Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
#2296




Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: ZRH
Programs: A3G
Posts: 26
That didn't really answer my question. You're on a xONEx RTW ticket, correct? Which airline issued the ticket?
It's impossible for us to guess at the ease or difficulty in getting it fixed without that info.
The RJ one would easily be eligible for a re-route unless you actually want to spend a day in Jordan. I've been there a few times and it's a very nice country and plenty you can do in 24 hours, but up to you. The visa is slightly expensive in my opinion compared to others in the region. Very high chance you can re-route it on QR which is a FAR FAR superior airline. RJ is about as basic and old school as it gets in business class these days. QR on the other hand is top notch.
For your second one with AY, I'm not exactly following what you mean by manual transit. Your original routing, despite having to enter it like you did will still be a transit on the ticket, not a stopover. Your proposed re-reroute seems viable, but I'm not sure Id' advise it depending on the BA product on that route. Unless it's BA's new Club Suite, the old one is God awful. AY flies to SEA as well don't they? You can also re-route it on QR via DOH if you're after extra miles and a better flight experience. (Yeah A LOT longer in the air, so again priorities do matter)
It's impossible for us to guess at the ease or difficulty in getting it fixed without that info.
The RJ one would easily be eligible for a re-route unless you actually want to spend a day in Jordan. I've been there a few times and it's a very nice country and plenty you can do in 24 hours, but up to you. The visa is slightly expensive in my opinion compared to others in the region. Very high chance you can re-route it on QR which is a FAR FAR superior airline. RJ is about as basic and old school as it gets in business class these days. QR on the other hand is top notch.
For your second one with AY, I'm not exactly following what you mean by manual transit. Your original routing, despite having to enter it like you did will still be a transit on the ticket, not a stopover. Your proposed re-reroute seems viable, but I'm not sure Id' advise it depending on the BA product on that route. Unless it's BA's new Club Suite, the old one is God awful. AY flies to SEA as well don't they? You can also re-route it on QR via DOH if you're after extra miles and a better flight experience. (Yeah A LOT longer in the air, so again priorities do matter)
The initial idea was to make some days in CAI and go back to Switzerland but with the involuntary flight change i got the idea of making holidays in Jordan instead and use the leg at the end to go to Egypt. Otherwise i potentially might skip it. The main trip is the RTW from Switzerland.
I would be completly in to do the SEA-DOH-ZRH but i am not sure it would be possible due to the miles. Or do they not matter when there is an involuntary change? I anyway will have to adjust the whole trip (apart of the first segment, in order to not pay the 125USD fee and have a recalculation) as i just booked some placeholders for now, though with the intended routing. With manual transit i meant that it wasn't an option offered by the system when entering SEA-ZRH but i first had to enter SEA-LAX and then LAX-ZRH.
I don't have a lot of experience with oneworld and even less with their RTW programm as i mostly fly Star Alliance and have my expertise there. So any help is appreciated!
#2297


Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 2,056
I have 2 experiences of an involuntary change with a QF ticket and they were pretty good about dealing with it. One time they let me bundle in several other changes that would otherwise be chargeable, the other time they didn't, they processed the invol first then went back to the other changes I wanted (that were chargeable).
#2298


Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, AC, Hyatt, Hilton
Posts: 4,238
Is there a way to see your list of saved itineraries on the stupid oneworld website, without first having to create a whole new itinerary all over again, just to be able to save it and then see your old ones?
#2299



Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,687
On the top right corner of the first screen there is an option to create an account. Once you've done that, then you can save your itineraries
and recall them later
I use it all the time, it works well.
#2300




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
It is actually a DGLOB34 fare issued by QF as i booked it via the oneworld webpage. It was part of the CAI Deal. Routing is: CAI-AMM-ZRH/BSL-LHR-HND/KIX-HKG-SYD-NAN-SFO-SEA-LAX-HEL-ZRH-LHR-CAI.
The initial idea was to make some days in CAI and go back to Switzerland but with the involuntary flight change i got the idea of making holidays in Jordan instead and use the leg at the end to go to Egypt. Otherwise i potentially might skip it. The main trip is the RTW from Switzerland.
I would be completly in to do the SEA-DOH-ZRH but i am not sure it would be possible due to the miles. Or do they not matter when there is an involuntary change? I anyway will have to adjust the whole trip (apart of the first segment, in order to not pay the 125USD fee and have a recalculation) as i just booked some placeholders for now, though with the intended routing. With manual transit i meant that it wasn't an option offered by the system when entering SEA-ZRH but i first had to enter SEA-LAX and then LAX-ZRH.
I don't have a lot of experience with oneworld and even less with their RTW programm as i mostly fly Star Alliance and have my expertise there. So any help is appreciated!
The initial idea was to make some days in CAI and go back to Switzerland but with the involuntary flight change i got the idea of making holidays in Jordan instead and use the leg at the end to go to Egypt. Otherwise i potentially might skip it. The main trip is the RTW from Switzerland.
I would be completly in to do the SEA-DOH-ZRH but i am not sure it would be possible due to the miles. Or do they not matter when there is an involuntary change? I anyway will have to adjust the whole trip (apart of the first segment, in order to not pay the 125USD fee and have a recalculation) as i just booked some placeholders for now, though with the intended routing. With manual transit i meant that it wasn't an option offered by the system when entering SEA-ZRH but i first had to enter SEA-LAX and then LAX-ZRH.
I don't have a lot of experience with oneworld and even less with their RTW programm as i mostly fly Star Alliance and have my expertise there. So any help is appreciated!
That's an interesting question about the mileage on a DGLOB34 in the case of an involuntary re-route. I have no idea, we have had so few people in this forum talking about that ticket there aren't any data points I'm aware of. I guess try it and see what happens. The only times I've had major invols on RTWs so far on a QF ticket and they were generally pretty good about dealing with it, but just be conscious that while they may end up ticketing something that exceeds your mileage it could (likely) cause problems in subsequent changes later.
I do get what you meant by manual transit now, sometimes the OW tool does require inputting it that way, but it's still a connection on the ticket and as far as the ticketing carrier is concerned. I had to do the same thing on my ex-CAI since I wanted to go from STL to DOH via the west cost, but the tool won't offer those routings, so I entered STL-SEA to get the AS flight, then SEA-DOH for the QR flight, it was happy to ticket it that way, but it's definitely ticketed as a connection. I've done that a few times now, unless you're breaking a married segment availability limitation then it seems to be fine with it.
#2301




Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: ZRH
Programs: A3G
Posts: 26
Ah, ok that makes more sense now. If you've never been to Egypt or Jordan before, Jordan is by far a lot easier of a country to navigate. But it's a lot more expensive and doesn't have the multitude of diving / snorkeling destinations that Egypt has. It is still very rich in history, though a lot of it aside from Petra and Wadi Rum is Roman vs. what you'd get in Egypt. You certainly don't have to worry about every single person related to the tourist industry trying to rip you off either that you experience in Egypt, very different culture in that regard. You won't go wrong with either choice but Egypt can be hard core if you're not used to it.
That's an interesting question about the mileage on a DGLOB34 in the case of an involuntary re-route. I have no idea, we have had so few people in this forum talking about that ticket there aren't any data points I'm aware of. I guess try it and see what happens. The only times I've had major invols on RTWs so far on a QF ticket and they were generally pretty good about dealing with it, but just be conscious that while they may end up ticketing something that exceeds your mileage it could (likely) cause problems in subsequent changes later.
I do get what you meant by manual transit now, sometimes the OW tool does require inputting it that way, but it's still a connection on the ticket and as far as the ticketing carrier is concerned. I had to do the same thing on my ex-CAI since I wanted to go from STL to DOH via the west cost, but the tool won't offer those routings, so I entered STL-SEA to get the AS flight, then SEA-DOH for the QR flight, it was happy to ticket it that way, but it's definitely ticketed as a connection. I've done that a few times now, unless you're breaking a married segment availability limitation then it seems to be fine with it.
That's an interesting question about the mileage on a DGLOB34 in the case of an involuntary re-route. I have no idea, we have had so few people in this forum talking about that ticket there aren't any data points I'm aware of. I guess try it and see what happens. The only times I've had major invols on RTWs so far on a QF ticket and they were generally pretty good about dealing with it, but just be conscious that while they may end up ticketing something that exceeds your mileage it could (likely) cause problems in subsequent changes later.
I do get what you meant by manual transit now, sometimes the OW tool does require inputting it that way, but it's still a connection on the ticket and as far as the ticketing carrier is concerned. I had to do the same thing on my ex-CAI since I wanted to go from STL to DOH via the west cost, but the tool won't offer those routings, so I entered STL-SEA to get the AS flight, then SEA-DOH for the QR flight, it was happy to ticket it that way, but it's definitely ticketed as a connection. I've done that a few times now, unless you're breaking a married segment availability limitation then it seems to be fine with it.
#2302


Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, AC, Hyatt, Hilton
Posts: 4,238
#2303




Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: anywhere and everywhere
Programs: United Nations 193, UA GS, AS MVP 100K, DL Diamond, Marriot Lifetime Titanium, AmEx Centurion
Posts: 6,356
Very clear that Explorer tickets are limited to 16 segments. Im in the middle of one flying segment 6 tomorrow. 10 more booked from there.
Anyone tried to do a same day change with AS that would change AAA-BBB on seg 6 to AAA-CCC-BBB?
it would bring it to 17, but since SDC doesnt trigger a reticket (I dont think) might it work?
Anyone tried to do a same day change with AS that would change AAA-BBB on seg 6 to AAA-CCC-BBB?
it would bring it to 17, but since SDC doesnt trigger a reticket (I dont think) might it work?
#2304

Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 204
https://rtw.oneworld.com/rtw/
this link, then you can see My Account on top right
this link, then you can see My Account on top right
#2305




Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AA Platinum Pro/Oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 138
Hi,
I just wanted to confirm my understanding of how miles/LPs are earned on codeshare flights booked through AA. My wife and I are flying Qatar Airways (QR) next week DFW-DOH-MLE and back (business class). Although this flight is on QR metal, since it was marketed and booked via AA, we will earn miles/LPs based on AA's calculation methodology, correct?
The reason I ask is that, in this case, we'd benefit more from AA's methodology than QR's. Thanks!
I just wanted to confirm my understanding of how miles/LPs are earned on codeshare flights booked through AA. My wife and I are flying Qatar Airways (QR) next week DFW-DOH-MLE and back (business class). Although this flight is on QR metal, since it was marketed and booked via AA, we will earn miles/LPs based on AA's calculation methodology, correct?
The reason I ask is that, in this case, we'd benefit more from AA's methodology than QR's. Thanks!
#2306




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
Hi,
I just wanted to confirm my understanding of how miles/LPs are earned on codeshare flights booked through AA. My wife and I are flying Qatar Airways (QR) next week DFW-DOH-MLE and back (business class). Although this flight is on QR metal, since it was marketed and booked via AA, we will earn miles/LPs based on AA's calculation methodology, correct?
The reason I ask is that, in this case, we'd benefit more from AA's methodology than QR's. Thanks!
I just wanted to confirm my understanding of how miles/LPs are earned on codeshare flights booked through AA. My wife and I are flying Qatar Airways (QR) next week DFW-DOH-MLE and back (business class). Although this flight is on QR metal, since it was marketed and booked via AA, we will earn miles/LPs based on AA's calculation methodology, correct?
The reason I ask is that, in this case, we'd benefit more from AA's methodology than QR's. Thanks!
RTW / Round the World ticket - earning AAdvantage Miles
I've had both so far, but I avoid AA codes when at all possible to minimize the risk. in 2022 I had DFW-GRU and GRU-JFK on AA codes actually credit as distance. In 2024 I had DFW-SAL and SAL-DFW credit as revenue, that's a short enough flight that it didn't hurt too bad, but the earnings were 50% of what they would have been if distance calculation. In your case the disparity will be much more since QR has such a nice multiplier with AAdvantage, additionally I have a slightly higher multiplier on AA's revenue base as EXP, but perhaps you'll be EXP before your flight which does help a bit. My SAL flight didn't have any codeshares so there wasn't any choice but to use the AA codes.
Last edited by dvs7310; Jun 25, 2024 at 12:47 pm
#2307




Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AA Platinum Pro/Oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 138
Sadly it's extremely likely to be calculated on revenue which is nothing on these tickets compared to a distance credit that you'd get if it were a QR code. There's a thread in the AA forum where people have discussed experiences with this and seems more often than not it credits as revenue. (basically ticket price divided by total miles, then that per mile cost x AA coded segments).
RTW / Round the World ticket - earning AAdvantage Miles
I've had both so far, but I avoid AA codes when at all possible to minimize the risk. in 2022 I had DFW-GRU and GRU-JFK on AA codes actually credit as distance. In 2024 I had DFW-SAL and SAL-DFW credit as revenue, that's a short enough flight that it didn't hurt too bad, but the earnings were 50% of what they would have been if distance calculation. In your case the disparity will be much more since QR has such a nice multiplier with AAdvantage, additionally I have a slightly higher multiplier on AA's revenue base as EXP, but perhaps you'll be EXP before your flight which does help a bit. My SAL flight didn't have any codeshares so there wasn't any choice but to use the AA codes.
RTW / Round the World ticket - earning AAdvantage Miles
I've had both so far, but I avoid AA codes when at all possible to minimize the risk. in 2022 I had DFW-GRU and GRU-JFK on AA codes actually credit as distance. In 2024 I had DFW-SAL and SAL-DFW credit as revenue, that's a short enough flight that it didn't hurt too bad, but the earnings were 50% of what they would have been if distance calculation. In your case the disparity will be much more since QR has such a nice multiplier with AAdvantage, additionally I have a slightly higher multiplier on AA's revenue base as EXP, but perhaps you'll be EXP before your flight which does help a bit. My SAL flight didn't have any codeshares so there wasn't any choice but to use the AA codes.
Thanks for the feedback, but in this particular situation AAs revenue-based methodology is better. Unfortunately, these business class tickets were not cheap. 😌
#2308




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
But just for the heck of it I did a calculation, I'm not sure what your fare class is, but RTW tickets book into D class. It has a 150% cabin bonus on QR codes plus your 80% PPro bonus on the base miles, so on a QR D fare you'd earn a total of nearly 66,000 miles / LPs on a DFW-DOH-MLE round trip. To get to that level on AA codes (8x revenue for a PPro) would require a bit over a $8k base fare + airline surcharges (not taxes and airport fees). But if you're on an I, R, or P fare then that significantly lowers the bar of the break even threshold since the cabin bonus isn't nearly as high and could easily be better on a revenue base on those fare codes.
#2309




Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AA Platinum Pro/Oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 138
Ah, I had misunderstood and assumed it was on a RTW ticket (DONEx or DGLOB34) since this is the oneworld RTW thread. If it's a standard AA ticket then best asked in the AA forum. RTW are unique products that differ in many ways (including mileage earning in some cases) from regular tickets.
But just for the heck of it I did a calculation, I'm not sure what your fare class is, but RTW tickets book into D class. It has a 150% cabin bonus on QR codes plus your 80% PPro bonus on the base miles, so on a QR D fare you'd earn a total of nearly 66,000 miles / LPs on a DFW-DOH-MLE round trip. To get to that level on AA codes (8x revenue for a PPro) would require a bit over a $8k base fare + airline surcharges (not taxes and airport fees). But if you're on an I, R, or P fare then that significantly lowers the bar of the break even threshold since the cabin bonus isn't nearly as high and could easily be better on a revenue base on those fare codes.
But just for the heck of it I did a calculation, I'm not sure what your fare class is, but RTW tickets book into D class. It has a 150% cabin bonus on QR codes plus your 80% PPro bonus on the base miles, so on a QR D fare you'd earn a total of nearly 66,000 miles / LPs on a DFW-DOH-MLE round trip. To get to that level on AA codes (8x revenue for a PPro) would require a bit over a $8k base fare + airline surcharges (not taxes and airport fees). But if you're on an I, R, or P fare then that significantly lowers the bar of the break even threshold since the cabin bonus isn't nearly as high and could easily be better on a revenue base on those fare codes.
#2310


Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, AC, Hyatt, Hilton
Posts: 4,238
I think you are in the correct thread. The title is oneworld booking and the first post was actually about the Circle Pacific product which isn't RTW. There's one or two other threads specific to the Explorer and Global Explorer RTW products but admitted the difference between them all is difficult to grasp.




