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Old Aug 27, 2024 | 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by chan1108
Your existing Asia segments is already exceed the limit since the airport changing in a same city(nrt-hnd & gmp-icn) will count as one segment. If not flying with ex-CAI ticket, these segments just fit with the one world rules which means you cannot add any Asia segments unless you change them to a same airport in a same city.
Qantas made up rules aside, the OP's Asia segments do not exceed Asia's maximum of 4. Per the oneworld rules 4 (h) shown below (bolding of "flight" is from oneworld Explorer rules) and per my personal experience, surface sectors DO count against one's total 16 segments but do NOT count against each continent's maximum free number of flight segments within each continent.

"A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows:"

So in the case of the Asia flight segments shown by the OP, on a non-CAI ticket one could add one more segment assuming there wasn't another Asia segments prior to KUL-NRT 11SEP and the 16 total segments limit isn't exceeded.
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Old Aug 27, 2024 | 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by aaupgrade
Qantas made up rules aside, the OP's Asia segments do not exceed Asia's maximum of 4. Per the oneworld rules 4 (h) shown below (bolding of "flight" is from oneworld Explorer rules) and per my personal experience, surface sectors DO count against one's total 16 segments but do NOT count against each continent's maximum free number of flight segments within each continent.

"A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows:"

So in the case of the Asia flight segments shown by the OP, on a non-CAI ticket one could add one more segment assuming there wasn't another Asia segments prior to KUL-NRT 11SEP and the 16 total segments limit isn't exceeded.
yup, my current segments are totally valid.
may be i didnt make my question clear, my initial question was, say,
i am now at segment 4
i still have segment 5-16 to fly
i want QF to cancel my remaining segment from 8-16 now, while keeping my 5-7 valid.

I got reply from QF, they suggested for me to complete segment 7 first, then only proceed to cancel. They cant price the refund as of now.

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Old Aug 27, 2024 | 9:14 pm
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Originally Posted by kayzng
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I got reply from QF, they suggested for me to complete segment 7 first, then only proceed to cancel. They cant price the refund as of now.
This makes sense to me.
To cancel earlier than after the 7th segment has been flown would result in an invalid RTW itinerary (since it is no longer round-the-world).
Cancelling after the 7th segment has been flown is a simple cancellation of all remaining segments.

I expect any refund after cancelling would be very small.
So the easiest option is just to no-show for segment 8.
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Old Aug 27, 2024 | 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
This makes sense to me.
To cancel earlier than after the 7th segment has been flown would result in an invalid RTW itinerary (since it is no longer round-the-world).
Cancelling after the 7th segment has been flown is a simple cancellation of all remaining segments.

I expect any refund after cancelling would be very small.
So the easiest option is just to no-show for segment 8.
Earlier I got a quote from refund of 3.8k from 5.3k
That's after flown 4 segments, inclusive of 1 Europe to Asia
I will update once I got the refund quote after 7 segments
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Old Aug 28, 2024 | 11:14 am
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Originally Posted by kayzng
Hi,
this is about cancellation.
I still have about 9 segments to go,
KUL-NRT 11SEP
HND-GMP 19SEP
ICN-KUL 22SEP
US segments in Dec
I would still want to fly the Asia segments, but cancel the US segment.
can I cancel the US segments now, before taking the Asia segments?

I am traveling now, I am afraid if I call QF on roaming, it will be hefty bill, as it normally takes more than 30 minutes
Do you have access to wi-fi? Call on Skype and it's pennies.
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Old Aug 28, 2024 | 11:30 am
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Requirements for booking through AA desk

Hi all, I'm planning an ex-Tokyo DONE5 that only has 1 transcon leg on AA (JFK-SFO). Would anyone know if the AA desk might be willing to ticket it? Or would I need to have an intercontinental leg on AA to book through AA?
Thanks!
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 2:01 am
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Do you have access to wi-fi? Call on Skype and it's pennies.
Not even pennies, call the US number on Skype and it's totally free.
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by TTSSW
Hi all, I'm planning an ex-Tokyo DONE5 that only has 1 transcon leg on AA (JFK-SFO). Would anyone know if the AA desk might be willing to ticket it? Or would I need to have an intercontinental leg on AA to book through AA?
Thanks!
Generally reports have been that they are unwilling to book it without an AA coded inter-continental segment. Generally people have said TPAC or TATL, but someone recently posted (within this year) a segment to Chile that was allowed and kept their TPAC and TATL on other codes.

I don't know if your PPro status would make any difference to the intercontinental requirement or not, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Is South America in your plans anyway? If so it could work since only Brazil has non-AA codes available, everything else would be an AA code regardless.
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Old Aug 29, 2024 | 11:51 pm
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
Generally reports have been that they are unwilling to book it without an AA coded inter-continental segment. Generally people have said TPAC or TATL, but someone recently posted (within this year) a segment to Chile that was allowed and kept their TPAC and TATL on other codes.

I don't know if your PPro status would make any difference to the intercontinental requirement or not, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Is South America in your plans anyway? If so it could work since only Brazil has non-AA codes available, everything else would be an AA code regardless.
I'll try my luck by calling, thank you so much! Generally, for an itinerary that's has JL and QR as intercontinental carriers, what's the consensus on the best place to book?
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Old Aug 30, 2024 | 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by TTSSW
I'll try my luck by calling, thank you so much! Generally, for an itinerary that's has JL and QR as intercontinental carriers, what's the consensus on the best place to book?
Sadly QF is the easiest one from the online tool, but comes with it's downfalls for certain. JL would probably book it but has a service charge in addition to any change fees you would normally incur.

I'd say in your case a travel agent would be your best bet and ticket on QF stock (assuming you have any substantial AA segments) as in my experiences QF ticketed RTWs have AA segments credited as distance while my CX ticket did not (credited as revenue at about 1/3 the rate I should have got on a distance credit).

BA apparently does still do ticketing by phone call, but not sure their requirements for BA codes on the ticket. Unfortunately on an ex-Japan, going with CX is likely not an option if you're using JL for your overwater (can't return to the country of origin until you wrap up the ticket). The way I got around that was taking CX to Oceania and a QF code from there to the US.

I've heard also that UL provides a decent experience on these tickets, but that's from someone else in this forum. I haven't flown them for about 10 years, so no firsthand experience at all. Their own coded flights credit the worst of any OW D fare in the network (to AAdvantage), so I have little motivation to fly them.
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Old Sep 4, 2024 | 6:51 pm
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
....... (can't return to the country of origin until you wrap up the ticket). .......
You can transit the country of origin, no stopover unless wrapping up the ticket. You cannot transit the city of origin. I started my current Done4 HND-JFK and will finish it in a couple of months with LAX-KIX-xBKK-HND. Ticketed by AA RTW desk.
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Old Sep 4, 2024 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by njfan07
You can transit the country of origin, no stopover unless wrapping up the ticket. You cannot transit the city of origin. I started my current Done4 HND-JFK and will finish it in a couple of months with LAX-KIX-xBKK-HND. Ticketed by AA RTW desk.
Ah hah, yeah that's it then. I remember having that problem on one I was building last year where I would have needed to transit TYO. It didn't even occur to me to depart from NGO or KIX instead.
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Old Sep 4, 2024 | 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by njfan07
You can transit the country of origin, no stopover unless wrapping up the ticket. You cannot transit the city of origin. I started my current Done4 HND-JFK and will finish it in a couple of months with LAX-KIX-xBKK-HND. Ticketed by AA RTW desk.
Huh? You started with an eastbound trans-pacific flight (HND-JFK) and then near the end you have a westbound trans-pacific flight (LAX-KIX)??
That's against rule 4(a) Travel must be via the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and only one crossing of each ocean is permitted.
And also there's rule 4(f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of origin permitted.
Care to share your full itinerary?


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Old Sep 10, 2024 | 10:47 pm
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First time booking a RTW fare. Booked a DONE3 ex-Japan using the Oneworld website and then ticketed with JAL.
Overall, good experience.

Lessons learned:
  • The booking will disappear from JAL MMB almost immediately, but remain accessible on all other OW airlines. As soon as it's ticketed, you can access it again and select JAL seats, etc.
  • Cancellation seems to be possible online, but not changes (unsurprisingly).
  • Ticketing through JAL was painless. when I called the local English-language reservations desk, I was connected immediately. The agent knew exactly what a Oneworld Explorer fare was and how to ticket it. I needed to wait an hour for a call back, but she confirmed the price was exactly as quoted online. I was not charged a booking fee– a pleasant surprise!
  • Payment was through a web portal sent via SMS. I could not receive the SMS while on the phone. Ideally, have a separate phone ready to receive the text. Otherwise, they payment link remains valid for an hour and doesn't need to be used while on the phone.
  • Ticket needed to be paid by the passenger.
Unfortunately, I lost my opportunity to fly new JL business class (A350) because I was worried about ticketing my first booking after it failed to load on JAL MMB. I waited ~28 hours for it to auto-cancel and then booked again, but the OW tool no longer offered the necessary feeder flight. Probably could have tried discussing with the agent, but given this is my first time, I was a bit nervous about messing it all up.

The OW web tool is functional but not ideal. For example, originating from Osaka, there was mysteriously no availability returning to Tokyo at the end of the trip, but loads via Tokyo to Osaka. Does anyone have experience doing the complete booking through JAL reservations rather than through the website?
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Old Sep 11, 2024 | 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by JL41
First time booking a RTW fare. Booked a DONE3 ex-Japan using the Oneworld website and then ticketed with JAL.
Overall, good experience.

Lessons learned:
  • The booking will disappear from JAL MMB almost immediately, but remain accessible on all other OW airlines. As soon as it's ticketed, you can access it again and select JAL seats, etc.
  • Cancellation seems to be possible online, but not changes (unsurprisingly).
  • Ticketing through JAL was painless. when I called the local English-language reservations desk, I was connected immediately. The agent knew exactly what a Oneworld Explorer fare was and how to ticket it. I needed to wait an hour for a call back, but she confirmed the price was exactly as quoted online. I was not charged a booking fee a pleasant surprise!
  • Payment was through a web portal sent via SMS. I could not receive the SMS while on the phone. Ideally, have a separate phone ready to receive the text. Otherwise, they payment link remains valid for an hour and doesn't need to be used while on the phone.
  • Ticket needed to be paid by the passenger.
Unfortunately, I lost my opportunity to fly new JL business class (A350) because I was worried about ticketing my first booking after it failed to load on JAL MMB. I waited ~28 hours for it to auto-cancel and then booked again, but the OW tool no longer offered the necessary feeder flight. Probably could have tried discussing with the agent, but given this is my first time, I was a bit nervous about messing it all up.

The OW web tool is functional but not ideal. For example, originating from Osaka, there was mysteriously no availability returning to Tokyo at the end of the trip, but loads via Tokyo to Osaka. Does anyone have experience doing the complete booking through JAL reservations rather than through the website?
Interesting and great data point. I like that it still requires you to use a payment link after pushing the reservation to JL. That is the same as CX and you have time to make adjustments on some segments that the online tool can't do (like using codeshares instead of prime flight numbers). I like the idea of building the whole thing online and pushing it to the airline for ticketing, but still able to fine tune before payment and ticketing.

Shame about losing the A350 flight, but you may be able to get it back if you keep an eye on inventory and pay the change fee. I got a chance to fly it last month, the new seat is definitely very nice, a night and day improvement over the old seat. The FAs definitely weren't used to doors on the suites yet and didn't always close it, but the seat itself is great.
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