Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
#1066




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,124
I have just had the pricing back on a DONE3 starting from Budapest, quoted in USD because the AA agent said that it had to be quoted in the intended credit card's issuing country's currency.
The quote was $5,453 for each of two adults, $4,090 for a child for the base, but the additional charges are more than I expected. All of the various country charges were expected, having read to expect 10-15%, but what is the large "CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES"? Multiply it by three passengers and it's a very large unexpected amount.
Any chance I might get a different amount if I called a different Oneworld airline?
The quote was $5,453 for each of two adults, $4,090 for a child for the base, but the additional charges are more than I expected. All of the various country charges were expected, having read to expect 10-15%, but what is the large "CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES"? Multiply it by three passengers and it's a very large unexpected amount.
Any chance I might get a different amount if I called a different Oneworld airline?
For normal itineraries, the fuel surcharges can usually be found in the fare rules. For example, the fare rules for a discount business class fare between the U.S. and Europe might include text such as "Charge $750 for each transatlantic segment." I don't know how RTW pricing systems determine the amount of these surcharges, but I do know from experience that BA flights are some of the worst, and over-the-water AA flights can be not far behind. I purchased an ex-ARN DONE5 just before the pandemic and was shocked at how low the taxes and fees were. I substituted QR and DOH for BA/AA and LHR and saved a lot.
#1068


Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: Sometimes BA, sometimes AA
Posts: 663
Depends what you define long-haul as, I guess, but the transoceanic are NRT-BOS on JL and BOS-MAD on IB.
Whole itinerary below. I was already trying to avoid LHR as much as possible and can skip it completely if that's what makes the difference.
BUD-DOH-CMB-BKK-HKG-NRT-BOS-ORD-YVR-ORD-BOS-MAD-TLV,AMM-LHR-BUD
(ORD both quick transit, DOH and LHR under 24h transit, TLV-AMM surface)
Whole itinerary below. I was already trying to avoid LHR as much as possible and can skip it completely if that's what makes the difference.
BUD-DOH-CMB-BKK-HKG-NRT-BOS-ORD-YVR-ORD-BOS-MAD-TLV,AMM-LHR-BUD
(ORD both quick transit, DOH and LHR under 24h transit, TLV-AMM surface)
#1069
FlyerTalk Evangelist


Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 22,911
From potfish map http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=BUD-DOH-C...X=720x360&PM=*
Longest NRT-BOS & BOS-MAD
My understanding AA does not charge carrier surcharges on AA operated flights. But will on AA marketed BA operated.
UK has the APD for flights from most airports. But not on transits.
Longest NRT-BOS & BOS-MAD
My understanding AA does not charge carrier surcharges on AA operated flights. But will on AA marketed BA operated.
UK has the APD for flights from most airports. But not on transits.
#1071


Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: Sometimes BA, sometimes AA
Posts: 663
It's mostly the BOS-MAD flight $850. From https://matrix.itasoftware.com
The NRT-BOS flight is around $355.
Add those together and you get more than the total, which is a bit confusing, but I think it's clear we need to decide how much we want to stop in Madrid...
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
BOS IB MAD Q14.00 M 2050.00INWTC4S3 NUC 2064.00 END ROE 1.00 XT 21.10US 5.60AY 850.00YQ 4.50XF BOS4.50
BOS IB MAD Q14.00 M 2050.00INWTC4S3 NUC 2064.00 END ROE 1.00 XT 21.10US 5.60AY 850.00YQ 4.50XF BOS4.50
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
TYO AA BOS M 4945.67CNX70ZN2 NUC 4945.67 END ROE 136.078400 XT 530OI 2130SW 1000TK 860YC 920XY 500XA 2760US 47000YR
TYO AA BOS M 4945.67CNX70ZN2 NUC 4945.67 END ROE 136.078400 XT 530OI 2130SW 1000TK 860YC 920XY 500XA 2760US 47000YR
Last edited by potfish; Jan 4, 2023 at 3:48 pm
#1072




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,124
the transoceanic are NRT-BOS on JL and BOS-MAD on IB.
Whole itinerary below. I was already trying to avoid LHR as much as possible and can skip it completely if that's what makes the difference.
BUD-DOH-CMB-BKK-HKG-NRT-BOS-ORD-YVR-ORD-BOS-MAD-TLV,AMM-LHR-BUD
(ORD both quick transit, DOH and LHR under 24h transit, TLV-AMM surface)
Whole itinerary below. I was already trying to avoid LHR as much as possible and can skip it completely if that's what makes the difference.
BUD-DOH-CMB-BKK-HKG-NRT-BOS-ORD-YVR-ORD-BOS-MAD-TLV,AMM-LHR-BUD
(ORD both quick transit, DOH and LHR under 24h transit, TLV-AMM surface)
Indeed, I always try to connect in LHR for under 24 hours.
#1073




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,124
It's mostly the BOS-MAD flight $850. From https://matrix.itasoftware.com
The NRT-BOS flight is around $355.
Add those together and you get more than the total, which is a bit confusing, but I think it's clear we need to decide how much we want to stop in Madrid...
The NRT-BOS flight is around $355.
Add those together and you get more than the total, which is a bit confusing, but I think it's clear we need to decide how much we want to stop in Madrid...
#1076
FlyerTalk Evangelist


Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 22,911
It's mostly the BOS-MAD flight $850. From https://matrix.itasoftware.com
The NRT-BOS flight is around $355.
Add those together and you get more than the total, which is a bit confusing, but I think it's clear we need to decide how much we want to stop in Madrid...
The NRT-BOS flight is around $355.
Add those together and you get more than the total, which is a bit confusing, but I think it's clear we need to decide how much we want to stop in Madrid...
Agree with looking for codeshares on those flights. Airport arrivals/departures often list code-shares. As does FR24, flightaware and similar web sites. As a guess AA get more $ when more AA marketed flights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutra...f_construction
https://www.iata.org/en/services/finance/xrates/
Good luck
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Jan 4, 2023 at 8:04 pm
#1077




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,124
To my understanding, yes, except in the case of JBVs where some flights are in a revenue sharing agreement, such as AA and BA transatlantic.
#1078


Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: Sometimes BA, sometimes AA
Posts: 663
I don't know how I can try the codeshares, unless you mean calling AA and asking them to try them? The agent said when I was booking that they only book the "prime" flight numbers (their word).
#1079




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,124
(Prime is the term for a flight that's operated and marketed by the same airline, that is, not a codeshare.)
#1080




Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 278
Other than that wrinkle, by the way, I found the AA RTW desk to be super professional, helpful, with a decent sense of humour too, and willing to work through all the details until the journey is right. Far from the usual call centre experience one gets with airlines these days (if indeed your favourite airline still answers the phone *at all*).



