DFW piece, I'd like to get a little closer to Southern California. The JFK to DFW was the only direct I could find that falls within the rules. Tucson is closer but there are no direct flights from JFK.

For the Asia piece, we plan on flying home and back on miles before the CMB-MLE and onward. I'm assuming there are still no issues with doing this.

I'd appreciate any help I can get!

Happy travels.