No, not likely (unless you did it frequently). But given that you have a year from first flight to last, another option would be to book it as an extended stop in LAX, with LAX-EZE many months out. Then you can use it the outbound of a different trip to EZE (or somewhere else), with miles or a cheap ticket back.

Thanks. Unfortunately my first leg (beginning of 2020) is going to be EZE-USA, so I don't think I can book a second stopover in LAX at the end of 2020. The system on a dummy booking seemed to be okay with it as a connection city though.

You are permitted two international arrivals and departures in North America, without regard to stopovers versus connections.

There used to be additional restrictions on this, but not in the current version of the rules.

There is a restriction for travel originating in the U.S., but that doesn't apply to your itinerary.

It's extremely unlikely; and I've never heard of any airline doing this on a RTW ticket. I'd put the chances at less than one in a million. However, it will be extremely costly if they do. They have the legal right to recalculate your fare as the sum of the fares for one way flights for everything you flew. All that said, I'm doing exactly this in a few weeks, -- not showing for the last leg of an AONE3.

Remember, one of the things you can do is to schedule that last leg really far out into the future. Who knows, -- maybe you'll have occasion to use it at some point before the ticket expires. You'll be able to change the date, time, airline and flight number of that last leg without charge any time before you fly it (assuming, of course, that the inventory is available). I'm not doing that this time because no changes are permitted on my ticket.

As I wrote, this is not likely. However, in the unlikely event an airline did go after someone for no-showing on the last leg, The appropriate penalty would be the no-show fee of $125. (Recalculating the fare as the sum of the fares for the flown segments is the process for a cancellation and refund of a partially flown itinerary.)

As I wrote, this would be my advice, especially if the poster could enjoy another trip to EZE or elsewhere.

Maybe. If your ticket still ends in the continent of origin, you have satisfied the rules for eligibility for the fare, and there should be no penalty. However, if your last flight is intercontinental, it's possible that you did not fulfill the fare's requirements, and, based on what you actually flew, may have been ineligible for the fare to start with. In that case, it seems to me that since you're not eligible for the xONEx fare, what's the alternative?

This is a refund after departure.
(Resolution 737)

No suggestion that the passenger can somehow be liable to pay for not using a flight coupon, i.e., that an open flight coupon could have a negative monetary value.

(It's also not clear to me that a sum of one way fares will always be a valid way of calculating a cost of an itinerary. Several carriers no longer allow their fares to be used end-on-end in an unrestricted way.)

But isn't that exactly what this says? Not that unused coupons have a negative flight value, but that you calculate what the fare would have been for the flight coupons used. Even looking at the cheapest possible fare, it's still going to be more than an xONEx fare.


I don't understand, -- would you explain a bit, please?

Yes, but the way I read it is 'refund wil be made, if any'. It does not say 'additional charge will be made', does it.

I also think this discussion is a bit academic as the are no reports here on FT (or elsewhere AFAIK) of anyone ever been charged by an airline for an unused xONEx segment. I myself have dropped the last flight many times and never had any issue with it.

Well, yes, but this from the OWE rules:"... difference between the fare paid and the fare for the transportation used ..." - seems to me that that is subject to two interpretations. If the fare for the transportation used is less than the fare paid, then the difference will be refunded (less any fees). If the fare for the transportation used exceeds the fare paid, then there would (could?) be a negative refund, -- an additional collection.

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat about being overly legalistic, two points:

1. Yes, it's a legalistic argument. But when we get into Ts & Cs, we're talking legalities anyway, so we need to consider them.
2. To my knowledge, no airline has ever tried to make an additional collection on one of these tickets.

If anyone has been in this situation where the fare used was less than the fare paid, I'd love to hear how it was handled. Was there a refund? Did you request it? Did you just no-show the remaining segments? Please let us know!

Just to confirm, the last leg has to be taken within 12 months of the date of departure from the origin, not from the date of ticketing, correct?

Yes. This means it could be up to 24 months from the date of ticketing.

The wording of the relevant rule is:
As a concrete example, for my last OWE ticket:

• 2016-late July: booked the ticket
• 2016-early August: paid and ticketed
• 2017-early June: took the first flight
• 2018-late May: took the last flight of the ticket

Should somebody update the wiki at the beginning of this thread? (I could help.) It lists airlines that don't exist anymore, doesn't list airlines that are now OW carriers, and contains a number of factual errors (i.e. it says if yours is a D ticket and there's no business class on a flight, you get downgraded to L, whereas in reality you get downgraded to B, which makes a difference). There are also a few obsolete links in the wiki.

You can do that @:-) ^
Anyone with 90 posts on FT can edit a wiki

Hi everyone, I'm sure this is answered in other places but I couldn't find it. My last OWE RTW trip was 2006-7 and at the time there was a website/chart that showed how much an Economy OWE would cost in various currencies. For example, I live in the US but might fly to, say, Egypt to purchase and start my ticket if it was significantly less. Does anyone know if that data still exists? Many thanks!

For xONEx pricing, EF (Expertflyer) is one of few places where you can find it.
OR, a painful way is to plug in your itinerary on the "oneworld" web site, follow it all the way to pricing.

As for the ex-CAI RTW, I am afraid that deal had gone long time ago. There had been several threads on that subject. When doing a search, I can find only this:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...ai-doh-qr.html

No. It used to be posted on the oneworld website, but was removed due to laws requiring displaying full price for air fare.

Think of where you want to go and then get the prices for those countries to shop prices.

Is HND still the cheapest place to start a DONE itinerary?

Check out OSL or Pakistan

Also Sri Lanka

Pakistan currently ~ USD $800 less than Sri Lanka for an IONE3.

when AT joins oneworld, do you think oneworld will file more OWE fare from african countries that are not currently served by oneworld?

Probably. I would expect them to be priced in USD where possible. I also don't think they will be particularly attractive. AFAIK there is limited competition on most international routes ex-Africa and oneworld must have learned their lesson from the numerous pricing 'events' in Africa in recent years.

is it a legal requirement to price in local currencies for many countries?

Currency of air fares is set by IATA, not the filing airline—it takes a while (months at least) before the currency can be changed.

Agree that ex-Africa is unlikely to be filled with bargains.

initially, maybe no bargain. but over time, opportunities will emerge which is how things have been playing out.

I agree. Initially, of course, the fares will be set to the proper levels. However, Africa has some volatile countries, so over time, bargains may start to emerge. Other than immediate crises, though, this will take years of gradual currency changes to really make a difference IMO.

I agree.

It looks OK but I would do ...LHR-MUC-LHR... and take a train from Munich to Innsbruck and back.

Is the INN-LHR segment part of your RTW ticket?

If Yes, then your ticket is not valid, because it consists of 17 segments; the ticket has a limit of 16 segments.
If No, then your RTW ticket is valid, because it consists of 16 segments:

But INV-LHR-xxx has no UK APD. A good reason to have part of the itinerary

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NRT-LHR...SU=kts&RS=best

Consider HND as well as NRT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport

Has anyone had any success in booking a RTW or Circle Pacific with the first leg on Cathay? I've called twice now, and I've only received an e-mail back with a price on the RTW fare, but the e-mail made it seem that the Circle Pacific fare doesn't exist, which is clearly shown on Cathay's website. The last agent I spoke to said I would receive a call back, but these tickets may take 1 hr + to book and I'd prefer to do it at my convenience. Also, I'm looking to book 5 people and the flight I want is A5 currently, so I'm hoping to make a connection with the proper team soon.

If you are talking about booking a oneworld explorer ticket, have you tried to book thru the AA RTW desk? The fact the first segment is on another airline does not foreclose AA from issuing the ticket and the AA RTW desk is usually a joy to work with.

What fare basis and base fare did Cathay quote you? If your routing complies with Circle Pacific rules, then it should qualify as xCIRxx rather than xONEx or xGLOBxx. You might reply back by email to confirm that it is priced as desired (e.g., using DCIR22). You could also call AA, but they will likely want one or more over the water flights booked as AA codes, which you might or might not be happy about.

For comparison, the base xCIRxx fares I see in EF for ex-HKG in USD are:

• LCIR22: $3002.43
• LCIR26: $3663.12
• LCIR29SA: $3904.18
• DCIR22: $5247.24
• DCIR26: $6401.53
• DCIR29SA: $6819.88
• ACIR22: $7492.05
• ACIR26: $9139.95
• ACIR29SA: $9739.41

The SA fares allow South America and flights with LA codes operated by SA. The xCIRxxSA rules say:

I tried the AA desk, and they could only book 330 days in advance. All the flights I'm looking at are available from other OW partners. One of the flights I want is A5, and I'm trying to book for 5 people so I'd like to get this done ASAP. The AA rep also said that they would need to look for "American space" on the first flight. I asked if she was referring to American codeshares, and she said "no, just American space." I'm not sure what that refers to.

I'm looking to make 2 bookings for 2 groups of passengers, 1 group on ACIR22 and 1 group on AONE3. I received an e-mail from CX that said my AIRC22 routing wasn't a valid RTW routing (obviously). I'm not sure they were aware of Circle Pacific. I received a call last night from CX but I was sleeping and missed it. It is a bit annoying I can't call at my own convenience. I imagine they will be especially hard to reach now with HKIA closed.