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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by thois
Sorry if this has been mentioned here before.

AA PLT desk confirmed that the system is not tracking bookings, only ticket numbers. Neither there is no special handling for RTW tickets.

They also confirmed, that if one make change that gets the ticket reissued, the counter would start counting again from zero because having different e-ticket number. So, it's at least really possible to dodge the 75K RDM limit by getting ticket re-issued by making changes on the way, before the cap would apply.
Interesting, and thanks for letting us know

One thing though - typically an xONEx has more than one e-ticket number. Believe it or not, the 'modern' electronic ticket system still reflects the old paper tickets: a ticket has four coupons, each representing a segment. If your itinerary has 16 segments (and all of ours do right?) then you will have four e-tickets in your itinerary.
My just issued by QF DONE5 has four e-tickets, numbered sequentially.

So if is truly at the e-ticket level, then we should have no problem with the 75,000 mile limit
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Back to MPM issues for a minute. (I'm starting to get confused as to which thread for which issues!!)

Just got off the phone with a very nice gentleman at AA RTW desk, let's call him Mr. T. First, I note that he couldn't have been nicer.

He said that "American is not issuing" any tickets which touch Africa and have segments between Europe and Middle East in the itinerary. We reviewed the rules together; and he saw my point. Put me on hold and checked with the "tariff" desk. He agrees that it is ambiguous, but said that this is the position that AA is taking. Very apologetic. He said that there have been discussions about changing the wording in this section of the rules; and he hopes that it occurs this week since they are receiving a lot of calls on this.

Gave me the number for BA RTW desk; but they are a Monday-Friday operation.

So back to the drawing board on the itinerary, I guess.
Are they willing to issue tickets that do NOT backtrack to Europe/Middle East yet have segments between Europe and Middle east? These should not be a problem.

Why did they give you the BA RTW number? Was it so that you go and try your luck with them? Or was it because they are considered the "definitive source" when it comes to interpreting the rules (the pdf version on the Oneworld web site is authored by BA). I had a battle with BA last year (which I won) regarding their interpretation of the old backtracking rule - see post #91 in http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...cpt-done5.html
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Are they willing to issue tickets that do NOT backtrack to Europe/Middle East yet have segments between Europe and Middle east? These should not be a problem.

Why did they give you the BA RTW number? Was it so that you go and try your luck with them? Or was it because they are considered the "definitive source" when it comes to interpreting the rules (the pdf version on the Oneworld web site is authored by BA). I had a battle with BA last year (which I won) regarding their interpretation of the old backtracking rule - see post #91 in http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...cpt-done5.html
They seem to be telling people to try another airline if you don't agree with how AA is interpreting the rules(as in maybe you will have better luck with somebody else but we aren't going to read it that way). They did the same with me and a couple of other people have reported something similar.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Are they willing to issue tickets that do NOT backtrack to Europe/Middle East yet have segments between Europe and Middle east? These should not be a problem.
What he said after speaking to the tariff desk while I was on hold was that AA "is taking the position" that it is not issuing tickets for itins which include segments between Europe and Middle East if they touch Africa. He acknowledged that that may change once the clarification is issued.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 1:21 pm
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Update:

I just got off the phone with AA RTW office. After I told the lady where I would be departing from she laughed and said that she had been booking a lot of these tickets this week.

I had all of my flights, departing date and the continuing (fake) dates ready and the entire process took about 15 minutes.

She gave me a confirmation number and said she is sending it to the rate desk for the taxes and carrier charges. The base rate I was quoted was $2,389. The next step is that I call back tomorrow to find out the total and they will hold the reservation for me until Friday 8/5.

Here is my DONE4:
MPM- xDOH-SIN-(SIN- DPS surface sector)DPS-HKG-MNL-SAN-YYC-SAN (SAN-LAX surface sector)- LAX-LHR-BUD-LHR-JNB

When I confirmed with her that I could change the dates, she made the comment that it would be tricky because this is a discounted fare and therefor there would be less availability. Has anyone had experience with date changes? I am assuming that you book it as soon as the calendar opens up...or at least as soon as you can.

This was really easy. So, either they are going to come back with reasons why it can't be done OR all of the help an input I got from you all made it work.

I'll keep you posted! Thanks all! And a big thanks to pandaperth!
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by SDandi
Update:

I just got off the phone with AA RTW office. After I told the lady where I would be departing from she laughed and said that she had been booking a lot of these tickets this week.

I had all of my flights, departing date and the continuing (fake) dates ready and the entire process took about 15 minutes.

She gave me a confirmation number and said she is sending it to the rate desk for the taxes and carrier charges. The base rate I was quoted was $2,389. The next step is that I call back tomorrow to find out the total and they will hold the reservation for me until Friday 8/5.

Here is my DONE4:
MPM- xDOH-SIN-(SIN- DPS surface sector)DPS-HKG-MNL-SAN-YYC-SAN (SAN-LAX surface sector)- LAX-LHR-BUD-LHR-JNB

When I confirmed with her that I could change the dates, she made the comment that it would be tricky because this is a discounted fare and therefor there would be less availability. Has anyone had experience with date changes? I am assuming that you book it as soon as the calendar opens up...or at least as soon as you can.

This was really easy. So, either they are going to come back with reasons why it can't be done OR all of the help an input I got from you all made it work.

I'll keep you posted! Thanks all! And a big thanks to pandaperth!
Congratulations!
(was the AAgent called Rebecca by any chance? She dealt with my DONE6 as was a real pleasure to interact with)

I have never had a problem changing dates on a business class RTW; if you were trying to change today for a flight tomorrow then maybe, but a reasonable time into the future should be no problem.

Edited to add:
You can check the status of your booking on-line. You will see when it has been priced and so can then pay.
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Congratulations!
(was the AAgent called Rebecca by any chance? She dealt with my DONE6 as was a real pleasure to interact with)
Thank you! I believe her name was Kathy. She was nice and very efficient!

I have never had a problem changing dates on a business class RTW; if you were trying to change today for a flight tomorrow then maybe, but a reasonable time into the future should be no problem.

Edited to add:
You can check the status of your booking on-line. You will see when it has been priced and so can then pay.
Both good to know! Thank you!
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by SDandi
Update:

I just got off the phone with AA RTW office. After I told the lady where I would be departing from she laughed and said that she had been booking a lot of these tickets this week.

I had all of my flights, departing date and the continuing (fake) dates ready and the entire process took about 15 minutes.

She gave me a confirmation number and said she is sending it to the rate desk for the taxes and carrier charges. The base rate I was quoted was $2,389. The next step is that I call back tomorrow to find out the total and they will hold the reservation for me until Friday 8/5.

Here is my DONE4:
MPM- xDOH-SIN-(SIN- DPS surface sector)DPS-HKG-MNL-SAN-YYC-SAN (SAN-LAX surface sector)- LAX-LHR-BUD-LHR-JNB

When I confirmed with her that I could change the dates, she made the comment that it would be tricky because this is a discounted fare and therefor there would be less availability. Has anyone had experience with date changes? I am assuming that you book it as soon as the calendar opens up...or at least as soon as you can.

This was really easy. So, either they are going to come back with reasons why it can't be done OR all of the help an input I got from you all made it work.

I'll keep you posted! Thanks all! And a big thanks to pandaperth!
You were able to backtrack and include South Africa?
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by skunker
You were able to backtrack and include South Africa?
It seemed to be okay. The AA person didn't question it. Hopefully no one else does. I thought that it wasn't backtracking because I returned to Africa via LHR as opposed to DOH.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Originally Posted by pbd456
the circle fare is interesting too. but it is not ideal in term of mileage running.

basically, my done are mostly for mileage running as i have been to pretty much anywhere one world major cities..
How do you plan on handling the 75K RDM limit per ticket, or are you doing the mileage run for another OW/partner FF program?

FWIW, while I used to really work to maximize my mileage earning, not so much anymore. I do my trips for travel purposes, including a couple short DFW-EGE-LAX flights, not to mention SYD-MEL. Even doing that I still way over the 75K RDM/ticket threshold so am splitting earning between BAEC and AAdvantage. I'll earn a lot more with BAEC on AA coded RTW flights than with AA and need the BA flights to qualify for BAEC Gold.
I believe that you have to book it initially using your AAdvantage number if you want to benefit from eVIPs or sticker upgrades. I'm going to be doing the same thing as you. Will book it initially with AAdvantage then change at least the QR flights to QRPC at the gates before I board.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, but I'm on an AONE4 so no need for upgrades, nor am I flying any international AA metal where I might use them even if I were on a DONEn.

I know through CX web site I can change my FF number for all segments online, which I just did for my current AONE3 ex-NRT that was purchased from CX. I think I can do the same thing on AA's web site. I have no need to use different FF numbers for connecting flights or other reason to change my FF number at the last minute, so hopefully for my next RTW ticket, an AA issued AONE4 ex-MPM, this will be easily done on aa.com; or if not, then make a quick call to AA RTW desk to do so.

Start with AA FF #
Fly MPM-DOH-xORD
Change to BAEC FF #
ORD-DFW-XEGE-LAX-xJFK
Change to AA FF #
JFK-HKG-XHKT-HKG-xLHR//ARN-HEL-xPRG
Change to BAEC FF #
PRG-LHR-CPT

As far as the discussion and supposition on ticket numbers and AA 75K max, I'll let others be the guinea pigs on that one and will be very grateful for the info from their experiences. Until then I'll check out BAEC Gold.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by SDandi
It seemed to be okay. The AA person didn't question it. Hopefully no one else does. I thought that it wasn't backtracking because I returned to Africa via LHR as opposed to DOH.
Correct, or more importantly according to AA you have no flights between Europe and the Middle East.
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I just set up an AONE4 with the AA rtw desk with the following for next June (ticket sent to the rate desk for pricing tomorrow):

MPM-DOH-CDG-LHR-LAX-JFK-HKG-HND-HKG-JNB

They were initially concerned about the DOH-CDG-LHR-NA but finally decided that was ok as long as I was not trying to fly back to the ME before proceeding on to NA. They would not allow MPM-DOH-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA. I know I have segments available but this was just a placeholder and I will do a change later.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
They would not allow MPM-DOH-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA. I know I have segments available but this was just a placeholder and I will do a change later.
You won't be able to change your itinerary to include three flights between UK and Middle East, DOH-LHR-DXB-LHR, as this is not allowed on any RTW ticket due to the condition below from section 4 (h):

Europe Middle East 4*
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Africa.
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Originally Posted by aaupgrade
You won't be able to change your itinerary to include three flights between UK and Middle East, DOH-LHR-DXB-LHR, as this is not allowed on any RTW ticket due to the condition below from section 4 (h):



This has absolutely nothing to do with Africa.
Darn typos. Meant to type DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA as DOH-CDG-LHR is the routing I currently have.
I am aware of the rule which is why I was routing thru CDG. I have exactly 0 segments right now between the UK and the ME. I have 1 segment between France and the ME. With the DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA added to my existing routing I would have 2 segments between the UK and ME. That rule was not their concern -- it was segments between EUR and ME with Africa on the ticket.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
Darn typos. Meant to type DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA as DOH-CDG-LHR is the routing I currently have.
I am aware of the rule which is why I was routing thru CDG. I have exactly 0 segments right now between the UK and the ME. I have 1 segment between France and the ME. With the DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-NA added to my existing routing I would have 2 segments between the UK and ME. That rule was not their concern -- it was segments between EUR and ME with Africa on the ticket.
No worries, I've done my share of typos, some very recently.
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