jasonvr

Same answer as the last time you asked. It's not in the first post, so no

shadabing

No answer needed... Just a comment. We're ending our Europe trip soon and I KNOW we won't get the new 747 from fra to lax but I'm totally cool with that. We even loved the den to fra experience in old style A346. Nice! So for all those worry warts lamenting about the retrofit... relax... it's still Lufthansa and not US Air and it's amazing.

Pseudo Nim

Not to be rude, but what part of "please look at the first post in this thread" do you not understand? there is a list of all 747s with new F clearly listed!!

Pseudo Nim

That is very true indeed

covalin

That's right. Last month I was booked from FRA to SIN on LH in F. The original booking was done in November 2011. The aircraft on booking time was the A380. In February LH changes from A380 to B74P. As I entered the aircraft in April, it was a B744 (old first). The pusrer told me, the aircraft changed from 74P to 744 at the day of departure. Bad luck, but the flight was nice.

Remeber always: Do not panic!

NewbieRunner

Welcome to FT, covalin!

Pseudo Nim

Indeed! Bit of a rough start it seems for him but that means the only way from here is upwards

SASDC8

A little bit off topic I know, but curiosity got the better of me:

From post no. 1 is this thread, and checking registrations on flightradar24.com it seems that HKG almost never get a aircraft (744 from FRA and 346 from MUC) with new F.

Is HKG not a prioity destination for LH, as I assume that LH puts the new product on their most important routes first?

Cheers
Stein

NewbieRunner

Without checking in great detail LH738 seems to have been operated by one of the retrofitted 744s about 40% of the time recently, so HKG has been getting its fair share. I agree that HKG is not one of the designated destinations for retrofitted A340s ex-MUC.

Pseudo Nim

I find there's sometimes very little logic to LH prioritisation (at least from my uninformed standpoint). Whereas SIN, unsurprisingly, got new F 744s when the 380 was canned (at least most of the time), I can't fathom why HKG would get it 40% whilst KIX gets it 95%. Very peculiar. At least JFK is starting to see it more often - even JFK was lacking in new F sightings!!

hamallu

There actually may be logic behind the lack of 74P deployment to HKG that most will never be able think of.

It is actually a safety related issue. The thing with flying to HKG is that the route taken crosses the Himalayas and due to the greatly increased minimum safe altitude (MSA), aircraft are required to have extra oxygen tanks fitted in order to supply supplemental oxygen for a prolonged period in the event of a decompression as pilots will not be able to dive down to at least FL140 where the air is dense enough for most passengers to breath without the help of emergency oxygen.

Therefore, those aircraft flying over such high terrain would need the addition of extra oxygen cylinders fitted and not all aircraft in the fleet have this installed and then to add that, the number that have both the extra cylinders as well as the new F is most probably less than the 10 retrofitted aircraft and lastly add in scheduling constraints and you'll see why HKG may not be getting new F 100% of the time.

SASDC8

My point exactly. LH needs a consistent F product on their HKG flights, considering the F-product CX has on the same route.

I even thought HKG would be a 380 or 74H destination. Perhaps in due time

NewbieRunner

Thanks for sharing the interesting insight. ^

Pseudo Nim

hmm. This is really interesting, thanks for sharing this. So really, this has nothing to do with the F retrofit so much as it does with oxygen cylinder retrofit - and you're saying that a completely unrelated process?

hamallu

No no, there is no retrofit programme for the extra O2 cylinders. They came with them installed from Boeing. What I mean is not the entire fleet have these extra cylinders as they are not needed on all routes and only a certain number of aircraft have them. So when you have a subfleet of x number of planes capable of flying over high terrain and add to that New F retrofitted too, then you have a number smaller than x.