Just an additional thought, which may be of interest to you [MENTION=778406]wyddfa[/MENTION]

QR flies DUB-DOH
and
CX flies HKG-DUB
CX commences flying HKG-DUB on 30-Mar-20
So Dublin would work as the start and end point of your RTW

The ex-Ireland RTW base fares are a little cheaper than the ex-UK fares
but the big saving would be the departure taxes for your first trip - to Baku

ex-DUB departure taxes are EUR13 (= ~GBP11)

ex-MAN departure taxes are
- in Economy GBP96
- in any other cabin GBP192

Brilliant idea. Hadn’t occurred to me tbh. Happy to support the Irish economy by catching the Holyhead ferry fri my home near Yr Wyddfa (or Snowdon in some foreign language:-) ) Thanks again.

Brilliant idea. Hadn’t occurred to me tbh. Happy to support the Irish economy by catching the Holyhead ferry fri my home near Yr Wyddfa (or Snowdon in some foreign language:-) ) Thanks again.

Thinking of doing an ex-OSL (seems to be the cheapest in Europe) DONE4 for my third RTW, but this time including Australia. Is PER-LHR doable these days without counting Asia? I was considering EU-NA-SA-AU for the continents.

No. I explicitly asked this question, on several calls to make sure. The rule just says any single flight number from Australia to Europe must count Asia. It doesn't matter whether the flight actually stops in Asia or not.

That's unfortunate. Looks like the only way for me to cover South America and Australia then is to do either EU-SoAm-Aus-Asia or EU-NoAm-Aus-Asia.

The options for you to get from South West Pacific to Europe/Middle East are:

• Fly direct - but you have to pay for Asia
• Travel via Asia - you still pay for Asia, but at least you can visit it :)
• Travel via Africa

What's the current rough price of a DONE4 ex-OSL? The Oneworld site is appallingly glitchy and I need a ballpark figure before deciding whether to bother a TA with this.

Base Fare of a DONE4 is ~NOK58,000 (about GBP5,000)
for comparison, the base fare ex-UK is GBP6,200

Re-write the WIKI?
 

Hi fellow FTers. I’m seeking input it whether it’s desirable to do a complete rewrite of the wiki to this thread. I’m particularly interested in hearing from both noobs who have recently been reading the wiki and also from experienced OWExplorer fliers.

I have some time on my hands over the next few months (the joys of being a retiree and full-time nomad who’s chillin’ in one of his favourite hang-out spots ZNZ ). So I’m proposing to do the work and am looking for suggestions on the desirability/content/structure/presentation of a new wiki.

My thoughts are:

• The target audience is newbies who are thinking of doing their first RTW, but possibly also a reference resource for others (so keep it simple, maybe with links to more detailed information)
• Need to get rid of outdated/incorrect information (for example: “Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle East segments may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: …”)
• Remove content which is not FAQ (for example the table of booking classes used by each airline)
• Jazz up the look and feel of the wiki. I’m thinking of something like the BAEC Dashboard (a shout-out to [MENTION=17682]Prospero[/MENTION] who created the dashboard and is being a great help to me in understanding what needs to be done to create one; and also providing resources for me ^)

So, what are people’s thoughts??

I think that would be an excellent service, long overdue. If you have the time, I say go for it, and thanks!

Agree. Archive this thread and start a new thread with posts from say 1 Jan 2019 or 1 Jan 2020. A lot has changed since this thread was started in 2004. Airlines have come and gone. And more changes to *ONE* when LATAM leaves OW.

Some of the other OW sticky threads could do with a rewrite/edit/update/consolidation. I had started to write more on this suggestion (in MSWord) for a PM-email to interested parties

ZNZ = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeid_...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar_Archipelago
How is your Swahili?

Thanks to you and [MENTION=10228]Gardyloo[/MENTION] for your feedback

I think a new thread would be smart. I'm thinking it will be more a User Guide than an FAQ - so a change of thread title as well?

One thing at a time:D. YGM

Mimi ninasema kiswahili kidogo sana:(
(I speak very little Swahili)

@pandaperth,
Excellent idea of rewriting the wiki. No better qualified person to do it than you. Thank you in advance.

Q. Is this routing allowed: South Africa > Europe > Asia > SWP > NA > South Africa via Europe connection.

Per rule sheet it appears not allowed to South Africa.

1. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
   
   If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
   

Q. Can I have East Africa as the final segment with the origin being JNB? Such as JNB-Europe-Asia-SWP-LAX-DOH-ADD. If yes, can I transit DOH twice? JNB-DOH-Europe-Asia-SWP-LAX-DOH-ADD

Thanks

Indeed, even if you end in East Africa, since you began in South Africa (and vice versa) you cannot transit Europe twice. You can start in one part of Africa and end in another without issue, but they will be stringent on connecting twice through Europe, since they'll say that you could take Cathay or Qantas from JNB/CPT...

I just booked a DONE4 originating in Colombo using the online tool. It surprised me by actually pricing the thing up and letting me confirm the reservation. Half the time it doesn't work.

Anyway, it then told me I need to call the the Malaysia Airlines office in the country where my first flight leaves from to arrange payment.I had hoped to avoid the palaver of having to do that. However, there's a more fundamental problem in that they don't actually have an office in Sri Lanka. Does anyone have any experience with how this works ? Could I just call Malaysian Airlines in the UK where I am at the moment ? Or in Malaysia ?

Hmm okay, so I tried setting the first flight to UL instead. This produced a fare which was about £400 cheaper. I assume it's airport taxes or something. Routing me via Melbourne instead of KL.

So I've gone with that and the system produced a number for me to call in Sri Lanka. So far so good.

Now it wants me to call the SriLankan Arilines Global Call Centre 94 77777 1979 to arrange payment. Has anyone done this before ? Do they email you a payment link or something ?

I'm planning a xONEx ex-Japan. My first flight would be leaving NRT and the last flight arriving to HND. The rule is the following:

Does this phantom surface segment HND-NRT need to be counted as one of my 16 segments? Thanks.

No.

I saw that ernestnywang replied No. Are you sure? IME in every other case I've come across, such segments have in fact counted: IAD-DCA, JFK-LGA, LHR-LGW...

Start to finish:-- no. Can start and end at different airports in the region
In the middle of a trip:-- yes

and I very nearly posted the same - but I re-read R2's post, and the question was about a surface segment between the starting point and the final destination; such surface segments do not count toward the 16 segment limit (and IMHO they should be called an open jaw not a surface segment)

As noted by others starting and ending an xonex at different airports in Japan is legal under the rules and does not require the use of one of your 16 segments.

Rule (e) states:

Does this mean that after several segments in North America, I can travel to South America and then have another stopover in NA before flying to Asia, for example?

At the moment, yes. For a while one of entries to NA had to be without stop-over. Before that, the situation was the same as at the present.

Which continents are possible to do with a DONE3 starting in Europe? I wanted to fly Europe-NA-SA-Europe, but then realized I can't backtrack from SA to Europe. So is it just Europe-NA-Asia?

Correct, just Europe/Middle East - North America - Asia

One of the rules is that you must visit each TrafficTariff Conference (TC) in turn with no backtracking
TC1 = North America and South America
TC2 = Europe/Middle East And Africa
TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific

ETA:
Should have thought of adding this earlier: - a snippet from the soon to be new wiki to this thread:

The ticket rules divide up the world into three “TrafficTariff Conferences” (TC) each having two continents; as follows:
TC1 = North and South America
TC2 = Europe/Middle East and Africa
TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific (SWP)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...cbfe52fc9b.png
Notes:
Europe/Middle East includes the countries of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan)
Russia is split between Europe/Middle East and Asia (the split is at the Ural Mountains),

Main Routing Rules:

• You must visit all three TrafficTariff Conferences – you will of course be starting in one of them, so you must visit the other two in order (travelling either eastbound or westbound), and complete your RTW journey by returning to your starting TC; generally you must return to your starting country (there are exceptions - see More Rule Details below for more information)
• Within a TC, you can visit either or both continents
• Within a continent you can travel about in any direction you like

...

My husband & I have already started a DONE4. We bought our tickets through JAL & started our trip from Tokyo. One of our flight coming up is with Cathay SEA-HKG-BKK. In anticipation of those flights potentially being cancelled or Thailand issuing restrictions for passengers transiting through Hong Kong, I want to change our flight to JAL SEA-NRT-BKK. Cathay has already cancelled our original flight but rebooked us a day earlier on another flight. There is not telling if this new flight will also eventually be cancelled as the situation does not look good for Cathay at this time.

Providing seats are available & open for RTW passengers, would I be able to transit through my departure city (NRT)? I know I would not be able to do a stopover but this would only be a 2hrs layover. Our options are very limited as we have to cross the Pacific because we crossed the Atlantic at the beginning of our trip. The only possible routes from SEA considering this, are through HKG or NRT. Going through London with BA is not an option as it would add a continent to our trip unless a layover in a separate continent would be authorized without counting it as a continent. In the event that either Cathay cancels the flight with no possible rebook or that Thailand issues restrictions (like other countries have done), would JAL be responsible to get us to BKK through a different route & flight or would we be on our own to resolve this issue?

Just trying to get expert advices before calling JAL as often the agents do not know the rules. I'm trying to be as prepared as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I would call the American Airlines RTW desk - (800) 247-3247 - and explain your problem to the agents there. AA might be able to take over the ticket from JAL, or at least can help you decide on alternatives. There are various possibilities that would let you get to BKK without transiting Japan (your starting country) or via Hong Kong - e.g. SEA-DFW-ICN-KUL-BKK using AA and Malaysian. If those extra segments would put you over the 16 flight limit, AA has the ability to rewrite the ticket waiving that restriction. They've done so in the past during periods of irregular operations, e.g. strikes, airlines going under (such as Malev Hungarian or Air Berlin) and the coronavirus might be a similar situation. I'd call them regardless.

Thank you Gardyloo, great advice! I will try 1 more time with JAL on Monday as we would really prefer that more direct route of SEA-NRT-BKK. If that fails, I will definitely call AA RTW desk.

Any OW airline can make changes to a xONEx. You do not need to continue to deal with the airline that issued the ticket. Indeed dealing with airline of the flight you want to change can be the way to go (I have done that)

Until an official wavier is in place you have to go the xONEx rules. With a wavier can be more latitude with flights if your route becomes impossible. But airlines can play hard ball

As above on another route to your next stop (BKK?) via NRT/HND/ICN/SIN/KUL/where ever.
If you have run out of USA segments may need to pay for a separate flight to the (new) departure airport.
Have you used all the Asian segments?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattl...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narita...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport

Please let us know what happens. You will not be the only people trying to change flights in Asia

Edit
JAL fly LAX-KIX-BKK. and HNL-KIX-BKK. I suspect a little know routes.
Can AA get you to HNL? From PHX-HNL? Or pay for a flight?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai...tional_Airport
Your full route would help getting more answers considering the 16 segment limitation

I haven't tried this recently, but it hasn't worked for the last couple of years. Maybe 6 years ago with a DONEx issued by AA I was able to simply change a LAN flight to the following day with a 2-minute call to LAN. A few years ago, however, LAN told me that now it had to be AA that made the change, and AA then said it had to "reissue" the ticket (all for a simple date change... not even a flight number change). This was especially annoying because the AA RTW desk kept US "banker's hours" and no other AA agent would touch the record. (AA has somewhat extended the hours of that desk, but still...)

Why simply rebooking a freely-changeable segment from a D class seat Wednesday to a D class seat Thursday on the same flight now requires a call to the originally ticketing carrier and a complete ticket reissue is not clear to me. It wasn't always that way.

Thank you Mwenenzi, those are all good advices! I don't mind re-positioning on our own dime to a different airport in the U.S. if necessary. I don't mind changing my date by a few days either.

To be honest, I'm not sure if we have used all our Asia or U.S. segments. Here are our segments NRT-DEL-DOH-SOA-land to EZE-SCL-LIM-MDE-MEX (this segment is via MIA as there were no direct flights)-SNA (this segment via DFW as no direct flights)-land to SEA-BKK (via HKG as no direct flights)-NRT. This is my first RTW ticket & although I did a lot of research last year before I booked the tickets, I'm pretty novice at this.

I definitely suspect many will want to change flights/routes in Asia. That's why I started this process last week in anticipation. I called JAL & at the time, they denied me saying although seats were available, they were not open to RTW passengers. They suggested I called them again in a week. Now that Cathay as officially cancelled many flights, it will get worse. Might get even worse if this continues. That's why I would rather change this in anticipation. JAL customer support in English is only open M-F. Cathay lines are totally jammed. Not sure if AA RTW desk is open on the weekend. I might give that a try.

I will definitely give updates as I move along in this process.

I already changed a date & flight # before starting my trip. It was a fairly simple process. It was a JAL flight & I called JAL. It was for my last segment SEA-NRT. There were no fees but I had to pay a small amount because the tax amount had changed since they had issued the original ticket (less than $10/ticket). Not sure if they "reissued" the ticket or simply made the change at the time. When I initially bought the tickets, I tried to go through the AA RTW desk. They were helpful but at the end, the tickets were a lot more expensive as they would not honor the price I was getting from the Oneworld RTW site for my itinerary. They said I had to call JAL (my first flight) to get that price. So that is what I did.

I will let you know how this all turns out. Thanks!

So, including the land segments and transits (15 segments)? ---> Great Circle Mapper
NRT-DEL-DOH-SOAGRU-EZE-SCL-LIM-MDE-MIA-MEX-DFW-SNA-SEA-HKG-BKK-NRT


North America & Asia---> http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MDE-MIA...T&MS=wls&DU=mi
MDE-MIA-MEX-DFW-SNA-SEA-HKG-BKK-NRT

A good value ticket :)
And before LATAM leaves OW

Edit
Alternative route (but not sure of OK, by the rules)-----> http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MDE-MIA...T&MS=wls&DU=mi
MDE-MIA-MEX-DFW-SNA-SEA-LAX-KIX-BKK-NRT
You need D class seat availability

Edit 2
SOA to GRU
SOA Sonora Municipal Airport, TX is wrong-----> São Paulo GRU

Yes! With all the great advices I got here & from Trip Advisor forum (Thank you Gardyloo!), I made the most of it. I also only paid a little under 8K for each ticket, all in Business Class, by starting in Tokyo. Very happy with the whole thing so far. Especially with the QSuites we had with Qatar Airways for the 15 hrs flight DOH-SOA. Really all our flights have been really comfortable & the service has been great with all the Airlines we used so far (JAL, Qatar & LATAM)

You have been given excellent advice here from the experts.
if I may add my experience with a BA issued ticket 2 years ago on an Aone5. I had a mle -hkg-sin- Mel segment that was made impossible by a schedule change by CX. After working with the BA gold desk and not finding a routing that did not add 3 more days to the trip I asked the agent for a routing not allowed by the rules the agent asked a supervisor. I requested a routing on qr male-doh-Mel and in a day or so it was approved, even though I backtracked through doh again in first class on a qr A380! On another rtw an aone6, I had a routing syd-doh-cai. Egypt banned flights from Doha so I was routed syd- doh-amm-cai. Three weeks before departure there was a schedule change making connections impossible so I asked an received a change with an illegal routing: syd-sin-lhr-cai. So many things are possible with a flight cancellation I’d you can get a supervisor to ok it. It would be possible. But the flight cancellation has to occur first.
i hope this helps.
Good luck!

I believe their trip began in Japan, so transiting Japan en route to BKK would be a no-no.