New Amanresorts, GHM & Ahn Luh Development (2014 Edition)
May 9, 2014, 9:20 pm
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As are Amans outside South-East Asia / Oceania.
One of the reasons why the Amanconcept didn't work anymore IMHO.
lee hing annual reports >
2002-2005 discuss world events impacting travel
2003-2007 discuss the Note (2006 page 46)
2004 pages 43-45 detailed silverlink finances for 2004/2003
2005 pages 62-63 detailed silverlink finances for 2005/2004
2006 pages 56-57 detailed silverlink finances for 2006/2005
(operating expense breakdown plus tax and sizable interest)
2007-2008 seem to include how they accounted for sale
sources >
http://www.scmp.com/article/328749/l...ys-hotel-chain
http://quotes.morningstar.com/stock/s?t=XHKG%3a00068
http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-f...2e0b47ce9a3b0f
http://www.irasia.com/listco/hk/leehing/
sale - http://202.66.146.82/listco/hk/leehi...nt/a071128.doc
http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-f...ca6d7342d3173d
the Note >
2 new pulo villas https://maps.google.com/maps?q=pamal...gl=us&t=h&z=19
new nusa villas? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Amanu...h&z=18&iwloc=A
2002-2005 discuss world events impacting travel
2003-2007 discuss the Note (2006 page 46)
2004 pages 43-45 detailed silverlink finances for 2004/2003
2005 pages 62-63 detailed silverlink finances for 2005/2004
2006 pages 56-57 detailed silverlink finances for 2006/2005
(operating expense breakdown plus tax and sizable interest)
2007-2008 seem to include how they accounted for sale
sources >
http://www.scmp.com/article/328749/l...ys-hotel-chain
http://quotes.morningstar.com/stock/s?t=XHKG%3a00068
http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-f...2e0b47ce9a3b0f
http://www.irasia.com/listco/hk/leehing/
sale - http://202.66.146.82/listco/hk/leehi...nt/a071128.doc
http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-f...ca6d7342d3173d
the Note >
2 new pulo villas https://maps.google.com/maps?q=pamal...gl=us&t=h&z=19
new nusa villas? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Amanu...h&z=18&iwloc=A
May 10, 2014, 9:11 am
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Not that I've been, but surely the Amans in USA are very highly thought of? Venice seems to have gained quite a good reputation too. Then there's the Amans in India (unless you're counting that as part of Southeast Asia) - Amanbagh in particular seems to have a great reputation.
May 10, 2014, 12:00 pm
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Where are the Amans in Oceania?
Not that I've been, but surely the Amans in USA are very highly thought of? Venice seems to have gained quite a good reputation too. Then there's the Amans in India (unless you're counting that as part of Southeast Asia) - Amanbagh in particular seems to have a great reputation.
Not that I've been, but surely the Amans in USA are very highly thought of? Venice seems to have gained quite a good reputation too. Then there's the Amans in India (unless you're counting that as part of Southeast Asia) - Amanbagh in particular seems to have a great reputation.
India -> Aman in Delhi (as in other city locations, incl. Melezins) was the wrong way IMHO
USA -> Giri looks good (with a sense of place !) but can't be good enough to make me suffer through US immigration and stuff
ROW -> Hacienda San Antonio (building) didn't fit to Aman, Jena doesn't fit the place (minimal vs. oriental), Sveti Stefan and Rüya are definitely in non-Aman spirited locations (I know both well), and I suppose the same for Zoe
=> Looks pretty "hit and miss" to me!
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May 10, 2014, 7:46 pm
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So of your 'miss' locations, two are no longer managed by Aman, and one you admit looks good.
What about Amangani and Venice?
What about Amangani and Venice?
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May 10, 2014, 8:06 pm
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searching, reading, posting aman finances over the years. there has not really been any discussion of details. there are probably some posters here who are aware of proprietary information, but they are not able to post it.
would have been interesting to see what aman had planned for site prior to DLF
zoe is pretty isolated, moreso than gani (gani has adjacent resort/residences)
city >
can venice history be compared to galla?
what furniture brands are desired in venice?
(re city, beijing is located at summer palace)
interesting nusa dua history http://btdc.co.id/bali http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/indon...-about-us.html
(future plans were known when amanusa was built)
would have been interesting to see what aman had planned for site prior to DLF
zoe is pretty isolated, moreso than gani (gani has adjacent resort/residences)
city >
can venice history be compared to galla?
what furniture brands are desired in venice?
(re city, beijing is located at summer palace)
interesting nusa dua history http://btdc.co.id/bali http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/indon...-about-us.html
(future plans were known when amanusa was built)
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May 10, 2014, 10:31 pm
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Gani is a domestic product. Can't see many people going to Gani from overseas just because it's an Aman.
Aman Venice interior design is cultural rape. Zero appeal to me. In Venice I want Venetian opulence, like Cipriani or Gritti. Not B&B cool. Also: an Aman without a pool?
In Beijing at least that mistake of "local disconnect" was not made. But there is a bit of a conference / congress touch there IIRC.
May 10, 2014, 10:38 pm
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interesting nusa dua history http://btdc.co.id/bali http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/indon...-about-us.html
May 10, 2014, 10:52 pm
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Also: there was the notion that Aman would have been sooooo profitable, IF, just IF interest payments hadn't been so high.
Isn't that like Pepsi complaining IF, just IF water hadn't been so expensive we would have beaten Coke, ... or an army complaining IF, just IF weapons hadn't been so costly we would have won the war
Isn't that like Pepsi complaining IF, just IF water hadn't been so expensive we would have beaten Coke, ... or an army complaining IF, just IF weapons hadn't been so costly we would have won the war
May 10, 2014, 11:01 pm
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again, vaturi's debt/leverage. might all go back to it. not sure if lee hing added to aman before debt passed to DLF. looking at financials, there were also losses before debt. and aman raised funds (why so much?) via not just loans but convertible bonds. they never separated hotel ownership from management. never enough votes?
DLF brought it under one owner. it may now be back to multiple equity holders.
DLF brought it under one owner. it may now be back to multiple equity holders.
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May 11, 2014, 5:33 am
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May 11, 2014, 5:28 pm
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searching, reading, posting aman finances over the years. there has not really been any discussion of details. there are probably some posters here who are aware of proprietary information, but they are not able to post it.
zoe is pretty isolated, moreso than gani
For Gani , there ' re the parks Yellowstone , Grand Tetons
can venice history be compared to galla?
what furniture brands are desired in venice?
(re city, beijing is located at summer palace)
Yes history , but of course , each Aman is unique
Use of local materials is a key to Aman ' s style so furniture is included , thence B & B ?
Aman SP has an Aman Club . Were testing this as an exclusive club for city Amans for locals
interesting nusa dua history http://btdc.co.id/bali http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/indon...-about-us.html
(future plans were known when amanusa was built)
zoe is pretty isolated, moreso than gani
For Gani , there ' re the parks Yellowstone , Grand Tetons
can venice history be compared to galla?
what furniture brands are desired in venice?
(re city, beijing is located at summer palace)
Yes history , but of course , each Aman is unique
Use of local materials is a key to Aman ' s style so furniture is included , thence B & B ?
Aman SP has an Aman Club . Were testing this as an exclusive club for city Amans for locals
interesting nusa dua history http://btdc.co.id/bali http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/indon...-about-us.html
(future plans were known when amanusa was built)
Although service styles were different in various Amans , the essence of
Aman ' s standards are usually ' gotten ' by newer properties with staff exchanges e . g . Yara , Taka , ..
Of course , takes / took longer at some like Gani , Yara
Like Jena too
Heartening to know that even Ruya & Pulo had team members over at N'oi , some still there to assist with the opening
( some replies within quote )
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May 11, 2014, 9:55 pm
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hmm if aman tokyo has club no way will it be empty like beijing
will be interesting to see what facilities and whether club
aman kyoto >
according to the article Aman Kyoto is scheduled to open September 2015
21 rooms and the total resort area is 25,000 square meters [6 acres]
google translate >
http://luxuryhotel.jp/tag/アマンリゾーツ
http://luxuryhotel.jp/131126-amanres...yoto-open.html
kerry hlll design - very bottom >
http://www.kyotokanko.com/e/osusume/daitokuji.html
that site may be saying this location? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=takag...re,+Japan&z=19 seems like it could be 6 acres
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chedi hokkaido >
http://luxuryhotel.jp/130812-tomakomai-aman-chedi.html
http://wmt-hokkaido.jp/en/
http://wmt-hokkaido.jp/en/images/con...project_en.pdf
japanese book about aman/zecha released 2013/4/12 >
http://luxuryhotel.jp/131028-aman-legend-book.html
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...-22/ref=nosim/
(with those two aman names also mentioned in amazon reviews)
http://www.dolphinci.com/downloads/f...r13_review.pdf apr 25 2014 >
amankea still in architectural design stage
amanmila - seems they bought the land in 2006 then sold it in 2009
will be interesting to see what facilities and whether club
aman kyoto >
21 rooms and the total resort area is 25,000 square meters [6 acres]
http://luxuryhotel.jp/tag/アマンリゾーツ
http://luxuryhotel.jp/131126-amanres...yoto-open.html
May 2014 start of construction
4 buildings are low-rise accommodation
6 buildings buildings such as restaurants and lounges
floor area 3400 square meters
4 buildings are low-rise accommodation
6 buildings buildings such as restaurants and lounges
floor area 3400 square meters
it is on the backside of this street that Aman Resports is building their Kyoto location
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chedi hokkaido >
http://luxuryhotel.jp/130812-tomakomai-aman-chedi.html
http://wmt-hokkaido.jp/en/
http://wmt-hokkaido.jp/en/images/con...project_en.pdf
japanese book about aman/zecha released 2013/4/12 >
http://luxuryhotel.jp/131028-aman-legend-book.html
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...-22/ref=nosim/
Atami Amantami
Chiba Amanumi
Okayama
Chiba Amanumi
Okayama
http://www.dolphinci.com/downloads/f...r13_review.pdf apr 25 2014 >
The construction of the four new hotel beach pavilions, adjacent to the Amanzoe Beach Club with direct beach access, is progressing on time and on budget. The pavilions will be operational in time for the 2014 season
The construction contract for the [playa grande] Aman pavilions, the main resort lobby and the service buildings has been awarded to local contractors, and vertical construction has been initiated with a view to completing the Aman Resort by mid-2015.
The construction contract for the [playa grande] Aman pavilions, the main resort lobby and the service buildings has been awarded to local contractors, and vertical construction has been initiated with a view to completing the Aman Resort by mid-2015.
amanmila - seems they bought the land in 2006 then sold it in 2009
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May 12, 2014, 3:34 am
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I, and almost everyone I personally know, would find Venetian opulence vulgar. I don't think Venetian opulence is what one would expect upon checking into an Aman?
May 12, 2014, 4:26 am
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When staying in a Venetian Palazzo I certainly wouldn't expect to find B&B Italia which from all the photos I've seen sticks out as being totally incongruous with the opulent surroundings. My sister has B&B sofas in her sitting room (very uncomfortable to sit on for anything more than 5 minutes BTW) but then she does have an ultra modern house and the furniture does fit in. I think they should have commissioned some local furniture makers to custom build seating etc sympathetic to the rest of the Palazzo.