New Amanresorts, GHM & Ahn Luh Development (2014 Edition)
May 2, 2014, 5:09 pm
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(it's offical - http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...257605581.html)
my question was mainly whether few or many stakeholders
irony meaning getting rid of zecha?
i find it interesting doronin is in current press release but not original press release
my question was mainly whether few or many stakeholders
irony meaning getting rid of zecha?
i find it interesting doronin is in current press release but not original press release
Eliasch and Amanat have tried to work together before. Doronin and Amanat have been together too. Amanat and Branson seem to know each other but have no relationship with regard to Virgin Hotels.
May 2, 2014, 5:13 pm
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Aman, Amanat, strange? Irony would be my characterization as the names of each are distinct.
Eliasch and Amanat have tried to work together before. Doronin and Amanat have been together too. Amanat and Branson seem to know each other but have no relationship with regard to Virgin Hotels.
Eliasch and Amanat have tried to work together before. Doronin and Amanat have been together too. Amanat and Branson seem to know each other but have no relationship with regard to Virgin Hotels.
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May 2, 2014, 5:22 pm
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(it's offical - http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...257605581.html)
amanjunkies, how was zecha's departure handled in the media/etc the first time? and how soon did he announce maharesorts?
ah, thanks, sorry.
amanjunkies, how was zecha's departure handled in the media/etc the first time? and how soon did he announce maharesorts?
ah, thanks, sorry.
I don't expect we'll see an Aman in Prague anytime soon, but this last part is just a wild guess on my part.Some people I know are thrilled this has closed. I'm less positive about what this means for customers.
May 2, 2014, 5:31 pm
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Johan Eliasch
Both are known to 'get it' in life.
Doronin got Naomi Campbell in bed. Eliasch (Swedish turned British) got Sharon Stone in bed. So why not some new Aman customers?
It also remains my personal nr. 1 hotel group, when thinking about pure holiday destinations.
The bottomline was always fragile, from the beginning. The brand lately deteriorated, even under Zecha's watch. I'm not in the league to give Doronin or Eliasch unsolicited advice on their investment.
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May 2, 2014, 5:42 pm
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He'll be involved, as he thinks he's a real estate genius (and maybe he is, as I'm not a great judge of real estate genius) and as he wants to tell whomever listens that he was involved in this and that in making something (more) impressive/better. I don't expect he has the ability to get more properly involved (without further annoying Aman hotel/resort management/personnel with sort of flash in the pants moments when he comes around) and this is just a trophy investment of sort. In other words, he has the ability to mess it up and will be involved enough to sort of mess things up from time to time. If he or his favorites are on-site when an ordinary guest is there, it may be time to have buyer's remorse. Doronin won't be the one with buyer's remorse.
May 2, 2014, 6:08 pm
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zigzag, you can only hope. I would be surprised if the hope is realized, which is why I have hope but expect that hope will not be realized by these guys.
The two people you mention above "get it"? Get what? Neither are great hoteliers. Sure both are fans of ice hockey from time to time but what do you expect of someone who has lived in Sweden or Russia and made some money?
The individuals named in this thread are rather arrogant types -- not nasty generally, just unnecessarily arrogant for all the wrong reasons. The majority of the named have been involved in rather extensive internet browsing and even posting habits about themselves and others. These are very OCD image-conscious characters -- self-image not brand-building/customer-focused image.
I am curious where are the much more knowledgeable groups online about such matters? Where are my invitations to access those sites? Let's just say I've not been impressed by invitation-only networks after having checked out a few. Absent critical mass of membership or finding a niche in a niche with a decent enough amount of traffic to come up with multiple responses, it's tough -- not the access, but the matter of getting enough info sharing/extraction.
I do agree that the geographic/demographic skew of this place does have consequences, but it's about as good as it gets in terms of overall travel knowledge and the sharing amongst members (even with regard to the invitation-only online facilities).
Vladislav Doronin (sorry, didn't quickly find better site, but info here is ok)
Johan Eliasch
Both are known to 'get it' in life.
With all due respect - and I'm on the web too - one does not typically find the real high end spend much time on the web, in particular in forums. There is much more knowledgeable groups out there, but they are also much harder to access. In addition, there is not a representative cross section of target group nationalities on this forum.
It also remains my personal nr. 1 hotel group, when thinking about pure holiday destinations.
I'm not new. I just came back in for a moment.
The bottomline was always fragile, from the beginning. The brand lately deteriorated, even under Zecha's watch. I'm not in the league to give Doronin or Zecha unsolicited advice on their investment.
Johan Eliasch
Both are known to 'get it' in life.
With all due respect - and I'm on the web too - one does not typically find the real high end spend much time on the web, in particular in forums. There is much more knowledgeable groups out there, but they are also much harder to access. In addition, there is not a representative cross section of target group nationalities on this forum.
It also remains my personal nr. 1 hotel group, when thinking about pure holiday destinations.
I'm not new. I just came back in for a moment.
The bottomline was always fragile, from the beginning. The brand lately deteriorated, even under Zecha's watch. I'm not in the league to give Doronin or Zecha unsolicited advice on their investment.
The individuals named in this thread are rather arrogant types -- not nasty generally, just unnecessarily arrogant for all the wrong reasons. The majority of the named have been involved in rather extensive internet browsing and even posting habits about themselves and others.
These are very OCD image-conscious characters -- self-image not brand-building/customer-focused image. I am curious where are the much more knowledgeable groups online about such matters? Where are my invitations to access those sites? Let's just say I've not been impressed by invitation-only networks after having checked out a few. Absent critical mass of membership or finding a niche in a niche with a decent enough amount of traffic to come up with multiple responses, it's tough -- not the access, but the matter of getting enough info sharing/extraction.
I do agree that the geographic/demographic skew of this place does have consequences, but it's about as good as it gets in terms of overall travel knowledge and the sharing amongst members (even with regard to the invitation-only online facilities).
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May 2, 2014, 6:10 pm
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seems the problem for aman was debt going back to vaturi acquisition. if zecha sold out 5 years after starting aman, thats something ive not understood.
Mar 1 2008 http://robbreport.com/Feature-Amans-Man.aspx
Mar 27 2001 http://archive.today/l3aCj
amanjunkies, how was zecha's departure handled in the media/etc the first time? and how soon did he announce maharesorts?
seems it was kept quiet then covered later in a few articles. seems it took ~2 years to open Mahakua-Hacienda de San Antonio.
Nobody could be a more gracious and charming host then Adrian and Bebe Zecha. When they are on property it is them who step aside in the walk way, and give up their chair in the bar if all are occupied. When I first met her she said her husband worked for the company not, "my husband owns it".
He glances again at the guests by the bar. "It’s funny," he says. "They know the Amans, and they know each other, and they know the general manager and staff. But they don’t know me." That, however, is just the way Zecha likes it.
Originally Posted by Zecha
it's difficult to say what's next because we're never sure. My pet hate is hyperbole of any kind, or advertising. It is counterproductive. Anything could happen that might delay the opening of a resort, so we don't know really until only a few months before opening. At the moment we don't know where we'll open next.
seems it was kept quiet then covered later in a few articles. seems it took ~2 years to open Mahakua-Hacienda de San Antonio.
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May 2, 2014, 6:22 pm
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With all due respect - and I'm on the web too - one does not typically find the real high end spend much time on the web, in particular in forums. There is much more knowledgeable groups out there, but they are also much harder to access. In addition, there is not a representative cross section of target group nationalities on this forum.
May 2, 2014, 6:38 pm
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(it's offical - http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...257605581.html)
seems the problem for aman was debt going back to vaturi acquisition, which i dont understand if zecha sold out a few years after starting
http://robbreport.com/Feature-Amans-Man.aspx
amanjunkies, how was zecha's departure handled in the media/etc the first time? and how soon did he announce maharesorts?
seems the problem for aman was debt going back to vaturi acquisition, which i dont understand if zecha sold out a few years after starting
http://robbreport.com/Feature-Amans-Man.aspx
amanjunkies, how was zecha's departure handled in the media/etc the first time? and how soon did he announce maharesorts?
May 2, 2014, 7:08 pm
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Nobody could be a more gracious and charming host then Adrian and Bebe Zecha. When they are on property it is them who step aside in the walk way, and give up their chair in the bar if all are occupied. When I first met her she said her husband worked for the company not, " my husband owns it". I hope the new heads of the company behave with the same social skills.
, as are many of Aman property owners ( particularly the older Amans ) & who are ' old money ' too .If these individuals have written anything , the tone of their letters would have been towards other end of spectrum of the PR " announcement " .
Understated and gracious as befits their standing as shown in their manners . If you know & have met them , you will understand what I am referring to .
One can only pray & hope - that it is not ' fat hope ' .
AZ is an octogenarian
So he was hoping for some with similar vision to build on , not only the Aman name ..
May 2, 2014, 8:21 pm
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His point was that they don't go on forums. There is something to that. I know of a few friends whose families are filthy rich (and they're old money, not nouveau riche). They're Amanjunkies and have never been on this forum (and I mean the friends who are around my age, not their families - who are even less likely to have been on here).
May 3, 2014, 12:29 am
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You said, there are other "groups". What are they?
With all due respect, of all the people I personally know who have stayed at Aman resorts none of them have ever heard of Flyertalk, but they don't hear about Aman from other "groups." They get their information via word of mouth, from travel agents, personal agents and from publications like Robb Report.
Not too overemphasize the importance of this forum, but I'm not aware of any source which provides better, more up to date or more comprehensive information on Aman and similar properties.
With all due respect, of all the people I personally know who have stayed at Aman resorts none of them have ever heard of Flyertalk, but they don't hear about Aman from other "groups." They get their information via word of mouth, from travel agents, personal agents and from publications like Robb Report.
Not too overemphasize the importance of this forum, but I'm not aware of any source which provides better, more up to date or more comprehensive information on Aman and similar properties.
May 3, 2014, 1:20 am
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Plenty of the group do nowadays. I've seen the internet using habits of three of the names mentioned in this thread and they and their relatives do. While they don't commonly go on forums to figure out their travel plans, they do browse the internet a lot and plenty are OCD about mentions involving them.
While travel forums are not very important to the group it doesn't change a thing. Plenty of Aman customers only have accumulated wealth of under 10 million (US) dollars.
While travel forums are not very important to the group it doesn't change a thing. Plenty of Aman customers only have accumulated wealth of under 10 million (US) dollars.