Jun 2, 2015, 1:43 pm
New First class retrofit thread
May 7, 2012, 9:48 am
#241
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No no, there is no retrofit programme for the extra O2 cylinders. They came with them installed from Boeing. What I mean is not the entire fleet have these extra cylinders as they are not needed on all routes and only a certain number of aircraft have them. So when you have a subfleet of x number of planes capable of flying over high terrain and add to that New F retrofitted too, then you have a number smaller than x.
Quite interesting. Thanks
May 7, 2012, 1:15 pm
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No no, there is no retrofit programme for the extra O2 cylinders. They came with them installed from Boeing. What I mean is not the entire fleet have these extra cylinders as they are not needed on all routes and only a certain number of aircraft have them. So when you have a subfleet of x number of planes capable of flying over high terrain and add to that New F retrofitted too, then you have a number smaller than x.
One question comes to mind: do you know if the 380 and 747-800 have does extra O2 cylinders, or maybe they don`t need them?
Cheers
May 7, 2012, 2:17 pm
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There actually may be logic behind the lack of 74P deployment to HKG that most will never be able think of.
It is actually a safety related issue. The thing with flying to HKG is that the route taken crosses the Himalayas and due to the greatly increased minimum safe altitude (MSA), aircraft are required to have extra oxygen tanks fitted in order to supply supplemental oxygen for a prolonged period in the event of a decompression as pilots will not be able to dive down to at least FL140 where the air is dense enough for most passengers to breath without the help of emergency oxygen.
Therefore, those aircraft flying over such high terrain would need the addition of extra oxygen cylinders fitted and not all aircraft in the fleet have this installed and then to add that, the number that have both the extra cylinders as well as the new F is most probably less than the 10 retrofitted aircraft and lastly add in scheduling constraints and you'll see why HKG may not be getting new F 100% of the time.
It is actually a safety related issue. The thing with flying to HKG is that the route taken crosses the Himalayas and due to the greatly increased minimum safe altitude (MSA), aircraft are required to have extra oxygen tanks fitted in order to supply supplemental oxygen for a prolonged period in the event of a decompression as pilots will not be able to dive down to at least FL140 where the air is dense enough for most passengers to breath without the help of emergency oxygen.
Therefore, those aircraft flying over such high terrain would need the addition of extra oxygen cylinders fitted and not all aircraft in the fleet have this installed and then to add that, the number that have both the extra cylinders as well as the new F is most probably less than the 10 retrofitted aircraft and lastly add in scheduling constraints and you'll see why HKG may not be getting new F 100% of the time.
http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/pag...-04-10-01.aspx
May 7, 2012, 3:32 pm
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It looks like I may be using miles to get my son here from OSL in July and the outbound will be in F, since there's a saver award for that but not for C. The TATL portion is DUS-ORD on a Airbus A340-300. I'm gathering from what I've read here that they haven't yet gotten to these for upgrade -- is that correct?
What is the old F like in these planes? I've never flown F on Lufthansa, so I don't have a clue.
Thanks for any info you may have.
What is the old F like in these planes? I've never flown F on Lufthansa, so I don't have a clue.
Thanks for any info you may have.
May 7, 2012, 4:20 pm
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It looks like I may be using miles to get my son here from OSL in July and the outbound will be in F, since there's a saver award for that but not for C. The TATL portion is DUS-ORD on a Airbus A340-300. I'm gathering from what I've read here that they haven't yet gotten to these for upgrade -- is that correct?
What is the old F like in these planes? I've never flown F on Lufthansa, so I don't have a clue.
Thanks for any info you may have.
What is the old F like in these planes? I've never flown F on Lufthansa, so I don't have a clue.
Thanks for any info you may have.
(unlike the new F seat, which is a bit of an experience in itself)
May 8, 2012, 11:17 pm
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Looking for a sanity check here. If I were to fly in F on a 747 in August LAX-FRA, I could be looking at 3 different cabin possibilities:
- Old F with 16 seats, but each passenger gets 2 seats so they can use one as a bed
- Newer F where there are 8 seats and each seat also has a dedicated bed by the window
- Newest F if the route is served by the 748 by then
May 9, 2012, 12:32 am
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Looking for a sanity check here. If I were to fly in F on a 747 in August LAX-FRA, I could be looking at 3 different cabin possibilities:
- Old F with 16 seats, but each passenger gets 2 seats so they can use one as a bed
- Newer F where there are 8 seats and each seat also has a dedicated bed by the window
- Newest F if the route is served by the 748 by then
May 9, 2012, 9:23 am
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May 13, 2012, 8:37 pm
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Looking for a sanity check here. If I were to fly in F on a 747 in August LAX-FRA, I could be looking at 3 different cabin possibilities:
- Old F with 16 seats, but each passenger gets 2 seats so they can use one as a bed
- Newer F where there are 8 seats and each seat also has a dedicated bed by the window
- Newest F if the route is served by the 748 by then
May 13, 2012, 9:41 pm
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Yeah kinda figured that. And it also looks like it is very rare for the newer F with seat+bed to come to LAX (even with twice daily 747 service), so it is a fair certainty it will be the 16 seat version.
May 14, 2012, 3:43 am
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The 'aging' 744s and 343 will get no new F after 6 744s get refitted this year. They will either retire or be converted to two class aircraft.
The rest of the fleet is hardly 'aging': http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm
The A333 and 346 will all get F refits over the next two years.
The rest of the fleet is hardly 'aging': http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm
The A333 and 346 will all get F refits over the next two years.
May 15, 2012, 8:36 am
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Refurbisment in the A 340
Does anyone know were to find information as to the progress of the refurbishment of F and C on the A 340's? I believe the JNB route has these planes. Is there any other routes which are more or less flown with the refurbished planes?
May 15, 2012, 8:59 am
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