Feb 24, 2015, 12:18 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
Mar 3, 2016, 8:06 am
#721
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
Thank you, my friend.
For comparison, here are nearby CAK's numbers (millions):
2015: 1.55
2014: 1.57
2013: 1.72
2012: 1.84
2011: 1.66
2010: 1.59
2009: 1.44
2008: 1.47
2007: 1.39
2006: 1.44
2005: 1.30
Over the last 11 years, CLE has decreased 33.6% while CAK increased 19.2%.
For comparison, here are nearby CAK's numbers (millions):
2015: 1.55
2014: 1.57
2013: 1.72
2012: 1.84
2011: 1.66
2010: 1.59
2009: 1.44
2008: 1.47
2007: 1.39
2006: 1.44
2005: 1.30
Over the last 11 years, CLE has decreased 33.6% while CAK increased 19.2%.
Mar 3, 2016, 5:03 pm
#722
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,169
Mar 3, 2016, 6:37 pm
#724
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
But we're talking about the past, not the future. In the past, CAK travel soared in lockstep with CLE's dive, as I said it would. As for the future? Yes, CAK'll probably fall—but not nearly as far as CLE has already fallen. Especially, looking further back to 2000: thirteen million down to 8! Five million travelers fallen into the abyss.
It's CAK that's losing the real O/D pax now.
Mar 4, 2016, 5:49 am
#725
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,169
What!? Really!? I'm shocked to learn CAK is not the crossroads of the world I thought it was. 
CAK's well-known status as a small airport is not news to anyone. Whereas CLE's death spiral is as terrible as it is newsworthy.
RNE, playing Sancho Panza to your Don Quixote.
CAK's well-known status as a small airport is not news to anyone. Whereas CLE's death spiral is as terrible as it is newsworthy. RNE, playing Sancho Panza to your Don Quixote.
Mar 4, 2016, 10:03 am
#726
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA, AA Plat Pro, DL, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 477
I wonder if the United lease on Concourse D is more of an impediment than anything else. I know they don't want to leave money on the table, and that is understandable. But that's a portion of the airport that could be repurposed very well in the future. Too bad it will probably be 11 years before that could happen, and by then, the facility might not be in a condition to be used.
Mar 6, 2016, 12:21 am
#727
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 143
After a flight today, walking down concourse C, I saw some JetBlue things in gate C6. It was probably just stuff being temporarily stored, it would be interesting if they were taking one of those gates!
Boy, would I be pleased if they started flying to JFK from CLE. We'd have even greater access to their route network that way.
Boy, would I be pleased if they started flying to JFK from CLE. We'd have even greater access to their route network that way.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:39 pm
#728
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA
Posts: 289
GOP convention 2016
With the upcoming GOP convention on Cleveland's horizon for the summer, does anyone know of UA plans to upgage flights from DCA, IAD or LGA this summer? Will United add additional nonstop service to other cities that might be popular routes for the convention?
Mar 7, 2016, 5:23 pm
#729
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CLE
Programs: UA,WN,AA,DL, B6
Posts: 4,169
That question was asked not long after the hub was closed and really did not get a firm answer. If you look at the schedule for the convention week not seeing anything added. Actually less flights to DCA and IAH, down to 4. Convention is almost 4 months out I would think the firm schedules would be in now. Looks like ORD has more mainline but that is a permanent change.
Mar 7, 2016, 5:40 pm
#730
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cle
Posts: 575
Cle is great
Cle to Dca is running 5 week days for July as it has for years
Cle to IAD is running 280seats per same as last summer
Cle to NYC is running 900 seats daily more than last year
June and July aircraft are subject to equipment swaps as are not final
only April systemwide is final
expect some E175 additions as schedules swap Cr-700's
Cle to IAD is running 280seats per same as last summer
Cle to NYC is running 900 seats daily more than last year
June and July aircraft are subject to equipment swaps as are not final
only April systemwide is final
expect some E175 additions as schedules swap Cr-700's
Mar 8, 2016, 6:52 am
#732
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA, AA Plat Pro, DL, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 477
Cle to Dca is running 5 week days for July as it has for years
Cle to IAD is running 280seats per same as last summer
Cle to NYC is running 900 seats daily more than last year
June and July aircraft are subject to equipment swaps as are not final
only April systemwide is final
expect some E175 additions as schedules swap Cr-700's
Cle to IAD is running 280seats per same as last summer
Cle to NYC is running 900 seats daily more than last year
June and July aircraft are subject to equipment swaps as are not final
only April systemwide is final
expect some E175 additions as schedules swap Cr-700's
Mar 8, 2016, 12:54 pm
#733
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CLE, CAK
Programs: UA Milage Plus
Posts: 214
Bad News?
Not sure if any of you have heard this yet, but Allegiant Air has 22 new routes and 3 new cities. One route that I know of is from CAK to somewhere in Orlando (MCO, maybe). Anyways, I really can't wait to see how this plays out because UA, NK, DL, and F9 all serve Orlando and other Florida destinations. This'll be interesting to watch.
Mar 8, 2016, 1:45 pm
#734
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA, AA Plat Pro, DL, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 477
Not sure if any of you have heard this yet, but Allegiant Air has 22 new routes and 3 new cities. One route that I know of is from CAK to somewhere in Orlando (MCO, maybe). Anyways, I really can't wait to see how this plays out because UA, NK, DL, and F9 all serve Orlando and other Florida destinations. This'll be interesting to watch.
Mar 8, 2016, 2:23 pm
#735
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CLE, CAK
Programs: UA Milage Plus
Posts: 214
Allegiant is going to fly to Orlando Sanford, twice a week. This service, and Delta's service to MCO from CLE will pick up some travelers, but the bulk of the passengers will still be served via Spirit, Frontier, and United. I was fascinated when Delta started its Saturday nonstop. Frankly, I'm surprised it's still going!