Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
#2506
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#2507




Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London, UK
Programs: AY Platinum (BA refugee), AA liftime gold
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When pricing to explore the impact of routings I looked up a dozen similar routes. Maybe it's just me but I would not feel comfortable asking for those at the same time, or even one after the other as edits which would take a fortnight elapsed but would at least save the hour-ish on phone set up from scratch can take.
If you have your route nailed, or nearly so, and are focused on ticketing then I would certainly say call AA unless you know what you're doing and have a good reason to ticket elsewhere.
I'm not planning on booking any of the routings shared by others or even (exactly) my pricing experiment routes. I'm finding them useful to see them priced though and hope people keep sharing.
#2508

Join Date: Jul 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AAdvantage
Posts: 218
No first flight either
Hi,
From the RTW tool, I found the price ex-OSLO on Economy seems cheaper compare to other
3 Continents: NOK17,243.00 = 1641 USD
4 Continents: NOK20,430.00
5 Continents: NOK23,699.00
6 Continents: NOK26,967.00
While for Business class, it's about same with ex-Tokyo or ex-Columbo
I am trying to build a LONE3 ex-OSLO to see what's the final price the tool would quote.
Unfortunately, I always got stuck at the first segment, regardless of what city i change, it always said cant find flight, anyone has similar experience?
My trial and error route, making it as simple as possible
OSL - MAD/LHR/HEL/CDG (tried all these)
MAD/LHR/HEL/CDG - DOH
DOH - Tokyo
Tokyo - KUL
KUL - HKG
HKG - JFK
JFK - LAX
LAX - OSL
anything I did wrong?
From the RTW tool, I found the price ex-OSLO on Economy seems cheaper compare to other
3 Continents: NOK17,243.00 = 1641 USD
4 Continents: NOK20,430.00
5 Continents: NOK23,699.00
6 Continents: NOK26,967.00
While for Business class, it's about same with ex-Tokyo or ex-Columbo
I am trying to build a LONE3 ex-OSLO to see what's the final price the tool would quote.
Unfortunately, I always got stuck at the first segment, regardless of what city i change, it always said cant find flight, anyone has similar experience?
My trial and error route, making it as simple as possible
OSL - MAD/LHR/HEL/CDG (tried all these)
MAD/LHR/HEL/CDG - DOH
DOH - Tokyo
Tokyo - KUL
KUL - HKG
HKG - JFK
JFK - LAX
LAX - OSL
anything I did wrong?
After reading through most? of this thread. I think I want to use QR for some flights.
For example, OSL DFW. To use the OneWorld RTW too,l how do you get routing through DOH??
Agree that I like to play with the tool, then call AA RTW desk when I only have a couple of options to price.
I am in the middle of one RTW but playing with the tool see what I might want to do at the end of this one in OSL.
#2510




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
I think flyhurl's itinerary is ending in OSL and they are already partially though it.
You have to force it most of the time, so you'd put in DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL separately but have your departure date the same date as arrival (or less than 24 hours), that usually works in the OW tool.
It tends to throw errors before ticketing if you do that with certain airlines, but many of them will work, and you should at least be able to get availability that way if nothing else. But QR most definitely goes by married segment logic, and in the tool that will break a married segment. If there is no availability on the married segment then you still can't book it, you need Expertflyer to check that. (Enter DFW-OSL, with connection in DOH), you need D on that, it doesn't matter if DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL have it separately. If there's no married segment availability then you need over 24 hours in DOH to break it.
Yes, I had trouble with my first flight too. Sometimes no flight, sometimes no business class.
After reading through most? of this thread. I think I want to use QR for some flights.
For example, OSL DFW. To use the OneWorld RTW too,l how do you get routing through DOH??
Agree that I like to play with the tool, then call AA RTW desk when I only have a couple of options to price.
I am in the middle of one RTW but playing with the tool see what I might want to do at the end of this one in OSL.
After reading through most? of this thread. I think I want to use QR for some flights.
For example, OSL DFW. To use the OneWorld RTW too,l how do you get routing through DOH??
Agree that I like to play with the tool, then call AA RTW desk when I only have a couple of options to price.
I am in the middle of one RTW but playing with the tool see what I might want to do at the end of this one in OSL.
It tends to throw errors before ticketing if you do that with certain airlines, but many of them will work, and you should at least be able to get availability that way if nothing else. But QR most definitely goes by married segment logic, and in the tool that will break a married segment. If there is no availability on the married segment then you still can't book it, you need Expertflyer to check that. (Enter DFW-OSL, with connection in DOH), you need D on that, it doesn't matter if DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL have it separately. If there's no married segment availability then you need over 24 hours in DOH to break it.
#2511

Join Date: Jul 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AAdvantage
Posts: 218
I think flyhurl's itinerary is ending in OSL and they are already partially though it.
You have to force it most of the time, so you'd put in DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL separately but have your departure date the same date as arrival (or less than 24 hours), that usually works in the OW tool.
It tends to throw errors before ticketing if you do that with certain airlines, but many of them will work, and you should at least be able to get availability that way if nothing else. But QR most definitely goes by married segment logic, and in the tool that will break a married segment. If there is no availability on the married segment then you still can't book it, you need Expertflyer to check that. (Enter DFW-OSL, with connection in DOH), you need D on that, it doesn't matter if DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL have it separately. If there's no married segment availability then you need over 24 hours in DOH to break it.
You have to force it most of the time, so you'd put in DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL separately but have your departure date the same date as arrival (or less than 24 hours), that usually works in the OW tool.
It tends to throw errors before ticketing if you do that with certain airlines, but many of them will work, and you should at least be able to get availability that way if nothing else. But QR most definitely goes by married segment logic, and in the tool that will break a married segment. If there is no availability on the married segment then you still can't book it, you need Expertflyer to check that. (Enter DFW-OSL, with connection in DOH), you need D on that, it doesn't matter if DFW-DOH and DOH-OSL have it separately. If there's no married segment availability then you need over 24 hours in DOH to break it.
But now I am looking at starting new RTW ticket next fall and may want OSL DOH DFW as the first leg. So all the answers have been helpful. If I don't force routing, the Oneworld tool still throws out no business class available on the first flight if it is OSL DFW but is ok if the first flight is HEL DFW or OSL LON. But with the information provided, I have been able to work around enough for my research.
Thanks.
#2513



Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
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Posts: 3,687
According to EF, BA and CX are yet to update their fares - so if you are quick...
ETA
Quick check in EF, prices ex-Norway are unchanged
ETA
To be fair, these fares had been unchanged since at least March 2012
(the rule sheet for that month included the base fares for all countries - I kept a copy)
Last edited by pandaperth; Oct 3, 2024 at 4:35 pm
#2514



Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 632
Was comparing OSL to TYO and saw the TYO increase. I had not checked OSL for a while , so it is good to know they are unchanged.
#2515
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Does anyone have a phone number to book with BA?
ETA: So ex-Japan, EF now showing USD 5,429.14 base fare for a DONE3 ticketed by AA. Still pretty much a bargain for what you get. Just checked, and my itineraries run around USD 700-750 in taxes and fees. So a total of a little under $6,200. That's at the low end of what I would have to pay for BKK-BOS roundtrip in business, so no complaints here. I just priced out a BKK-BOS roundtrip for the dates I want for my next trip, and it's USD 7,843 on QR. So I'll still buy the DONE3 tickets, -- even at the new price it's still a bargain for me, plus the extra stops I get to make are essentially free.
ETA: So ex-Japan, EF now showing USD 5,429.14 base fare for a DONE3 ticketed by AA. Still pretty much a bargain for what you get. Just checked, and my itineraries run around USD 700-750 in taxes and fees. So a total of a little under $6,200. That's at the low end of what I would have to pay for BKK-BOS roundtrip in business, so no complaints here. I just priced out a BKK-BOS roundtrip for the dates I want for my next trip, and it's USD 7,843 on QR. So I'll still buy the DONE3 tickets, -- even at the new price it's still a bargain for me, plus the extra stops I get to make are essentially free.
Last edited by Dr. HFH; Oct 3, 2024 at 6:16 pm
#2516




Join Date: Dec 2006
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Yes. I do have a current RTW ticket that I just changed the last leg (to be taken in March) to be HKG DOH OSL.
But now I am looking at starting new RTW ticket next fall and may want OSL DOH DFW as the first leg. So all the answers have been helpful. If I don't force routing, the Oneworld tool still throws out no business class available on the first flight if it is OSL DFW but is ok if the first flight is HEL DFW or OSL LON. But with the information provided, I have been able to work around enough for my research.
Thanks.
But now I am looking at starting new RTW ticket next fall and may want OSL DOH DFW as the first leg. So all the answers have been helpful. If I don't force routing, the Oneworld tool still throws out no business class available on the first flight if it is OSL DFW but is ok if the first flight is HEL DFW or OSL LON. But with the information provided, I have been able to work around enough for my research.
Thanks.
I'm not too excited about having to position to OSL for my next one, but we'll see where things stand at the time. It seems the ex-Japan price increase is about $1000 at current rates, which still may be ok considering the lack of YQ. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but ex-Pakistan is also quite competitive, I've seen one or two people talk about using that one (believe on a UL booking). ex-CMB appears to be decent too if you can't position to Europe cheaply.
Last edited by dvs7310; Oct 3, 2024 at 8:58 pm
#2517




Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 5
Does anyone have a phone number to book with BA?
ETA: So ex-Japan, EF now showing USD 5,429.14 base fare for a DONE3 ticketed by AA. Still pretty much a bargain for what you get. Just checked, and my itineraries run around USD 700-750 in taxes and fees. So a total of a little under $6,200. That's at the low end of what I would have to pay for BKK-BOS roundtrip in business, so no complaints here. I just priced out a BKK-BOS roundtrip for the dates I want for my next trip, and it's USD 7,843 on QR. So I'll still buy the DONE3 tickets, -- even at the new price it's still a bargain for me, plus the extra stops I get to make are essentially free.
ETA: So ex-Japan, EF now showing USD 5,429.14 base fare for a DONE3 ticketed by AA. Still pretty much a bargain for what you get. Just checked, and my itineraries run around USD 700-750 in taxes and fees. So a total of a little under $6,200. That's at the low end of what I would have to pay for BKK-BOS roundtrip in business, so no complaints here. I just priced out a BKK-BOS roundtrip for the dates I want for my next trip, and it's USD 7,843 on QR. So I'll still buy the DONE3 tickets, -- even at the new price it's still a bargain for me, plus the extra stops I get to make are essentially free.
#2519
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#2520
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I'm not too excited about having to position to OSL for my next one, but we'll see where things stand at the time. It seems the ex-Japan price increase is about $1000 at current rates, which still may be ok considering the lack of YQ. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but ex-Pakistan is also quite competitive, I've seen one or two people talk about using that one (believe on a UL booking). ex-CMB appears to be decent too if you can't position to Europe cheaply.
KHI is cheap enough, listed in EF at USD 4591 for an IONE3. I have a friend here (Thailand) who is from Pakistan, his family still lives there. In the past, he has said that he would not want me to go to KHI even for a transit because it can get really crazy at the airport. He carries a hangun whenever he's in-country, and hired two armed guards for his Thai girlfriend when she visited earlier this year. Just sent him an email to see what his current assessment is.





