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drdrew450 May 14, 2013 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by st.exupery (Post 20746909)
PP Biz Debit Card: 1% cashback is for non-PIN transactions. Not sure of the benefit here, apart from paying taxes.

the benefit is to add some normal spend...get 1% back while you stay in the game.

I buy a few things using credit, buy a MO with pin, buy some things with pin and get some cash back, send some money to my spouse. Just mix it up.

I've been going strong since november.

Programs with online bill pay are better, but the ones I know all have limits, this adds another 4K/month to the Manufacturing. fees are low.

st.exupery May 14, 2013 7:13 pm

Cost of 48K reloads = $379.20, 2% bonus = $960, profit = $580.80/year. Bonus greater than 2% would help. Nevertheless the PP card is better than MVD for paying taxes, so assuming no hard credit pull I'll probably get, since 1% cashback covers the cost of the reloads.

Stoughton May 14, 2013 7:30 pm

FYI - The 1% is only on signature purchases, not PIN

josephstern May 14, 2013 7:36 pm


Originally Posted by Stoughton (Post 20752251)
FYI - The 1% is only on signature purchases, not PIN

Shouldn't there be no difference fee-wise with Durbin? AFAIK, a debit card is a debit card as far as fees are concerned under Durbin, so PIN or sig or internet keyed shouldn't matter.

Not disputing how PayPal awards the rebate - I just think they haven't updated their plan in light of the changes.

Here's a calculator:

http://www.cardfellow.com/blog/debit...ulator-durbin/

Stoughton May 14, 2013 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 20752275)
Shouldn't there be no difference fee-wise with Durbin? AFAIK, a debit card is a debit card as far as fees are concerned under Durbin, so PIN or sig or internet keyed shouldn't matter.

Not disputing how PayPal awards the rebate - I just think they haven't updated their plan in light of the changes.

Here's a calculator:

http://www.cardfellow.com/blog/debit...ulator-durbin/

Given that's it's a 'reward' program and not a fee, I don't know that it would be at all affected by Durbin. They could update their program but they don't have any pressing need to.

josephstern May 14, 2013 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by Stoughton (Post 20752289)
Given that's it's a 'reward' program and not a fee, I don't know that it would be at all affected by Durbin. They could update their program but they don't have any pressing need to.

My point is, PayPal collects no more on a PIN debit than on a sig charge from a debit card - as far as I understand.

So, in theory, there should be no reason to differentiate, except that they haven't updated the program since the change.

epiding May 14, 2013 9:35 pm

PAYPAL HERE: waiving all CC fees for 2013!
 
wow... this is a crazy bold move by PAYPAL... no fees on all credit card processing for the year!!! talk about competition.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/14/pa...sing-for-2013/

Curious about the possibilities... anyone have ideas how to leverage Paypal Here yet?
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/credit-card-reader

jerry305 May 14, 2013 9:49 pm

The merchant will need to have an existing account, and show that they did have existing hardware. It's available to "qualifying" U.S. merchants.

Still... sounds promising...
I'm not in the US; can someone else dig a little?

sj22 May 14, 2013 11:10 pm

I am sure Paypal with its infinite scrutiny will only give these out to verified merchants. Not guys like us, who would panic with a couple of thousand dollars held for a few days for verification.

Probably trying to take on the higher end market originally pioneered by Square.

johnnie198x May 15, 2013 12:23 am


Originally Posted by sahiljain22 (Post 20753142)
I am sure Paypal with its infinite scrutiny will only give these out to verified merchants. Not guys like us, who would panic with a couple of thousand dollars held for a few days for verification.

Agree, PayPal is a PITA to deal with. I had my account limited, and I have no idea why.

TAWS May 15, 2013 1:56 am

Even if you could get away churning with this, why would you? You will have to pay income tax on it.

st.exupery May 15, 2013 6:40 am

Seems that Netspend reloads (or locations) can fund PayPal pre-paid cards. Anyone have any luck paying with debit cards? Visa/MC Gift Cards (w. PIN) > NetSpend > PayPal would be a big time saver.

fangtl May 15, 2013 9:16 am


why would you? You will have to pay income tax on it.
will not apply unless one goes over the 1099 limitation.

Stoughton May 16, 2013 8:31 am


Originally Posted by fangtl (Post 20754996)
will not apply unless one goes over the 1099 limitation.

IIRC, that was $200k/200tx, correct?

jatink129 May 16, 2013 9:15 am


Originally Posted by Stoughton (Post 20760593)
IIRC, that was $200k/200tx, correct?

$20k and 200 transactions. Not $200k. :)


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