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Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
Feb 17, 2023 | 5:29 pm
#1141
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Ah, yes, on the 7-NA segments. I'll work on that. Thx.
Will the AA desk quote me the ex-CAI pricing?
I take it DFW-HNL isn't enough to qualify as one of the over-water segments? As a result of the itinerary, not sure where else I could fly AA intercontinentally.
Will the AA desk quote me the ex-CAI pricing?
I take it DFW-HNL isn't enough to qualify as one of the over-water segments? As a result of the itinerary, not sure where else I could fly AA intercontinentally.
Feb 17, 2023 | 6:14 pm
#1142
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AA codeshares on QR DOH-DFW so that might be an option. By overwater, what is usually meant is intercontinental but someone recently posted that AA issued an xonex recently w/o any of those segments:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34918618-post1088.html
Feb 17, 2023 | 11:28 pm
#1143
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I'm not sure why you think AA won't quote ex-Egypt fares. The restriction on starting country and selling country was removed from the rules sometime ago. Just ask them.
AA codeshares on QR DOH-DFW so that might be an option. By overwater, what is usually meant is intercontinental but someone recently posted that AA issued an xonex recently w/o any of those segments:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34918618-post1088.html
AA codeshares on QR DOH-DFW so that might be an option. By overwater, what is usually meant is intercontinental but someone recently posted that AA issued an xonex recently w/o any of those segments:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34918618-post1088.html
Cheers.
Feb 19, 2023 | 12:04 am
#1146
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B6 is not a member of Oneworld nor is it an affiliate.
From the rules:
https://assets.ctfassets.net/m9ph4qv...d-explorer.pdf
From the rules:
(j) Travel on any AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL codeshare service operated by AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL is permitted.
Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).
Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).
Feb 19, 2023 | 4:51 am
#1147
Join Date: Feb 2006
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OMG, the new tool! How did they manage to make it worse? Both methods on the oneworld site fail to recognize transit points and hard stop me by saying I have too many stopovers in my continent of origin (a couple Dohas), Is there a way to put in an itinerary? I'll grant pilot error could be a factor.
Feb 19, 2023 | 8:20 am
#1148
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
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I believe TAs can ticket on any airline that has the fare. Back when a number of people were buying xONEx tickets starting in origins for which most of the OW airlines had withdrawn their fares but a few hadn't yet, people were using TAs to get them ticketed on OW airlines that still had the fare, with the ticketing airline not being the first flight and maybe only having a small flight in the routing (I can't recall all the details).
Feb 21, 2023 | 5:39 am
#1149
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 46
Not necessarily... but one would need to end in the Middle East. From the OWE rules:
The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones:
o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia)
o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan)
<snip>
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones:
o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia)
o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan)
<snip>
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Sorry to butt in on someone else's query, but just wanted to clarify a question I have on the above (I'm still trying to learn all the various rules before possible DONE* starting in 2024).
So it looks like there are no issues to start in CAI and end in AMM according to the special Middle East rules mentioned above, but does that use up a segment as a surface segment? For example, is CAI-LHR-SCL-DFW-CUN-SEA-ANC-HNL-HND-SYD-NAN-SYD-AKL-KUL-DEL-DOH-AMM a valid routing? That's 16 segments, but maybe I need an extra one because of start/end being different?
Thanks!
Feb 21, 2023 | 6:38 am
#1150
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: DCA, EGE, IAD
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So it looks like there are no issues to start in CAI and end in AMM according to the special Middle East rules mentioned above, but does that use up a segment as a surface segment? For example, is CAI-LHR-SCL-DFW-CUN-SEA-ANC-HNL-HND-SYD-NAN-SYD-AKL-KUL-DEL-DOH-AMM a valid routing? That's 16 segments, but maybe I need an extra one because of start/end being different?
Feb 21, 2023 | 7:00 am
#1151
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 46
TTBOMK your 16 segment intinerary is fine as I'm pretty sure the implied surface segment at the end of your trip is not counted as one of your 16 flight segments. That's my understanding as I have no actual experience as my AMM AONE4 was 16 segments and ended in AMM and my CAI DONE3 was only 7 segments and ended in DOH.
Originally my plan was to not book this until later in the year (maybe Oct/Nov), for a start in mid/late March 2024. But given that the ex Cairo pricing is so reasonable now, I might reconsider and just book it in April. That's if the pricing sticks like this - I know it can change pretty quickly. I'll have to maybe get myself an Expert Flyer subscription and learn how to use it!
Thanks again.
Feb 21, 2023 | 8:28 am
#1152
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 632
Thanks for the feedback. That's how I would have read it too, as otherwise it's taking away any real benefit of being able to start/end in different countries within Middle East, if it's going to eat up a segment anyway.
Originally my plan was to not book this until later in the year (maybe Oct/Nov), for a start in mid/late March 2024. But given that the ex Cairo pricing is so reasonable now, I might reconsider and just book it in April. That's if the pricing sticks like this - I know it can change pretty quickly. I'll have to maybe get myself an Expert Flyer subscription and learn how to use it!
Thanks again.
Originally my plan was to not book this until later in the year (maybe Oct/Nov), for a start in mid/late March 2024. But given that the ex Cairo pricing is so reasonable now, I might reconsider and just book it in April. That's if the pricing sticks like this - I know it can change pretty quickly. I'll have to maybe get myself an Expert Flyer subscription and learn how to use it!
Thanks again.
Feb 21, 2023 | 11:08 am
#1153
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA GGL
Posts: 694
I'm considering a AONE3 ticket starting in Tokyo. I've booked quite a few of these in previous years (pre-Covid) through the Cathay Pacific Tokyo office with no issues. However, upon contacting them this time, they rather unhelpfully told me to try using the Oneworld website first (although they offered to assist if "any error message or problem"). Assuming I can find the routing I want on the explorer tool, my main concern would be future changes to dates (definitely will happen) and/or routing.(possibly). Has anyone used the online booking tool in the past and been able to receive assistance from an airline (whether Cathay or another) at a later date please? Any other advice appreciated. Many thanks.
Feb 21, 2023 | 11:45 am
#1154
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Feb 21, 2023 | 12:34 pm
#1155
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Hi.
Sorry to butt in on someone else's query, but just wanted to clarify a question I have on the above (I'm still trying to learn all the various rules before possible DONE* starting in 2024).
So it looks like there are no issues to start in CAI and end in AMM according to the special Middle East rules mentioned above, but does that use up a segment as a surface segment? For example, is CAI-LHR-SCL-DFW-CUN-SEA-ANC-HNL-HND-SYD-NAN-SYD-AKL-KUL-DEL-DOH-AMM a valid routing? That's 16 segments, but maybe I need an extra one because of start/end being different?
Thanks!
Sorry to butt in on someone else's query, but just wanted to clarify a question I have on the above (I'm still trying to learn all the various rules before possible DONE* starting in 2024).
So it looks like there are no issues to start in CAI and end in AMM according to the special Middle East rules mentioned above, but does that use up a segment as a surface segment? For example, is CAI-LHR-SCL-DFW-CUN-SEA-ANC-HNL-HND-SYD-NAN-SYD-AKL-KUL-DEL-DOH-AMM a valid routing? That's 16 segments, but maybe I need an extra one because of start/end being different?
Thanks!